# Beta-Androstenol : Turf wars. **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 3, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547 "2009-06-03T22:32:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/1 "2009-06-03T22:32:34Z")
Hmm, Well I decided to try straight beta-androstenol. Mostly because I like instant honesty a lot and quite a few people have posted is that its one of the ingredients in IH. Well I’m not sure exactly what the other ingredients are in IH but I’m eyeballing this little blue bottle with much trepidation after quite a few tests that led me to being so irritable my boyfriend has officially stated that IF I’m going to use that one again I can sleep in the car. I tried it on him as well to see if the reaction was just when I wear it. Basically I just get downright hostile. Weird reaction. I love IH but beta-nol seems to just put me in that its time to chew bubble gum or kick ass and I’m all out of gum kinda mood. Dosage 2.5 mcg. I tried it up to 3 sprays but started with one. The only time I haven’t had this reaction to it was when I let one of our guy friends try it. Early 20s black male 6’4" ish. So I’m guessing this is either a steerage issue or simply an odd reaction due to combination with natural [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) or a neurochemical spazz. Beta-androstenol straight in short makes me aggressive hyperterritorial and seriously bitchy ala instant dominatrix.My personal need for space increases to about six feet from my normal lack of a need for space.😕 I’m guessing this isn’t a typical reaction but I figured I’d post it anyway because well I’m not going to post based on what I think a phero should do but what it does with me. Also notable to mention is that I seem to be the only one affected by the beta-androstenol in this manner from my circle of friends. So please don’t let my personal results steer you away from trying this product. Application points I tried were back of neck ,bosom, wrists and back. Friends tried wrists and were fine.( most of my friends are male. ) Boyfriend ended up with me wanting to kick his ass. O.o but beyond that had no negative reactions himself. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/2 "2009-06-03T22:45:45Z")
Heya ElectraC! I’ve seen this sort of Beta-nol reaction before. Heck, I’ve HAD this sort of straight bnol action before! Did you spray it around your nose/chest area? (You know, the areas closer to the nose, more apt to cause self effect) I ask, 'cause you might be inadvertently whiffing the exact dosage of bnol that unlocks some of your inner, unfettered feelings. You might be tuning into your deeper self, even at a 7.5 mcg dosage… and your inner self says, “get outta my way, people!!” I’ve had past clients buy INSANEY INSANE dosages of betanol, for the intense, inner self effect. One person who comes to mind was a hyperspiritual yogi-type, who reached new planes of consciousness with a mega-ultra-faint-at-the-mention dose of beta nol. I can’t remember the exact number, but it was well over a 100 mcg dose. Different plane of consciousness!! Wow. The inner mind is crazier than the outer. ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/3 "2009-06-03T23:03:27Z")
Actually I have tried it on my chest which got a whoa! Hmm, maybe I better try this somewhere else reaction. I generally avoid strife as much as possible grew up with my parents fighting a lot so I don’t like arguing not one bit! The friend that tried wearing it around me that I had no negative reactions to is one of the people I’m always happy to see in my friends circles.I’m not surprised that the day my boyfriend wore it I wanted to kick his butt lol its just generally when he rubs me wrong I shrug it off and go about my buisness. I think you hit the nail on the head with the deeper self idea. I can see how someone could use bnol to peel away the layers to help work through and sort feelings they aren’t facing more directly. Quick question are there any other putatives or experimones you’d like me to try?I’m intending on placing an order pretty soon and I’m always happy to investigate new things. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/4 "2009-06-04T00:34:15Z")
Have you noticed any tolerance developing? Just curious. I have a little bottle of Betanol that is my ‘prime’ source for blending down: 600 mcg/spray. (Even a little “spill” could become a Hazmat situation, lol.) Just opening the bottle inevitably bumps my train of thought … could be a coincidence, of course, you know what you know, you feel what you feel. But I try to avoid opening that bottle more than once a month. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/5 "2009-06-04T01:00:40Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > Actually I have tried it on my chest which got a whoa! Hmm, maybe I better try this somewhere else reaction. I generally avoid strife as much as possible grew up with my parents fighting a lot so I don’t like arguing not one bit! > > The friend that tried wearing it around me that I had no negative reactions to is one of the people I’m always happy to see in my friends circles.I’m not surprised that the day my boyfriend wore it I wanted to kick his butt lol its just generally when he rubs me wrong I shrug it off and go about my buisness. > > I think you hit the nail on the head with the deeper self idea. > I can see how someone could use bnol to peel away the layers to help work through and sort feelings they aren’t facing more directly. > > Quick question are there any other putatives or experimones you’d like me to try?I’m intending on placing an order pretty soon and I’m always happy to investigate new things. Dude, even though I’ve been here almost the longest, I’m quite a bashful noob with some of the putatives we have around here. I would turn my head in the direction of diane999, sillykitty, and some of the other experimental guru-goddesses around here. @MarkL: Holy cajones! 600mcg/spray! Hazmat indeed!! ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/6 "2009-06-04T13:36:15Z")
