# Biotech background, interested in a scientific approach **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [December 11, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700 "2011-12-11T04:39:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/1 "2011-12-11T04:39:05Z")
Hey All, As far as demographics are concerned I’m a Caucasian/Mediterranean male in my early 30s. I’m short and balding but otherwise fairly healthy and in good physical shape. I can do 15 pullups, bench 250 lbs, etc. My mile time could still use some work, but that’s an old story. I’d describe myself as a socially competent introvert. I know how to be likable when needed and enjoy being with people, but parties wear me out more quickly than they do other people. I don’t really enjoy the ‘self effects’ from the social mixes, and I tend to be more tired at the end of the day when I wear one. I found the pheromone community fairly recently and I’ve been doing what research I can on the topic. I’ve purchased and tried Ammo (From Androtics) and Glace (From Alpha Dream). I also got a test vial of some new formulation of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) that I tried out. So far, the results from these things have been stronger than I expected. Ammo seems to be capable of eliciting very negative reactions (agressiveness and a worsening of PMS) but also act as a genuine, strong aphrodisaic in the appropriate circumstances, which surprised me. My wife, who typically has no libido, was literally unbuttoning my shirt in front of guests. The social mixes (Glace and IS) are far more subtle and I can’t notice a huge effect till I’ve used them around people for several days. But since I’ve started using them I’ve had several people mention that I was likable, they felt like they knew me for longer than they had, etc. It may be that I’m more likely to hang out with introverts, and the social mixes have a stronger effect on extroverts. I’m going to give some of the social mixes to my wife to use, to see what kinds of reactions she gets. She tends to be pretty unbiased. On that topic, is “Instant Shine for women different than Instant Shine for men? I was hoping to be able to share a bottle…” But that wasn’t clear from the ad copy. I’m interested in both learning to use pheromones in a utilitarian fashion and also understanding them from the perspective of game theory/Chemistry/evolutionary psychology. I’m more than happy to wade through technical information, and I tend to come to trust things by understanding the logic and mechanisms behind how they work, as opposed to marketing hype. I’m that 10% of the population which focuses on “how things work” that is consistently ignored by advertisers. I actually read ingredient labels of the stuff I eat and use. Despite all this and my undergrad degree in Biotech, I admit that I have serious trouble keeping track of the difference between androstadienone, androstenone and androstanone (etc.) But with a little persistance I think I have the background to parse whatever anyone can throw at me. I probably have fewer pheromones wafting from me than evolution intended, both as a person who bathes on a daily basis and also as a vegetarian. I’ve even heard of other vegetarians talking about how animals seemed to view them as less of a threat. It makes sense that since many known pheromones seem to be produced from cholesterol, certain diets might influence people’s pheromone profiles. But this seems easy enough to fix, and sometimes the best canvas is a blank slate, right? I easily OD on all the stuff from Androtics, with a full spray of anything typically being too much for me for 20 minutes or so after application, so I’m reducing my dosage. The Glace seems to be much more diluted, and I don’t really OD even on 6 sprays. So I guess the Androtics stuff is more concentrated, which is both good and bad. I still need to see if the Glace lasts longer (as would be expected from a more dilute silicone based solution.) Of course, there are some downsides to using silicone oil, too. This seems like a fun opportunity to experiment with how inhaling different biologically active molecules affect people. In any case, that’s where I’m at. Best to you all. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/2 "2011-12-11T05:58:05Z")
Glace contains more than 125mcg of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) per spray! It’s a very complex and well-balanced product though. Ammo contains 7.5mcg of pheromones per spray, but is more intimidating/arousing due to the ratio of its ingredients. IME, pheromone response is not necessarily proportional to dosage. In fact, a number of molecules and products exhibit qualitatively different effects at different dosages. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/3 "2011-12-11T05:58:53Z")
Oh, and IS is reportedly the same formula for both genders. ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 6:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/4 "2011-12-11T06:22:27Z")
Much thanks dbot. I’ve noticed you have a fairly rigerous and scientific approach to this topic (in the context of all of us being essentially amatures.) Its appreciated. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/5 "2011-12-14T23:44:27Z")
Welcome to pherotalk Logos! The stickies in the introduction section especially this one is all you pretty much need so you know what to get started on. Enjoy the pheromones and take them one step at a time without overwhelming yourself > [@An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003): > > Welcome to an exciting world of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). By joining our community you have taken a HUGE step in progressing a science that is cutting edge and still in its infancy. This community is globally important in recognizing pheromones, and Neuroinfluence Technology ? and their impact on human communication. There are thousands of posts here and thousands more users. Each one of us, including you, adds a unique dynamic to the community from our individual perspectives, experiences and our research an… Keep us updated so we can assist you along this journey. _ **Your gc was issued!🙂** _ ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/6 "2011-12-15T07:28:35Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > Glace contains more than 125mcg of pheromones per spray! It’s a very complex and well-balanced product though. > > Ammo contains 7.5mcg of pheromones per spray, but is more intimidating/arousing due to the ratio of its ingredients. > > IME, pheromone response is not necessarily proportional to dosage. In fact, a number of molecules and products exhibit qualitatively different effects at different dosages. btw, do you have a source for this? Where does this info come from. (I"m still appreciative for the info. I’d just like to be able to know where to find that kind of information.) ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/7 "2011-12-15T19:47:53Z")
> [@Logos](#): > > btw, do you have a source for this? Where does this info come from. > (I"m still appreciative for the info. I’d just like to be able to know where to find that kind of information.) It’s on the product pages for each product. ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 8:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/8 "2011-12-18T08:15:57Z")
I apologize for the comments about Glace. It’s fast becoming my favorite product. Apparently the oil base means ~10x the ingredients are required for the same effect. But it lasts longer. ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 11:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/biotech-background-interested-in-a-scientific-approach/53700/9 "2011-12-18T11:21:43Z")
The base is quite unique in that you get a longer more smoother effects from it, rather than a fast burn and hit over the head effects that wear off relatively faster. Each system has its own time and place but personally I prefer the longer slow burn.