# Buffering: can too many socials like IS, IO, IH mask a heavy molecule's effects? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 9, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507 "2011-01-09T23:21:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/1 "2011-01-09T23:21:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Buffering: Basically buffering is adding socials (Instant Shine, Instant Honesty , Instant Openness , Instant Gentlemen) to Single molecule heavy products ( A314 , TUTH , Instant Jerk). For example, Androstenone heavy products won’t have too overt sexual overtones when layered with any of the socials. You will still have Androstenone content but it won’t be too in your face. is it possible to have so many socials on like IS, IO, IH that the effect of single heavy molecules are masked from it giving it little to no effects whatsoever? ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/2 "2011-01-09T23:31:38Z")
> [@phaseshift](#): > > is it possible to have so many socials on like IS, IO, IH that the effect of single heavy molecules are masked from it giving it little to no effects whatsoever? In my experiences yes it can, I once tried 2 sprays ammo + 4 sprays 4x IO and received no attraction hits at all all day, I also noticed that people I was around gave me no respect and where very snappy and short tempered with me. I definitley think you can over do it with socials like IO and IH, although IS for me seems to amplify ammo. ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/3 "2011-01-09T23:35:06Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > In my experiences yes it can, I once tried 2 sprays ammo + 4 sprays 4x IO and received no attraction hits at all all day, I also noticed that people I was around gave me no respect and where very snappy and short tempered with me. I definitley think you can over do it with socials like IO and IH, although IS for me seems to amplify ammo. that’s good to hear as my two main [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) are AMMO and IS. So far my sweet spot with ammo alone is 2 sprays, though im trying 3 today. IO and IH will be added accordingly but im thinking not as many sprays as IS which is 3-4 ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/4 "2011-01-09T23:52:12Z")
> [@phaseshift](#): > > that’s good to hear as my two main pheromones are AMMO and IS. So far my sweet spot with ammo alone is 2 sprays, though im trying 3 today. > > IO and IH will be added accordingly but im thinking not as many sprays as IS which is 3-4 Dont forget that ammo already has 2.5mcg of anol (main ingredient in IO) per spray in it anyway, so I think your right not to go to heavy on IO/IH. ---
**Author:** ![number\_9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/number_9/32/2323_2.png) [@number\_9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/number_9)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/5 "2011-01-10T01:01:07Z")
> [@](#): > > I once tried 2 sprays ammo + 4 sprays 4x IO and received no attraction hits at all all day, I also noticed that people I was around gave me no respect and where very snappy and short tempered with me. I’ve had similar experiences, and my use of IO seemed to dramatically reduce my chances of sexual encounters and ‘sexiness’ in general… but I guess this could be a personal thing. It made me think a lot about what makes a situation sexy for people in general and myself. I sort of half-assedly concluded that I relied on sexual tension, perhaps more so than is common. Beyond a possible personal difference in how girls tend to become interested in me; I’ve also heard from many sources that in most sexual relationships, you never want your lover to be 100% comfortable, and this goes for you, too! Essentially, sexual tension is an important dynamic, and it makes the sex better, and usually the relationship, too. All that said I know a lot of people have had success with using IO to meet girls. This could be personal. _More information on IO and buffering later when I have some free time!_ ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/6 "2011-01-10T01:09:56Z")
> [@phaseshift](#): > > that’s good to hear as my two main pheromones are AMMO and IS. So far my sweet spot with ammo alone is 2 sprays, though im trying 3 today. > > IO and IH will be added accordingly but im thinking not as many sprays as IS which is 3-4 Go read one of my posts. I got some blatant hits from blondes with 3xammo + 3xIS +3x IH… When you add socials, sometimes, you get less sexual hits IMMEDIATELY, but if you stay with the target long enough, they get that sexy ammo sneaked in there too… You have them more hooked since they feel hot and sexy for you, yet connected and comfortable 😉 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/7 "2011-01-10T01:29:20Z")
> [@phaseshift](#): > > is it possible to have so many socials on like IS, IO, IH that the effect of single heavy molecules are masked from it giving it little to no effects whatsoever? It doesn’t necessarily take away from the products effectiveness. People have said here that IO has some beta qualities when linked with AndrostERONE based products. In my experiences, using IH/IS at higher quantities haven’t really made a terrible effect on a lot of the products intended results. The reason is that pheromones are made for enhancement, they’re not made to be the primary driver in steering your interactions. They help and make this a bit easier. I’ll tell you how. I am a big A314 fan. Members here have reported that they don’t like it because it doesn’t give them enough of attraction and it’s too daddyish. Bullshit, because if you project that image, then you will give that image. I use it consistently and I’ve gotten great results from high quality women. I also use Betal Nol (Instant Honesty) a lot with it, and I’ve rarely used AndrostENONE in my interactions and have had decent success. I don’t go and make out with every girl out there, but the ones I do get, well they’re quality women, to the point that my friends have told me, I’m not a numbers guy, I’m more on quality. I’ve also used higher dosages of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (TAA) with A314 and AMMO and it hasn’t diminished the sexy vibe that it gives. Long story short, you can only really benefit from this when you test them out. There are some great things about the advice given here, but you really have to work on your own personality and body chemistry. As time goes on, you will get better seasoned and be able to custom tailor things for when you meet women and it’ll just be like selecting a cologne, you’ll know it instinctively. ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/8 "2011-01-10T01:31:47Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > Go read one of my posts. I got some blatant hits from blondes with > > 3xammo + 3xIS +3x IH… When you add socials, sometimes, you get less sexual hits IMMEDIATELY, but if you stay with the target long enough, they get that sexy ammo sneaked in there too… > You have them more hooked since they feel hot and sexy for you, yet connected and comfortable 😉 are you asian by any chance coolkat? im at my proving grounds right now testing out 3 sprays of AMMO. Couple of hits so far, just eye contact. Its funny as I am reading your post I giggled a bit, a blonde just walked in and gave me an instant look. The two girls who left just 10 minutes ago, the blonde who was facing me, was giving me the look also. The dirty blonde at IHOP today was giving me stares, smiling and playing with her hair. Not many people here today at the Starbucks, I just sprayed on 2 IS see how that works with 3 sprays of ammo. I might add another spray in 30 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/9 "2011-01-10T01:39:48Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > Go read one of my posts. I got some blatant hits from blondes with > > 3xammo + 3xIS +3x IH… When you add socials, sometimes, you get less sexual hits IMMEDIATELY, but if you stay with the target long enough, they get that sexy ammo sneaked in there too… > You have them more hooked since they feel hot and sexy for you, yet connected and comfortable 😉 that combo is probably my most used one at the moment but If I swap IH for IO I get a different vibe, I think to much anol just buffers the sh!t out of ammo. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/10 "2011-01-10T01:43:55Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > that combo is probably my most used one at the moment but If I swap IH for IO I get a different vibe, I think to much anol just buffers the sh!t out of ammo. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IO+ IS, works well on young girls like 18 to 24. But remember, I am probabaly older than you; I am in my late 20’s 😉 ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/11 "2011-01-10T01:47:12Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > Ammo + IO+ IS, works well on young girls like 18 to 24. But remember, I am probabaly older than you; I am in my late 20’s 😉 I’m 23, ammo, IO and IS is well in my target zone I believ ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/12 "2011-01-10T02:03:35Z")
jesus christ about 6 Uni girls just came in, as they are waiting for their drinks my table is behind them btw. 3 of them all turn each one second apart and gave me a look…they are about 15 feet away from me. THat’s 3 Ammo 3 IS please stay booty licious babes so I can work this, I’m bored reading this crap for college. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 10:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/13 "2011-01-10T10:51:07Z")
> [@](#): > > is it possible to have so many socials on like IS, [IO](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) , [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) that the effect of single heavy molecules are masked from it giving it little to no effects whatsoever? People often misunderstand the products or molecules we call social. I dont know who told you that socials cant cause sexual attraction but they are dead wrong. Just because there primary strength is on the social side doesn’t mean attraction doesn’t occur. Buffering doesn’t mask the single heavy molecule it enhances it. It tones down the more negative aspects of the molecule or formula. For instance Anone can be sexual in itself, it says I am male and it arouses but it has no pull. That means you will arouse girls but they wont necessarily connect that arousal to you. Adding a social creates that pull that builds comfort connection and trust allowing the anone to sneak in under the radar and do its thing. A314 can be intimidating to some women. Adding a social wont buffer the alpha respect vibe it creates comfort and ease so they can more easily act on the attraction. Another misconception. Sexual tension doesnt mean lack of comfort. It means feelings of arousal. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/14 "2011-01-10T13:34:03Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > People often misunderstand the products or molecules we call social. I dont know who told you that socials cant cause sexual attraction but they are dead wrong. Just because there primary strength is on the social side doesn’t mean attraction doesn’t occur. > > Buffering doesn’t mask the single heavy molecule it enhances it. It tones down the more negative aspects of the formula. > > For instance Anone can be sexual in itself, it says I am male and it arouses but it has no pull. That means you will arouse girls but they wont necessarily connect that arousal to you. Adding a social creates that pull that builds comfort connection and trust allowing the anone to sneak in under the radar and do its thing. > > A314 can be intimidating to some women. Adding a social wont buffer the alpha respect vibe it creates comfort and ease so they can more easily act on the attraction. > > Another misconception. Sexual tension doesnt mean lack of comfort. It means feelings of arousal. > > Tisha I totally agree with adding socials to Anone products to create “pull” but do you think you can overdo the IO/IH products when your goal is attraction or do you think theres nothing to worry about. If you make a cup off coffee and add mainly sugar it will taste to sweet and the taste of coffee will be undetectable., would you say the same for a phero combo. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/15 "2011-01-10T15:13:25Z")
