# buffered/slow release P74 **URL:** \ **Category:** Store Announcements & Feedback\ **Created:** [June 10, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051 "2007-06-10T18:40:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/1 "2007-06-10T18:40:25Z")
would this be a possibility? sometimes it is a pain to have to keep reapplying throughout the evening. maybe [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) oil would be effective. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 8:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/2 "2007-06-12T08:30:54Z")
Yea sounds good to me. **I am thinking one of the reasons P74 has such an over-the-top social effect at times is that it is quickly released.** When something is released like virtually completely in 1 hour max, then it is going to be the more dominant mone in the mix then the slower release components. The same thing happened when I first started using Androtics’ products with TAA- the effects were dramatic (I was using anywhere from 20-60 mcg) but lasted no more that 30 minutes. When [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) came along, being essentially TAA with added fixatives, the results were far less over the top but still useful, and it lasts a solid 4-5 hours. So same thing may happen with a P74 oil or P74 with more fixatives with regards to less over the top effects which can get too much at times (eg. at work). Visionary ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/3 "2007-06-12T15:55:35Z")
Given the heat out in Texas right now, an oil based [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and p79 for that matter would be nice. It seems that AD will be releasing buffered versions of the two sometime in the near future. Hopefully these incorporate some means to prolong the initial effects, particularly with P79 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/4 "2007-06-12T23:25:51Z")
there was a discussion about using leather as an absorber and slow release agent… another option would be akin to the old time sachets, a small cloth bag filled with a granular material,possibly even some kind of husky seed, like raw oat… some small squares of heavy weight leather could be spayed heavily then put in plastic zip lok bags and sealed for a day or two until the [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) migrates deep into the leather, then drop these in your pockets… ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2007, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/5 "2007-06-13T18:13:11Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > there was a discussion about using leather as an absorber and slow release agent… another option would be akin to the old time sachets, a small cloth bag filled with a granular material,possibly even some kind of husky seed, like raw oat… some small squares of heavy weight leather could be spayed heavily then put in plastic zip lok bags and sealed for a day or two until the pheromone migrates deep into the leather, then drop these in your pockets… interesting. I’ll look into that. how well would the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) diffuse using these methods? ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/6 "2007-06-15T12:22:59Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Yea sounds good to me. **I am thinking one of the reasons P74 has such an over-the-top social effect at times is that it is quickly released.** When something is released like virtually completely in 1 hour max, then it is going to be the more dominant pheromone in the mix then the slower release components. The same thing happened when I first started using Androtics’ products with TAA- the effects were dramatic (I was using anywhere from 20-60 mcg) but lasted no more that 30 minutes. When Instant Shine came along, being essentially TAA with added fixatives, the results were far less over the top but still useful, and it lasts a solid 4-5 hours. So same thing may happen with a P74 oil or P74 with more fixatives with **regards to less over the top effects which can get too much at times (eg. at work).** > > Visionary what happens when you wear [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) at work? ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 5:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/7 "2007-06-16T05:33:36Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > what happens when you wear P74 at work? Well this one lady I sit next to in her mid-to-late 30s just talks and talks and talks- there are similar reactions from some others. Its friendly for sure but its just over the top distracting for me. It would be awesome for parties for example but its just too much for everyday at work I find. Plus I am kind of paranoid that one day someone is going to find out that something ‘is up with me’ when they see this kind of unreal behaviour constantly happening around me 😉 . I am thinking if [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) was put in with strong fixatives to make it last 5-6 hours or more, you would still get its ‘cool guy effect’ benefits with less over-the-top chattiness/friendliness. You would still get some, which is fine, just not all the time. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/8 "2007-06-21T17:22:11Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Well this one lady I sit next to in her mid-to-late 30s just talks and talks and talks- there are similar reactions from some others. Its friendly for sure but its just over the top distracting for me. It would be awesome for parties for example but its just too much for everyday at work I find. Plus I am kind of **paranoid that one day someone is going to find out that something ‘is up with me’ when they see this kind of unreal behaviour constantly happening around me 😉 .** > > I am thinking if P74 was put in with strong fixatives to make it last 5-6 hours or more, you would still get its ‘cool guy effect’ benefits with less over-the-top chattiness/friendliness. You would still get some, which is fine, just not all the time. > > Visionary nobody is going to attribute that behaviour to pheromones… theyll find something about you to explain it on. oh visionary is just so good at making people feel comfortable and breaking the ice. must invite him again next time. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2007, 9:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/9 "2007-06-27T09:38:02Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > nobody is going to attribute that behaviour to pheromones… theyll find something about you to explain it on. oh visionary is just so good at making people feel comfortable and breaking the ice. must invite him again next time. Yea well where I am in the past few months I have overheard people talking about pheromones from the USA (probably talking about this site or LS) and the success that this forum is having in adding newbies and the numbers of people viewing the forum is making me a little paranoid. I mean if I knew about the reactions of the different products (like P74 over-talkativeness/friendliness) and saw a relatively plain person who is surrounded by such behaviour every day to a ridiculous extent, I would be suspicious. More and more people are learning about the power of pheromones and sooner or later we may be caught out by perceptive people… Not that they may do anything bad but still I like having this as a ‘secret’ like a lot of us do… Anyway just a paranoid thought… Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2008, 3:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/10 "2008-07-05T03:10:44Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > **buffered/slow release P74** > would this be a possibility? sometimes it is a pain to have to keep reapplying throughout the evening. maybe P74 oil would be effective. > [@tacitus](#): > > there was a discussion about using leather as an absorber and slow release agent… another option would be akin to the old time sachets, a small cloth bag filled with a granular material,possibly even some kind of husky seed, like raw oat… some small squares of heavy weight leather could be spayed heavily then put in plastic zip lok bags and sealed for a day or two until the pheromone migrates deep into the leather, then drop these in your pockets… > [@P74, a compilation: enhanced attracting effects, a ‘cool person' vibe, and empathy](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-a-compilation-enhanced-attracting-effects-a-cool-person-vibe-and-empathy/5136/15): > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-good-for-everything/2469/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-good-for-everything/2469) > Jasmin (March 12, 2007): > “… **From what I’ve seen with my own eyes, the only negative might be the time you could need for social interactions. I’m not sure P74 is really appropriate unless you have time to hangout and bond** …” > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-good-for-everything/2469/11](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-good-for-everything/2469/16) > PheroQuirk (March 25, 2007): > “…**I love [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) - and Steveo was on the mark with regard to the energetic aspects. I’s prob too much for an office environment most of the time though. I only apply at night.**” > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p74/2805/2](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p74/2805/2) > Nunya (March 29, 2007): > “…In any case, almost 2 hours in - people are still pretty chatty in a “super-top secret” sort of vibe. P74 to me is more beta-nolish than p93. I’m really impressed with UB - she’s almost warm and polite. Even in the strategy meeting today, her body language was one of actually being engaged in the meeting, which is rare. The meeting itself was pretty good today - not the rah rah go team attitude of yesterday - more empathetic, and full of mutual respect. As for me - I’ms till feeling a little buzz, and strangely i’m seeing coronas from time to time when I look at things. > **I’m also finding myself not wanting to talk, because it’s difficult for me to focus on conversations, whilst others want to have long conversations.** > > **interesting. perhaps not the best bet for my particular job, but should at a little something interesting socially, when i have time to just focus on being social.** ” > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-uplift-and-bonding-for-men-only/4555/8](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-uplift-and-bonding-for-men-only/4555) > PheroQuirk (July 11, 2007): > “Quote: > Originally Posted by **PepeInLosAltos** > _I’ve been researching, but not trying much so far. I’m waiting for my big order to come in. From the forums, it seems that TAA is the primary ingredient in Shine, while -nols invoke diarrhea of the mouth. I’m looking to [EST](https://phera.com/) as something that encourages emotional bonding in a social forum, more “I like being here with you” than “Aren’t you just so much fun?”, more cuddly than chatty._ > > _Having analyzed tacitus’ posts, [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) and -nols may not be ideal for quiet environments._ > > **P74 too.** ” > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-a-rush-of-love-without-tangible-evidence-hate-persists/6730/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-a-rush-of-love-without-tangible-evidence-hate-persists/6730) > SteveO (November 18, 2007): > “ **P74: A Rush Of Love Without Tangible Evidence Hate Persists!** > Yeah I know my titles are a bit eccentric, but so am I. > > Jasmin asked me to test P74 over the last few days and being that she has those over powering NLP tricks and that lovely Jasmin seduction pheromones working over the phone she convinced me without much apprehension. > > So my tests started on Thursday and this report will include up until last night. I will say that I am not nearly finished with this unique and interesting molecule. > > I have a 30 Ml bottle unscented 30 mcg per spray. > > I started by wearing at first one spray 30 mcg to gauge my self effects. I noticed almost instantaneously that I had a big smile. It was as if my lips were puckering up almost as if about to kiss. It was more than that though, there was something in my minds eye screaming power! I can’t really explain it just that I was thinking power, but not as world domination, but more in the line with world seduction. I was calm and yet focused on how to be successful with women. Very interesting thoughts that played out throughout my entire experiment. > > I would have thought this self-affect would have diminished as time progressed, but it wasn’t to be. The power and feeling as if I was on top of my seduction game was there throughout. Maybe it would have been different if my game was chess or dominoes, but my game is seduction and that is what I felt most connected to. Somehow I knew there was a connection between P74 and my passion. > > The interesting thing that did happen on Thursday was that when I went to Waly World to pick up some groceries I was absolutely driven to accomplish my goal. I was also up to 90 mcg at this stage. I was charged with getting what I needed and getting out of the store. Whenever I’m in a big store environment I can’t help but scope out other stuff not on my list and spend way more time than necessary. There were some missed opportunities because I just didn’t have the time (and yet I wasn’t rushed at all) to stop and venture into the social aspect. > > I could feel those around me as if I carried an aura of charismatic diplomacy turning heads catching eye contact and wanting to interact but I was on my mission and by all things Pink and Squishy, nothing was going to deter me. > > Strange now that I reflect back through my journal I see an inference that I went to my Happy Market where they only hire hot babes. **Weird that I don’t remember anything from it just a note that blond babe was working and gave me very strong eye contact.** I write: “She went out of her way to greet me. It wasn’t your typical Store Name greeting it was the kind they reserve for when the manager is next to them. She was blond HB8 the one with the straight hair and big boobs but wearing baggy clothes like normal. Damn girl! I’ll have to chat with her about those baggy clothes. She remembers my fling with Cody and asked if I’ve spoken to her. We talk about how she’s doing and how I miss her. She gives me the old aww that’s so cute. I hate when girls do that. I couldn’t help noticing her baby blues and how she wouldn’t stop making bedroom eyes. She was staring, but I needed to go.” > > **Like I said from my journal I know exactly who she is, but all the same don’t remember that. Oh well there’s always next time.** > > **The strangest thing was that by the time I got home I was completely frazzled like all the energy was drained from me. There was nothing left in me and as such I needed a nap. A long nap so I took one. I also noticed that everyday that after a good four to five hours of use I got very tired. I was driven to get whatever I was doing done, but when I was done I was done mentally and physically.** > > **During the next couple of days I failed at inputing anything into my journal, but from what I remember everything was hyper drive and crazy. I managed to mentally challenge myself to focus on conversations with people.