Good to see you posting again Jasmin! > [@ElectraComplex](#): > > Quick question are there any other putatives or experimones you’d like me to try?I’m intending on placing an order pretty soon and I’m always happy to investigate new things. ElectraComplex, I would be interested in hearing a ‘compare and contrast’ of the P79 / P90 combo to Beta-Nol to IH. I will post more about P79 + P90 soon (in more detail) but from what I’ve seen there is a similar kind of ‘say what’s on your mind’/compulsive sharing aspect of this combo to what I have gotten from IH. Probably less deep rapport and emotional intensity though to IH but perhaps more ‘exciting’, ‘fun’, ‘opinionated’ and ‘attitudey’. The P79 definitely has communication-enhancing properties to it (often in terms of people wanting to make their points, sometimes this comes out quite abruptly). P90 doesn’t seem to do all that much for me in other combos but P79 seems to bring its effects out more clearly. 10 mcg of P90 and 12.5 mcg of P79 seems to be enough for noticeable effects too. I know the user examine was often posting about using [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) + P79 + P90 in the past (indeed his favourite two putatives were P79 and P90)… ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/7 "2009-06-05T06:04:36Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Heya ElectraC! > > I’ve seen this sort of Beta-nol reaction before. Heck, I’ve HAD this sort of straight bnol action before! > > Did you spray it around your nose/chest area? (You know, the areas closer to the nose, more apt to cause self effect) I ask, 'cause you might be inadvertently whiffing the exact dosage of bnol that unlocks some of your inner, unfettered feelings. You might be tuning into your deeper self, even at a 7.5 mcg dosage… and your inner self says, “get outta my way, people!!” > > I’ve had past clients buy INSANEY INSANE dosages of betanol, for the intense, inner self effect. One person who comes to mind was a hyperspiritual yogi-type, who reached new planes of consciousness with a mega-ultra-faint-at-the-mention dose of beta nol. I can’t remember the exact number, but it was well over a 100 mcg dose. Different plane of consciousness!! Wow. The inner mind is crazier than the outer. I use 100.0 + mcg Beta Androstenol on a regular basis. For me the high doses makes me feel ultra connected to the universe, protected, and at peace. My husband gets a good reaction from it too. He cuddles more, and is more at ease. Both of us are normally hyper aware types of individuals, and this molecule lets us relax into the whole, losing some of our intense individuality. For us, Beta Androstenol has a kind of ego-balm action. It sounds almost like Electra gets an opposite reaction. How are you normally, Electra? Diane ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 6:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/8 "2009-06-05T06:21:26Z")
Lol normally I’m a bit like you guys on the beta-androstenol its hard for me to get really irritated in general trouble holding grudges and the like although i do get frustrated. I’ve been accused of being crazy nice and a bit of a hippy.I also have a generally goofy fun loving personality although I’m introverted around strangers. I tend to see the best in people despite their actions sometimes and I’m definately an idealist. With my boyfriend though theres a lot of repressed issues and with my life in general I’m fairly frustrated. I’ve lost two jobs for being too honest with customers and too helpful. I care on the whole and in general about people and have a hard time killing a roach in my kitchen. I’m pretty sure a fair amount of bugs got stomped on my beta days and my boyfriend got a pretty piece of my mind. the friend I’m always good around well I think he got spanked but it was playful and we were the same friend type we always are. I was super cuddly towards my girlfriend no suprise there either although a bit more reserved emotionally than usual. For me its sort of a Dr. Jeckle/Ms. Hyde reaction. I’m polar opposite of my norm. And my boyfriend who is generally a femme repressed boy acted more hmm manly while wearing it.Which as an afterthought is kinda sexy on it own terms. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 8:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/9 "2009-06-05T08:42:58Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > Lol normally I’m a bit like you guys on the beta-androstenol its hard for me to get really irritated in general trouble holding grudges and the like although i do get frustrated. I’ve been accused of being crazy nice and a bit of a hippy.I also have a generally goofy fun loving personality although I’m introverted around strangers. > > I tend to see the best in people despite their actions sometimes and I’m definately an idealist. > > With my boyfriend though theres a lot of repressed issues and with my life in general I’m fairly frustrated. I’ve lost two jobs for being too honest with customers and too helpful. I care on the whole and in general about people and have a hard time killing a roach in my kitchen. > > I’m pretty sure a fair amount of bugs got stomped on my beta days and my boyfriend got a pretty piece of my mind. the friend I’m always good around well I think he got spanked but it was playful and we were the same friend type we always are. > > I was super cuddly towards my girlfriend no suprise there either although a bit more reserved emotionally than usual. > > For me its sort of a Dr. Jeckle/Ms. Hyde reaction. I’m polar opposite of my norm. > > And