Good example… I actually went in and made coffee and tasted one with a little sugar and one with a ton. I still taste the coffee but the sugar in the over done one was a little overwhelming but still good. Now if I was to fill have the cup with sugar of course it would ruin the effect of the coffee but thats a lot of sugar. I could be wrong but I think people know enough to not fill the cup with that much sugar or not to use half there bottle of socials in one shot. The key is balancing out your sweet spots. Its the same with mones, Lets look at Anone with anol. The anone is still there, you just “sweeten” it with the anol. Pay attention to the order and keep in mind anol evokes more emotions then I am using in my example and you need to be aware of your sweet spot… 1. Anone by it self \>\>\>\> masculine aggressive sexual. To much on its own can make people competative, nervous, uneasy 2. Anone with 1 to 3 sprays of anol \>\>\> Masculine comforting attractive sexual (perfect IMO) 3. Anone with 3 to 6 sprays of anol \>\>\>\> Attractive Comforting masculine sexual 4. Anol by itself \>\>\>\> Attractive Comforting. If other forms of sexual attraction already exist naturally this may all you need to push it into a sexual encounter. However if your looking to give a masculine arousing vibe and you cant pull that off yourself then help from anone is a good choice. To much anol on its own can cause a loopy high silly effect. Everyone of those 4 numbered combos above can bring about sexual attraction depending on the person exposed. Some people are confident and comfortable and some are nervous and unsure. I think its important to find balance with mixes depending on your intention for them and your sweet spots for each molecule or formulas. This effects a wider variety of people. Now of course you can create overkill or to many signals with any one pheromones or over use of to many. Mostly from the cover scent. You also really need to be aware of the primary ingredients in the formulas For instance IO and IH. You really dont need both at the same time. They both basically contain the same thing in different ratios. Pick the one that best fits your needs for the encounter. IO for more playful fun comforting easy going good times. IH for more deep intimate connections. If your using different social type products like IO Ishine and say P74. These are all leaning more on the social side but have there own unique signals so your fine as long as you dont go way beyond you sweet spot for each of those. I hope that clears up what I am trying to convey LOL It can be a lot to take in when your new to this. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/16 "2011-01-10T15:41:05Z")
Thankyou for clearing that up, very informative Tisha. ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-can-too-many-socials-like-is-io-ih-mask-a-heavy-molecules-effects/44507/17 "2011-01-17T01:32:10Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Good example… I actually went in and made coffee and tasted one with a little sugar and one with a ton. I still taste the coffee but the sugar in the over done one was a little overwhelming but still good. > > Now if I was to fill have the cup with sugar of course it would ruin the effect of the coffee but thats a lot of sugar. I could be wrong but I think people know enough to not fill the cup with that much sugar or not to use half there bottle of socials in one shot. The key is balancing out your sweet spots. > > Its the same with mones, Lets look at Anone with anol. > > The anone is still there, you just “sweeten” it with the anol. > > Pay attention to the order and keep in mind anol evokes more emotions then I am using in my example and you need to be aware of your sweet spot… > > 1. Anone by it self \>\>\>\> masculine aggressive sexual. To much on its own can make people competative, nervous, uneasy > > 2. Anone with 1 to 3 sprays of anol \>\>\> Masculine comforting attractive sexual (perfect IMO) > > 3. Anone with 3 to 6 sprays of anol \>\>\>\> Attractive Comforting masculine sexual > > 4. Anol by itself \>\>\>\> Attractive Comforting. If other forms of sexual attraction already exist naturally this may all you need to push it into a sexual encounter. However if your looking to give a masculine arousing vibe and you cant pull that off yourself then help from anone is a good choice. > > To much anol on its own can cause a loopy high silly effect. > > Everyone of those 4 numbered combos above can bring about sexual attraction depending on the person exposed. > > Some people are confident and comfortable and some are nervous and unsure. > > I think its important to find balance with mixes depending on your intention for them and your sweet spots for each molecule or formulas. This effects a wider variety of people. > > Now of course you can create overkill or to many signals with any one pheromones or over use of to many. Mostly from the cover scent. You also really need to be aware of the primary ingredients in the formulas For instance IO and IH. You really dont need both at the same time. They both basically contain the same thing in different ratios. Pick the one that best fits your needs for the encounter. IO for more playful fun comforting easy going good times. IH for more deep intimate connections. > > If your using different social type products like IO Ishine and say P74. These are all leaning more on the social side but have there own unique signals so your fine as long as you dont go way beyond you sweet spot for each of those. > > I hope that clears up what I am trying to convey LOL It can be a lot to take in when your new to this. > > Tisha so say your sweet spot for AMMO is 3, does that mean to get the best reaction I would have to double the sprays of IS to 6 to get this effect > [@](#): > > 1. Anone with 1 to 3 sprays of anol \>\>\> Masculine comforting attractive sexual (perfect IMO) Or its all about your sweet spot on IS also?