# Bring back IFM **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 14, 2011, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318 "2011-11-14T09:28:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/41 "2011-11-16T22:37:25Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Jasmin still doesn’t want to press it because its still patented. Utilizing it unscented is just a loop-hole, feels kind of dirty not to give them the playing field on their own innovation. Maybe some day things will be different, but thats how it stands for now. > > We have our own innovations to spend our resources on. 🙂 Well, that’s where my opinion obviously differs. I’m an opportunist. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/42 "2011-11-16T22:38:07Z")
It is Jazzy and Harris’ ultimate decision but I know how it has to be to disseminate their wishes to the public but hopefully if they read this, and this has been mentioned several times over the years, that the consumer products help fund the P and MX series that are sold in non-profit levels for the company. I understand the need to innovate, look at IG for example, great in releasing a pack that would help improve the quality of the product while searching for more available molecules, but honestly if pheromones are naturally occuring in the body and Erox patented them, great, good for them, but that should not stop you from selling it, I’m sorry (and this is taking it to the extreme) they wouldn’t care if you went out of business, and all you are trying to acheive with your mission would be all for nothing without that recurring cash flow. You guys have to face the environment we’re in, it has to keep evolving and taken with consumer demands. EVEN Jasmin approved a high none product like UF which is COMPLETELY against what AD tries to market, but yet it had to be done. I’m sorry but you guys should have a broader consumer line product because of the rolling blackouts we continue to have. Having another molecule in there would help not only broaden effects clients are looking for, but also serve as a backstop when things like IG/TUTH/IO/IH are out of stock. We’ve been loyal and we’ll continue to be loyal but everyone would be better served with a higher cash flow, and it isn’t you cutting back on quality or service, but actually something that has been requested over and over. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/43 "2011-11-16T22:39:53Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Jasmin still doesn’t want to press it because its still patented. Utilizing it unscented is just a loop-hole, feels kind of dirty not to give them the playing field on their own innovation. Maybe some day things will be different, but thats how it stands for now. > > We have our own innovations to spend our resources on. 🙂 I kind of agree, maybe AD can come up with something better! I’m really looking for a mix that can help create a crush effect or where they cant stop thinking of you after you leave, only reason for looking into A1 in the first place, but I think im going to test A1, MX412 and 413 to do a comparison. Work with what you have I guess. Just checked out Erox and they still haven’t even released there product, will be getting some to test out for sure though just to compare to other things I have tried. And P51 has a good point. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/45 "2011-11-17T00:11:47Z")
Always an inspiration to hear from the unmentionable 🙂 Here I was feeling a little down that the last cycle of UF testing sold out a day before I could get it due to employment issues… but knowing these other 6 P’s I have are still of interest has me thinking of other things to play with. Cheers!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/46 "2011-11-17T01:05:30Z")
It’s interesting to me that a company can receive a patent on a molecule that occurs naturally on our own bodies. Sounds like ‘previous art’ to me, and makes selling it much less ‘loophole’-like. That they might have a patent on mixing it with fragrance is more reasonable, but universalizing the argument that AD has applied here is unique; We don’t sell ‘X’ because there is a patent containing ‘X’ and other items in respect of another company. ‘Respect’ is a curious thing in business. If AD carried A1 at one point, I’m curious (but don’t expect an answer) as to what was the relationship shift between Erox and AD? Affiliation? Threat of legal action by Erox if AD continued to mix A1 into other pseudo fragrances or fixatives even? > [@tho](#): > > "P130 and P83 have held incredible interest for us – have you tried either? [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/)..Any word on it’s appearance in the store? Seems to be a panacea of sorts, given the collection of reports. ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/47 "2011-11-17T01:20:07Z")
> [@tho](#): > > "P130 and P83 have held incredible interest for us – have you tried either? [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/)..Any word on it’s appearance in the store? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/48 "2011-11-17T04:28:26Z")
> [@delocc](#): > > P130..Any word on it’s appearance in the store? Seems to be a panacea of sorts, given the collection of reports. We should be adding it with our next top-up of supply, but don’t quote me on that. Even though literally you can quote me because of the forum’s quote function. But you know, in a gentlemanly way - don’t quote me. [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) is super crazy unique - a lot of people got them because we sent them out with Project UF and a lot of other orders but unfortunately despite our requests and generosity the recipients (except a few RUs) just threw P130 into giant mixes or didn’t report on it at all. Also with the next top up of P83 hopefully we can lift restrictions as well. Its however available to RUs currently in its short supply. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318/49 "2011-11-17T04:31:54Z")
Also by the way, assuming I have any, you guys ( **if you are RUs or have a running journal at the very least** ) can e-mail me if you want [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/). I’ll put you on some sort of list and try to get some out to you if it isn’t going in the store within the next few months. Put P130 in the subject or something. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bring-back-ifm/53318.md?page=2)