# Betanol vs. Alphanol: An Alternative View **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 9, 2007, 10:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/betanol-vs-alphanol-an-alternative-view/7242 "2007-12-09T10:27:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 3
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 12:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/betanol-vs-alphanol-an-alternative-view/7242/3 "2007-12-09T12:03:14Z")
> [@TRDE59](#): > > As many of you may know, drugs, just like pheromones, often have different isomers. Ibuprofen, for example, has two isomers, but the cheapest way of making ibuprofen is creating it and leaving both isomers together. One isomer is the active isomer, while one isomer is totally inactive. So, basically, only half of your ibuprofen is really working. It’s cheap, though, so it really doesn’t matter if you have to take more. > > Amphetamines (such as adderall) are another example. Dextro-amphetamine creates the effect you want (energy & concentration) but levo-amphetamine, unlike the other isomer in ibuprofen, IS active in your body. Levo amphetamine raises your levels of dopamine (for pleasure and concentration) in a lower ratio vs. norepinephrine (for energy). The result is agitation/anxiety, since energy is increased disproportionately to focus and pleasure. The dextro isomer effects them in a more proportionate way, causing you to have energy AND concentration/good mood. > > Because of this, the dextro isomer is the “good” isomer, and it’s the one we want to have. > > The point of all that is this: rarely does a drug have two isomers that are both “good,” just with different effects. Usually one is more ideal, while the other one sucks. I’m wondering if the androstenols are the same way. > > Most people think alpha Androstenol encourages quantity of conversation, while beta Androstenol encourages quality. My experience begs to differ. In my phero escapades, I’ve noticed just as much increased conversation (or more so) with instant honesty than I have in either spaceland or scent of eros. I’m wondering if betanol is really the more ideal isomer here overall. Alphanol might be able to increase conversation, but it doesn’t increase conversation depth. Betanol facilitates conversation, in my experience, equal to or better than alphanol, with the added depth (sometimes) that alphanol fails to deliver. > > I think the reason betanol increases conversation depth is cause, in general, it’s just a more effective molecule overall. **Betanol makes people feel more comfortable around you than alphanol does.** Alphanol will just give you a buzz, and increased conversation is just a side effect. Yea cool thread here TRDE! You may be right that Betanol makes people more comfortable around you than Alphanol in a mcg to mcg comparison between the two molecules however: - Alpha-Nol is better at creating a ‘fun’ vibe (for example I have noticed that whenever I leave out AlphaNol from a mix I am likely to receive less invites to social events); - Alpha-Nol is a key ingredient in both George Dodd’s and James V. Kohl’s [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) (these are two established names in the pheromone world) so it must be a damn useful pheromone; - it is pretty well known that Alpha-Nol boosts people’s moods and Beta-Nol doesn’t; and - Alpha-Nol might be better than Beta-Nol as an aid for attraction purposes although it might not matter so much for a stud like MarkL 😛 (for example see the posts from MHarris pasted in below). **So it is a tradeoff I do believe. No doubt Beta-Nol is amazing at helping to build rapport, making people feel comfortable around the wearer, and getting people to spill secrets. But for good times, friendships made of fun, sillyness without the alcohol, laughs, smiles and elation, Alpha-Nol still rules the roost…** [Sexual hits with nols: does heavy Anol from IO or IH dull TUTH's Anone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sexual-hits-with-nols/138/3) ([Sexual hits with nols: does heavy Anol from IO or IH dull TUTH's Anone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sexual-hits-with-nols/138/3)) MHarris (February 13, 2006): “…Remember, people actually _see you differently_ depending on the pheromones you wear. Their minds accentuate different characteristics of yours depending upon the " **pheromonal feel" you’re putting out there.** **Lots of** Alpha Androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/))\*\*\*\* will help you to be viewed in a brighter and “softer light”. If you tend to come across a serious, it can be a godsend.\*\* If you’re flamboyant, and women commonly mistake you for gay (like a young PaulyShore), then sure… high Alpha Androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) may not serve you. I tend to wear darker colors, and I think a lot, so I naturally have lots of “thinking expressions”. Those make me look pretty serious. **Lots of alpha androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) actually helps me out a good deal. It carries along with it a fun, “good time” vibe.** **To me, because I have a heavy persona, it’s still somewhat sexual.** **Sure, it’s not scary-sexual,** like the folks like the folks who wear leather mask that want to flail you until you have a near death experience… **but fun & light still has a sexual element to it.** **Reframe it as “fun in bed”, and you’ll get what you mean.** You just don’t want to be _too_ fun… Richard Simmons/Pauly Shore type fun is probably far along the “fun-o-meter” (right into flamboyancy) to really be attractive. When they “hookup”, it’s because of the social proof elements of their celebrity.” [Sexual hits with nols: does heavy Anol from IO or IH dull TUTH's Anone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sexual-hits-with-nols/138/4) ([Sexual hits with nols: does heavy Anol from IO or IH dull TUTH's Anone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sexual-hits-with-nols/138/4)) MHarris (February 13, 2006): “… **Right, there’s a strong “play” element to** Alpha Androstenol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)). **It’s actually perfect for meeting people, building comfort and attraction. Good pre-sex.** **Sometimes fun during sex – depends on how intense and serious you like yours sex.** ” [Suggestions for MHarris regarding future putative mones - #5 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-mharris-regarding-future-putative-mones/321/5) ([Suggestions for MHarris regarding future putative mones - #5 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestions-for-mharris-regarding-future-putative-mones/321/5)) MHarris (April 29, 2006): “… **While I don’t call alpha-androstenol a “sexual pheromone”, it is still sexual in this way.** **Even if exposure doesn’t instantly evoke mental pictures of genitalia and ripplying muscles, it’s still has attributes which tie into our attraction triggering system.** \*_Spirited communication & feelings of elation are sexy,_ they are attractive. \*\*\* **So is the sometimes mental “stun” effect of Alpha Androstenol.** **Who do we tend to go mentally blank around, after all?** \ ***People we’re attracted to!** \*\* \*\*The chatty effect, too. Who do women often chat like maniacs around? _ **People they’re attracted to…** ”_ [CTTM 2 and IH](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-ih/517/8) ([CTTM 2 and IH](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-ih/517/8)) MHarris (July 31, 2006): “…Or _any_ single pheromone **Heck, you can read “hit reports” at [basenotes.net](http://basenotes.net), a normal perfume site, for Andron. That came out out over 25 years ago (1981). Besides the fragrance, the only pheromone it contained was Alpha Androstenol. That’s it!** [http://www.basenotes.net/ID26120099.html](http://www.basenotes.net/ID26120099.html) ([http://www.basenotes.net/ID26120099.html](http://www.basenotes.net/ID26120099.html)) “I would give my left \_\_\_ to locate a case of this.” **Again… Alpha Androstenol, my friend. Just friendly ol’ Alpha Androstenol. (if you search around the forums a bit, you can see what I describe as the “blank effect” from Alpha Androstenol, which are brains can sometimes attribute to attraction)** Incidentally, our fragrances are designed for us by the same same fragrance technology development house that developed Andron for Jovan. So we’re actually the closest thing to Andron these days. Just updated with 25 more years of experience.” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/betanol-vs-alphanol-an-alternative-view/7242)._