** Holly molly some serious conversations erupt like a volcano, spewing charisma and charm like they were hot molten lava and boulders. I talked with a friend of mine forever and it was deep stuff too. There was such a content feeling that everything was OK and right. > > The only thing that I didn’t like about my testing is that I never got to test it sexually or really much more than one friend and a few strangers. One girl I met at Chilli’s was intriguing. It was like I could tell she was more underneath than her surface would allow her to expose. After talking for what seemed to be hours (it was deep like hours, but in reality about 15 minutes) her boss came over and said their were people waiting to be seated. She was the hostess. My friends conversations with me were in retrospect kind of boring. We just chatted about this sarge or that field report, but typical crap and yet it seemed to have been so much more. > > In summary a very social conversation pheromones that adds depth to yourself and others digging its presence into the psyche and creating a determined mindset to accomplish greatness. **Effects last about 4-5 hours for me with a massive come down at the end. My brain was tired**. > > I can see why Jasmosisinator asked me to test this molecule. Very nice little molecule that I will continue to test for a few more days. Strange, normally after testing something and being away from my personal mixes I always yearn to get back to mixes, not with this one. I like it!” > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/10](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-p74-testing/12663/10) > mark-in-dallas (May 15, 2008): > Quote: > Originally Posted by **SteveO** > _Does anyone get super tired and crash after using P74? Usually after a 50mcg dose I can burn my neuro transmitters out and get very tired and need to sleep.._ > > **Yep, I didn’t even think about it when I wrote this, but I got home around 10:00** and ended up falling asleep on my sofa almost immediately, and I was kind of zoned out yesterday too. > > **I normally NEVER go to sleep before midnight** or so.” > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cant-believe-im-doing-this/12238/47](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cant-believe-im-doing-this/12238/47) > tmoz (July 2008): > “TAA is by far a top 5 product for me, but it’s not better than [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/). [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is a top 3 product. I feel that my confidence and respect level with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is way more blatant than with even [MX103](https://pheromonelabs.com/). It’s a 2nd best in regards to status after [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/). Only drawback is that it needs some beta [androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) used along with it. [TAL](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and alpha [androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) can also be used to pair up with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), but I find beta [androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) the most effective. Again, status +++. > > **However, even though it’s tempting to use everyday, you just can’t. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) burns me out faster than any other product** , _and that’s why I feel there’s definitely some of it mixed in with MX271._ I wonder if it’s the same case with MX272 and MX273? I received them both along with a 50mcg spray of [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) today, so I’ll make a public report regarding those two once I get around to testing them.” **Slow release / oil-based [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) might also be useful for minimising possible negative self-effects (see my quoted post above) from using this molecule. Slow release P74 might reduce some of the over-the-top social reactions but, at the same time, result in a less ‘mentally tiring’ effect from this fun and cool 🆒 putative…** ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/11 "2008-07-06T11:32:27Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > would this be a possibility? sometimes it is a pain to have to keep reapplying throughout the evening. maybe P74 oil would be effective. Yep, that’s (finally!!) a possibility! We’ve been testing a few different chemical solutions to slow the release of _spray_ based product, so you don’t have to resort to oil. Brand new technology that hopefully work better for pheromones than the perfume fixatives of old. A spray compatible solution also means we can keep testing up at a brisk pace, and with greater accuracy. When we prepare oils, we have to do them in large batches. The dosing also isn’t as accurate as the spray delivery system. We initially wanted to slow the release of TAA, especially for the summer months. In fact, we have two new test versions of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) we’ve prepared with each of the new test chemicals. We want to get 'em out to those interested, and see which chemicals works best to meter out pheromone release without destroying the effect or making it too dull Hopefully what what works for TAA, will work for P74, too. ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/12 "2008-07-06T14:37:17Z")