my boyfriend who is generally a femme repressed boy acted more hmm manly while wearing it.Which as an afterthought is kinda sexy on it own terms. Well that is helpful information! So, maybe you are fighting Beta Androstenol’s tendencies to bring things out in the open and that is translating into aggression. Maybe if you layered this with a physical harmonizer like P91 it might help you to be positive about addressing the issues you keep under the rug. I’d stay away from mental type harmonizers like [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) because with a physical reaction like aggression, they don’t seem to help much. I’d try these starting out in a really low dose. P91 is effective at less than 5.0 mcg. So, maybe I’d do something like this: Day 1 & 2 - 5.0 mcg P91, wait 10 minutes, then apply 5.0 mcg Beta Androstenol-and note your reactions over time, and with your boyfriend. Day 3 - apply less P91, same amount of Betanol Day 4 - apply more P91, same amount of Betanol Day 5 - apply same amount of P91 as day 1 & 2, less Betanol Day 6 - apply same amount of P91 as day 1 & 2, more Betanol etc… so over time you see what effect the harmonizer has on your ease of communication and see if that will allow the betanol to work in the correct way… or not. That is if you really do want to resolve the issues? I think you do and that is why you are interested in Beta Androstenol. But also, is your boyfriend ready to have your issues aired and resolved? Maybe you are protecting the relationship at the cost of the issues being unresolved? And do you think you are ready to confront issues head on? It seems that maybe your “niceness” is getting in the way of you being truly powerful and effective. Maybe there could be a way for you to still stay caring and loving, and yet be able to be hard when you need to be and soft when it is more appropriate. So maybe on day, say 8, you could add a very small amount of P80 (like 2.5 mcg!) after you get comfortable physically just communicating, to give you a little more personal power feeling. What do you think? Diane ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/10 "2009-06-06T03:12:36Z")
Diane, I like your testing ideas and I’ll try ordering some p91 and p80 to try with the bnol later on. We are working through our issues slowly most of them are in the past and are simply things that will take time to get over. Broken trust and insecurities on both sides. I think the bnol brings out aggression for me because my personality is a bit muted and passive aggressive. I’m not sure how to be my loving self and be hard when I need to like you were mentioning. For me the empathy is simply too much to bear even in people I don’t like so something that chilled me a little bit may be helpful. For this reason on bad days I like using ammo. I’ve found for some reason in self use I tend to feel a bit more confident and less sensitive. I have managed to calm my bnol reaction down by using ammo on my chest. I tried instant jerk and gentleman but I don’t have the same reaction. I appreciate the feedback very much and will keep the putatives in mind for subsequent orders. I actually just ordered p74 so we’ll see if you’re spot on about the reaction but I always do my best to enter testing with no expectations. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beta-androstenol-turf-wars/29547/11 "2009-06-06T04:30:28Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > Diane, > > I like your testing ideas and I’ll try ordering some p91 and p80 to try with the bnol later on. > > We are working through our issues slowly most of them are in the past and are simply things that will take time to get over. Broken trust and insecurities on both sides. > > I think the bnol brings out aggression for me because my personality is a bit muted and passive aggressive. > I’m not sure how to be my loving self and be hard when I need to like you were mentioning. > For me the empathy is simply too much to bear even in people I don’t like so something that chilled me a little bit may be helpful. > > For this reason on bad days I like using ammo. I’ve found for some reason in self use I tend to feel a bit more confident and less sensitive. I have managed to calm my bnol reaction down by using ammo on my chest. > > I tried instant jerk and gentleman but I don’t have the same reaction. > > I appreciate the feedback very much and will keep the putatives in mind for subsequent orders. > > I actually just ordered p74 so we’ll see if you’re spot on about the reaction but I always do my best to enter testing with no expectations. That is awesome! Sounds like you are on quite a journey of self discover. I’m cheering you on. 🙂 It sounds like you are and Androsterone kinda girl, like me and Lor, since you have such a positive reaction to Ammo. Down the line straight Androsterone might be something you’ll like playing with. Being overly loving and passive aggressive often go hand in hand. It is your attempt to balance things out. I have first hand experience in working out that conundrum and believe me I understand the knots it can get you into, and how hard it is when you have learned this mode of operation as a child, to claim your God-given _right_ to your own personal power. Sometimes it can be impossible to do what is right even though you know that to do otherwise would be terribly wrong. Sacrificing personal happiness for harmony, suffering to keep the peace, watching injustice being done to you and feeling helpless to make it right, and always carrying the broken heart of an innocent child, weighed down by the unearned guilt you carry for everyone else… I understand all those things very well. Having been there I know you can come into a more powerful you, if you keep the faith. And pheromones certainly can help you in the journey. 🙂 Diane