# Bonding & Cuddling Phero? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 20, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904 "2008-07-20T02:12:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vivica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@Vivica](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivica)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/1 "2008-07-20T02:12:01Z")
Hello ladies & gents. Im trying to get a phero that will help with creating a bonding and cuddling effect. Something that can create a stronger relationship of love. I already have some est and was trying to see if there was anything else here that I could get. Any tips would be great. ---
**Author:** ![remmy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/remmy/32/2451_2.png) [@remmy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/remmy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/2 "2008-07-20T02:22:38Z")
hi vivica 🙂 how come ur looking for something other than est? do u not like them…? im actually debating whether or not to get it. but yes, for ur questions. i havent tried it personally, but i heard instant honesty works well. also, for me, p83 works fine too just because it increases touching. hope i helped! ---
**Author:** ![djacquelyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djacquelyn/32/2180_2.png) [@djacquelyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djacquelyn)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/3 "2008-07-20T02:38:10Z")
> [@Vivica](#): > > Hello ladies & gents. > > Im trying to get a phero that will help with creating a bonding and cuddling effect. Something that can create a stronger relationship of love. I already have some est and was trying to see if there was anything else here that I could get. Any tips would be great. Hey Vivica, I was told that [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is a very close comparison for est so maybe that’ll work for ya…prolly good to combinate with P83? djacquelyn 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/4 "2008-07-20T03:44:36Z")
> [@djacquelyn](#): > > Hey Vivica, > > I was told that P74 is a very close comparison for est so maybe that’ll work for ya…prolly good to combinate with P83? > > djacquelyn 🙂 I’m not sure that p83 would be good for this purpose. It does increase touch, yes, but it’s a much more sexually aggressive and frustrating molecule than I think the OP is looking for. “Love” is not the first word I would use to describe p83’s actions. I don’t think it would be in the _top twenty_ words I would use to describe it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Vivica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@Vivica](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vivica)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/5 "2008-07-20T03:52:29Z")
@Remmy: I like est I was just looking for other products to try as well. @djacquelyn: Thanks for the suggestion I guess Im looking for something that can give that type of butterflies in the tummy feeling. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/6 "2008-07-20T07:28:04Z")
P86 is very tactile. ---
**Author:** ![djacquelyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djacquelyn/32/2180_2.png) [@djacquelyn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djacquelyn)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/7 "2008-07-20T13:34:19Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > I’m not sure that p83 would be good for this purpose. It does increase touch, yes, but it’s a much more sexually aggressive and frustrating molecule than I think the OP is looking for. “Love” is not the first word I would use to describe p83’s actions. I don’t think it would be in the _top twenty_ words I would use to describe it. 😉 ariadne Hi, Yeah, after hearing what you said you have a point here, maybe no [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) afterall. Thanks for pointing that out. So with that in mind, I would say instant honesty coupled with P74 could possibly help foster some deeper bonding. djacquelyn 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![queenie-t](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/queenie-t/32/1580_2.png) [@queenie-t](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queenie-t)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/8 "2008-07-20T18:10:53Z")
I think instant honesty is a good idea.. but maybe pair it up with IS/B or something like that.. to bring in the attraction.. i dont know a lot about the putatives though… I know oxytocin is a bonding hormone.. and i have seen mixed reactions/perspectives on the board here regarding it.. but it may work :shrug: good luck!! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/9 "2008-07-20T19:46:19Z")
[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and IH have a bonding effect. P96 is another you may want to try out. It is said to has EST like qualities to it. Not sure if its in stock but I will ask about it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![jahmani](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jahmani/32/5172_2.png) [@jahmani](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jahmani)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/10 "2008-07-20T20:48:17Z")
When I use [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), my wife gets lovey-dovey 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Julia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/julia/32/1388_2.png) [@Julia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Julia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/11 "2008-07-20T23:39:19Z")
What is in [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) anyways? how do I find out about any of the P’s. Would love to try them out but am too scared to use something Im not sure of ingredients wise or affects-wise. ---
**Author:** ![smell\_yummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@smell\_yummy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smell_yummy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2008, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/12 "2008-07-21T03:14:09Z")
I love using [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) when I’m around my tg. He seems a lot more sensitive, and definitely opens up a lot. I use 5 sprays in the togo bottle to get that effect. ---
**Author:** ![queenie-t](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/queenie-t/32/1580_2.png) [@queenie-t](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/queenie-t)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/13 "2008-07-21T03:18:00Z")
p’s are [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/).. ones’ that they arent sure do anything, and if they do, what they do.. usually once one is used to seeing the effects of the more common pheromones, they start to experiment with the putatives to see what they do for them… ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/14 "2008-07-21T04:57:41Z")
While it’s true that when a Putative is released its as a Putative because the molecule is suspected but not proven to have pheromonal qualities, I believe that it’s fair to say that a good number of them have proven themselves as [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). AndrostAnone is a known pheromone and I’ve been told that one of the Putatives is AndrostAnone, although not which one. So, I think it’s also a safe assumption that Androtics may be taking the scientific research approach, and unwilling to label anything as a pheromone, even if it’s already been lableled as one, until definte results have been reported by us. Androtics has been quite busy with preparing for the move, putting together the commercial Ammo product and release, re-staffing, etc., but in the 9 months that I have been around, I have not seen a single Putative graduated to pheromone status, an experimental test mix move up to pre-release status, or a pre-release move up to a consumer product. I believe that once things settle down some we will probably start seeing a slew of new products and existing products moving up the ladder. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/15 "2008-07-21T12:22:47Z")
> [@Julia](#): > > What is in P74 anyways? how do I find out about any of the P’s. Would love to try them out but am too scared to use something Im not sure of ingredients wise or affects-wise. this document will help find some of the known effects of the [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/) [Google Docs - Mix Guide](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh_IA&gid=1) ---
**Author:** ![Julia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/julia/32/1388_2.png) [@Julia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Julia)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bonding-cuddling-phero/15904/16 "2008-07-21T13:10:23Z")
Thank You everyone for the info! and for the P- testings and explorations. I wish I were so bold.