Hi, You could also try adding a little Glucam-P20 to the bottle, apparently it’s used in perfumery and helps keep the top-notes from diffusing too quickly. I would try some myself but I cant find a distributor in the UK ☹\*\* \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Karmiel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/karmiel/32/2234_2.png) [@Karmiel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Karmiel)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/13 "2008-07-08T02:23:08Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Yep, that’s (finally!!) a possibility! > > We’ve been testing a few different chemical solutions to slow the release of _spray_ based product, so you don’t have to resort to oil. Brand new technology that hopefully work better for pheromones than the perfume fixatives of old. > > A spray compatible solution also means we can keep testing up at a brisk pace, and with greater accuracy. When we prepare oils, we have to do them in large batches. The dosing also isn’t as accurate as the spray delivery system. > > We initially wanted to slow the release of TAA, especially for the summer months. In fact, we have two new test versions of Instant Shine we’ve prepared with each of the new test chemicals. We want to get 'em out to those interested, and see which chemicals works best to meter out pheromone release without destroying the effect or making it too dull > > Hopefully what what works for TAA, will work for P74, too. Oh wow, when do you think the two versions of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) will be available for testing? ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2008, 8:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/15 "2008-07-08T08:13:24Z")
I will be testing out Glucam P-20 myself. Right now I’m testing it out on a perfume blend I made by diluting oud attar into alcohol and adding 1 drop of P-20. It seems to make the fragrance’s initial diffusivity lower. I will test out the P-20 in Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) later. Physically P-20 is similar to propylene glycol, but it’s more like a syrup and it feels gummy as it starts to dry- I put some P-20 mixed into jojoba on my skin and it’s obviously an emollient of sorts as it resists soaking into the skin There are other fixatives you could use, of course, too. Ambroxan is one, but it has an odor and has to be heavily diluted. Also, if you again don’t care about odor, any resinoid gum would probably work as well. You should check at any perfumer’s suppliers. There has to be some in Europe somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2008, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/16 "2008-07-09T02:23:51Z")
Brilliant. Something to slow the release of the fast pheros would be great. Would something like that affect an entire mix, or would they specifically bind to those especially fast diffusing molecules? There are a couple mixes I rather like, but after a few hours you can just tell that the socials are gone, yet some of the stickier ones are still there. So this makes it difficult to simply reapply, because now the whole ratio is off. ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/17 "2008-07-10T13:44:46Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > I will be testing out Glucam P-20 myself. Right now I’m testing it out on a perfume blend I made by diluting oud attar into alcohol and adding 1 drop of P-20. It seems to make the fragrance’s initial diffusivity lower. I will test out the P-20 in Instant Shine and Instant Openness later. Physically P-20 is similar to propylene glycol, but it’s more like a syrup and it feels gummy as it starts to dry- I put some P-20 mixed into jojoba on my skin and it’s obviously an emollient of sorts as it resists soaking into the skin > > There are other fixatives you could use, of course, too. Ambroxan is one, but it has an odor and has to be heavily diluted. Also, if you again don’t care about odor, any resinoid gum would probably work as well. You should check at any perfumer’s suppliers. There has to be some in Europe somewhere. Thanks for the help! Repped 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hgirl1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bcef8e/32.png) [@hgirl1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hgirl1)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffered-slow-release-p74/4051/18 "2008-10-10T18:29:31Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > I will be testing out Glucam P-20 myself. Right now I’m testing it out on a perfume blend I made by diluting oud attar into alcohol and adding 1 drop of P-20. It seems to make the fragrance’s initial diffusivity lower. I will test out the P-20 in Instant Shine and Instant Openness later. Physically P-20 is similar to propylene glycol, but it’s more like a syrup and it feels gummy as it starts to dry- I put some P-20 mixed into jojoba on my skin and it’s obviously an emollient of sorts as it resists soaking into the skin > > There are other fixatives you could use, of course, too. Ambroxan is one, but it has an odor and has to be heavily diluted. Also, if you again don’t care about odor, any resinoid gum would probably work as well. You should check at any perfumer’s suppliers. There has to be some in Europe somewhere. Did you ever try the P-20 with your [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to slow diffusion? If so, what was the result? Did you notice a difference in how much product you had to use? How did you mix it?