# Bring back IFM **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 14, 2011, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318 "2011-11-14T09:28:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/1 "2011-11-14T09:28:32Z")
IFM makes me extremely happy and has nothing to do with depression. The guys that get depressed probably have ridiculously high levels of estrogen and dht in their bodies. It’s not my fault that these guys have horrible health. This just annoys me to have to restart testing, order from LS and have to go through the whole process of figuring out how to use A1 drops. Lets ban pools because some people drowned! Sex should be illegal because some people got hurt from it! Lets ban bee pollen, the world’s healthiest food, because 1 person per 200 years gets a stinger in their throat and die because they are allergic to venom!!! I’m seriously panicked at the idea that in 7 months, I’ll run out of IFM. "This depression effect is one of the reasons that [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) was discontinued. Once it again, I want to remind people that this DEPRESSION IS RARE. " “I think AD used to carry [A1](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) (Androstadienone) but due to the minority of men experiencing depression as a side effect, as well as a purported issue with a preexisting patent on the use of [A1](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) with fragrance, they no longer carry it (I may be wrong here.) Lovescent does, and so does Alchemy Labs. There are guides on its’ dilution here as well.” ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/2 "2011-11-14T16:37:19Z")
It’s funny, but I tried the component molecule of IFM again for the first time in a few years. My girlfriend told me something she used to from that time but, looking back has not done so since I stopped wearing this molecule “I can’t be angry with you”. (In regards to silly things she should not in any case have fretted about, but ordinarily would have). Also, I found - as Thomas said - that in combination with the other (fairly standard mones I was wearing) it put me in a tremendous mood - exuberant, jolly, cheerily dominant - and there was a similar vibe amidst the other men around me. I don’t know the considerations that went into the decision, but I do second Thomas’s request. It surely cannot make sense on safety considerations to sell high doses of androstenone - a product that can get you beaten up if you are not careful - yet refuse to sell IFM. Of course, I can understand if safety considerations weren’t the prime driver. ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/3 "2011-11-14T20:17:51Z")
As a gay male, my experiences with A1 are more in line with females. Contentedness, very warm bodily feelings, but I think that this chemical is so widely used (Dial Magnetic Body Wash, Got2Be Magnetik Hair gel) that AD might find itself damaged in not carrying this chemical, and that, buyer beware, should allow consumers the informed ability to use it as they will. I heard someone on pherotalk that females with malicious intent used it in high doses to trigger withdrawnness in males, and I think that while problematic, it is strange that AD - being focused on research- would reject the product. This is ‘the most common mone on the male body’ and we’ve heard so much success about its use from males and benefits to females, that the commercial market sells it in every drugstore in body wash. Time for a revisit, I think. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/4 "2011-11-14T20:29:06Z")
I’m not sure but I’m going to go out on a limb here, but I doubt this store would be in the blacklisted page for AD, but massage XS sells a product with A1 in it. It would be worth giving it a shot, I know the formulator knows what he’s doing and won’t sacrifice on the quality that they offer to clients. I trust them as much as I would AD. This might get edited, and I’m sorry if I broke protocol, but I believe since it isn’t in conflict with AD’s line of business it would be ok. ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/5 "2011-11-15T13:37:46Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > It surely cannot make sense on safety considerations to sell high doses of androstenone - a product that can get you beaten up if you are not careful - yet refuse to sell IFM. Totally agree. I think I posted almost the exact words 6 months or so ago – whenever the last “bring back the IFM” thread was. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/6 "2011-11-15T13:43:00Z")
> [@xev](#): > > Totally agree. I think I posted almost the exact words 6 months or so ago – whenever the last “bring back the IFM” thread was. lol I want to see the thread where evil malicious women where plotting to use A1 to depress males… lol dw I will search for the thread sometime I saw some good studies on pubmed about dienone ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/7 "2011-11-15T14:01:11Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > lol I want to see the thread where evil malicious women where plotting to use A1 to depress males… lol dw I will search for the thread sometime > > I saw some good studies on pubmed about dienone A1 might be the phero you are looking for to increase the comfort factor in the mix you discuss on your nightclub thread - It is a superb complement to none and goes very well with A314 too. However, you do need to remember that currently, AD will not consider any discussion of mixes involving A1 as contributing to RU status and it would be a shame to see such quality reporting going to waste. ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/8 "2011-11-15T14:06:32Z")
I just scanned Pubmed- some _really_ interesting studies there. Repeated exposure to A1 lowers the threshold to detect it significantly (sensitization) and leads subjects to more likely percieve it as putrid. [Changes in the odor quality of androstadienone d… [Chem Senses. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16280418) Younger males are more sensitive to A1 than older males, but this difference is not present in females- as males get older, they are less sensitive, but females do not change in relation to age. Theory says that males may be less sensitive due to increased production with age. [Androstadienone odor thresholds in adolescents. [Horm Behav. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15708759) ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/9 "2011-11-15T19:36:45Z")
I agree they should bring back the orginal IFM. Make a poll or something, popular vote can cause change ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/10 "2011-11-15T20:00:55Z")
Last night, I was thinking of the god sluts a lot (The 10.2/10 babe I have been talking about in my journal that fell in love with me in 5 minutes and asked me to fuck her and brought her home to fuck until my best friend grabbed her pussy and got her so mad, I also had her 9/10 friend and she told me she wanted to date me) and I noticed that I was sweating like crazy. Is it just me, or my natural pheromone production is basically A1 with obviously some other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Jeez my armpit smells the same as the IFM bottle, and IFM goes so so so well with my personality. When I get A1 on my skin, I start to sweat even more and I start to glow and feel energized like crazy, and then I feel like the boss of alpha males! “You must be new around here. We the best.”- Thomas Lavoie on A1 ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/11 "2011-11-15T20:07:02Z")
Well, If A1 is the Issue (and it is) then What About Subbing the MX412 in it’s Place… MX412 was the A1 Substitute that AD Came Up With… Would it Work as a Direct Substitute for A1 in the IFM Mix?!? Then IFM COULD Be Released as a New MX for Testing… ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/12 "2011-11-15T20:11:14Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > It surely cannot make sense on safety considerations to sell high doses of androstenone - a product that can get you beaten up if you are not careful - yet refuse to sell IFM. Of course, I can understand if safety considerations weren’t the prime driver. To this, I reply these 3 quotes: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Bolkie > Androstenone , I seriously do not know how to proceed with this stuff, because it doesn’t work for me. I thought of the following possible reasons: > A. I am not congruent > B. I OD on the slightest dose > C. It doesn’t agree with my body > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by thomaslavoie > Androstenone, this is why I think it doesn’t work for many of us: > > 1. Nearly all girls are on contraceptive pills (Androstenone attracts them less while on the pill); > 2. There is no war in our society (everything is safe most of the time, they don’t need a warrior mate that can kill other men); > 3. Women have sufficient food and aren’t starving (they don’t need to mate with a dominant male that could kill others to take food); > 4. Many girls want a submissive male to exploit his money (Androstenone secreting males are seen as bossy); > 5. Women have confidence issues and feel intimidated (Androstenone is very dominant); > 6. My targets are 22 to 28 year old white females that seem to prefer social pheromones instead of agressive dominant pheromones such as androstenone. > 7. You are seriously screwed if the girl is menstruating (menstruating girls avoid men with high levels of androstenone) > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by thomaslavoie > Why I’m moving over to [A1](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) : > > 1. Exposure to [A1](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) increases a women’s sense of pleasure when being touched; > 2. It has been demonstrated that women exposed to Androstadienone judge men as more attractive than when they have not been exposed; > 3. Androstadienone has shown gender specific reaction in women in particular activation of the hypothalamus; > 4. Highly involved in sexual behavior, resulting in the female relaxing, slower breathing and heart rate; > 5. Women when exposed to Androstadienone let go of stress and discomfort followed by a feeling of well being; > 6. Androstadienone increased the skin sensitivity of women due to a heightened state of arousal. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/13 "2011-11-15T20:14:04Z")
Please explain to me how to add a poll to my first post. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/14 "2011-11-15T21:50:39Z")
> [@tho](#): > > Please explain to me how to add a poll to my first post. Im not sure how to add one to your first post to be honest, you could always just add it as a reply or try to edit your first post and see if it will let you add one from there. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/15 "2011-11-15T22:14:43Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > Im not sure how to add one to your first post to be honest, you could always just add it as a reply or try to edit your first post and see if it will let you add one from there. How do you make a poll in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/16 "2011-11-15T22:15:21Z")
As with any innovators we have moved on to new developments. There may be a chance to re-innovate IFM but as it stands we are concentrating on stealth diffusion technology and the Project UF experiment series which should be seeing a version 3 in the near future. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/17 "2011-11-15T22:22:39Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > As with any innovators we have moved on to new developments. There may be a chance to re-innovate IFM but as it stands we are concentrating on stealth diffusion technology and the Project UF experiment series which should be seeing a version 3 in the near future. Not to stir the pot here, but IFM wasn’t an MX or anything experimental. It was part of the consumer line products. Logically speaking since it was also unscented, wouldn’t that be a good candidate for stealth diffusion? While I am loyal to AD, and love the products, wouldn’t it go a long way for the company to cater to this demand that the consumers are requesting rather than have them find a similar product at other companies and essentially lose part of that market share? Yes the company is great and it does a lot for the clientel but I believe it is just turning away business from long time customers. As for the whole statement on the depressive effects it can carry, [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) and some of the UF projects are high Androstenone, which can also garner negative reactions, why not have a product that will help many members here with little reactions. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/18 "2011-11-15T22:23:56Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Not to stir the pot here, but IFM wasn’t an MX or anything experimental. It was part of the consumer line products. Logically speaking since it was also unscented, wouldn’t that be a good candidate for stealth diffusion? > > While I am loyal to AD, and love the products, wouldn’t it go a long way for the company to cater to this demand that the consumers are requesting rather than have them find a similar product at other companies and essentially lose part of that market share? > > Yes the company is great and it does a lot for the clientel but I believe it is just turning away business from long time customers. As for the whole statement on the depressive effects it can carry, Instant Jerk and some of the UF projects are high Androstenone, which can also garner negative reactions, why not have a product that will help many members here with little reactions. Actually because we would have to change the formula not to include A1 then it would become an MX. We wouldn’t just change it and throw it out there as a full product - you know we don’t do things that way. We test and test before we claim that it works. 🙂 Also keep in mind that we are producing a lot of other products, keeping molecules available for you guys for your own testing fun, as well as trying to keep things together for Project UF3 and other recent projects. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/19 "2011-11-15T22:28:45Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Actually because we would have to change the formula not to include A1 then it would become an MX. We wouldn’t just change it and throw it out there as a full product - you know we don’t do things that way. We test and test before we claim that it works. 🙂 > > Also keep in mind that we are producing a lot of other products, keeping molecules available for you guys for your own testing fun, as well as trying to keep things together for Project UF3 and other recent projects. But why not just use Androstadienone? I wasn’t referring to using other molecules that mimicked A1, just bring the actual product back. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/20 "2011-11-15T22:36:05Z")
IFM is such an epic product that actually works perfectly for me that it got me so excited that I made a [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) fan video last night [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxBH-NxYnI](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxBH-NxYnI) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318.md?page=2)