# Buffering Rone with -none **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 19, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619 "2009-09-19T17:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/1 "2009-09-19T17:10:29Z")
Question for you guys, if you were going to use 50 mcg of Rone, how much -none would you personally buffer it with? ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/2 "2009-09-19T17:35:34Z")
I don’t think you use none as a buffer, atleast, Alpha AndrosteNONE Is supposed to create negatives if you OD on it? AndrosteRONE would be a buffer for androstenone, in that it has similar effects without the agressivenesss, relying upon the info in: [Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159) I think 50mcg is probably a massive OD on none. Personally I would use Anol as my first choice to buffer it. with 50mcg of none i wouldnt be surprised on using 200mcg of alpha by the sounds of things. Ive not really used none or rone, so wait for some other users to comment on this. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/3 "2009-09-19T17:44:24Z")
lukus, Thank you for your assistance. 🙂 I appreciate it! What I mean is that if I use 50 mcg of Rone how much [None](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) would you pair it with to get best results. For instance A314 is mostly Rone, however it has some None and other pheros in it. I am curious what a good ratio would be outside of using A314. > [@lukus](#): > > I don’t think you use none as a buffer, atleast, Alpha AndrosteNONE Is supposed to create negatives if you OD on it? AndrosteRONE would be a buffer for androstenone, in that it has similar effects without the agressivenesss, relying upon the info in: [Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159) > > I think 50mcg is probably a massive OD on none. Personally I would use Anol as my first choice to buffer it. with 50mcg of none i wouldnt be surprised on using 200mcg of alpha by the sounds of things. > > Ive not really used none or rone, so wait for some other users to comment on this. ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/4 "2009-09-19T17:49:37Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > lukus, Thank you for your assistance. 🙂 I appreciate it! > > What I mean is that if I use 50 mcg of Rone how much [None](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) would you pair it with to get best results. For instance A314 is mostly Rone, however it has some None and other pheros in it. I am curious what a good ratio would be outside of using A314. errr I noticed I even confused myself in my last post aswell, ignore the second sentance saying 50mcg is prob an OD I was thinking of None in my head when I said that sorry (where as you were refering to Rone).. from another thread: A314 is 80% AndrosterRONE and has I believe 11 to 16 other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in the other 20% see: [-none, -rone, -nol explained](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/none-rone-nol-explained/7720) also: [Diane's Phero Notes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dianes-phero-notes/23360) (A314/m – Mixture, Androstenone, Androsterone, Alpha- and Beta-Androstenol, TAA to buffer; Alpha male, confident, trust me vibe. 18 Pheromones total – 80% Androsterone , 20% steering molecules. Gives wearer the aura of the true Alpha Male, induces trust from other males, leadership, cooperation. Calming, trusting, authority vibe.) ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/5 "2009-09-19T17:57:54Z")
LOL I thought I did not make myself clear 🙂 I have seen that. The ratio puts 1 drop of A314 at about 57 mcg of Rone in 3 drops or 19 in 1 drop. I am not sure of the None content. That is where I want to get a ballpark figure. A314 - 23.8mcg per drop - Mix of about 80% AndrosterRONE, with 20% other pheromones (up to 11, including androstenone) Its 4.76 mcg or lower per drop. ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/6 "2009-09-19T18:08:59Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > LOL I thought I did not make myself clear 🙂 I have seen that. The ratio puts 1 drop of A314 at about 57 mcg of Rone in 3 drops or 19 in 1 drop. I am not sure of the None content. That is where I want to get a ballpark figure. Well based on the info in the first link I gave (noob boot camp) > [@](#): > > The question is then, how much –none should I apply. You must first consider your age. The older you are the less –none you will produce. Lets **assume you are 18** – early twenties (even into the late twenties for some). Your –none production is not fading yet so less is more in most cases. It’s a genral concensus that a successful dose targeting women of the same age can be affected by **1mcg to 5mcg. Wearing more than 5mcg has a higher potential for causing negative results or attract older women**. People may even avoid you/not aknowledg your presence. This is refered to as the ghost effect. With age you can increase the dose up to **15mcg for ages 50+** due to the depletion of natural -none production. An important note is that younger girls are more sensitive to –none than older. You get 23.8mcg (micrograms) of 9 [human pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in each drop of Alpha A314… 23.8 @80% = 19mcg of rone like you say. this leaves almost 5mcg of pheromones left. 5/8 = 0.625mcg. even if none is more than exactly 1/8th of 5mcg, based on noob boot camp i expect it isnt any more than 1mcg. So for 50mcg 1mcg~1.5 of none would probabily work well. personally I would go for less 🙂 so 1mcg ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/7 "2009-09-19T18:12:42Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > Question for you guys, if you were going to use 50 mcg of Rone, how much -none would you personally buffer it with? I believe -rone is one of the more difficult molecules to work with. That’s why A314 is constantly being revised. I think I read somewhere that MHarris said -rone was one of the trickier molecules to work with. It also depends on what kind of mix you’re going for. A314 is primarily -rone, so is IG, but both give off a different vibe. There are also some more sexual mixes have -rone in them too. 50mcg/spray of -rone seems pretty heavy IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/8 "2009-09-19T18:17:24Z")
> [@zeph](#): > > I believe -rone is one of the more difficult molecules to work with. That’s why A314 is constantly being revised. I think I read somewhere that MHarris said -rone was one of the trickier molecules to work with. I think this is why they are doing multiple formulas for it right now. I’m personally interested in checking out the social and ultrafine versions. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/9 "2009-09-19T18:27:30Z")
> [@lukus](#): > > Well based on the info in the first link I gave (noob boot camp) > > You get 23.8mcg (micrograms) of 9 human pheromones in each drop of Alpha A314… 23.8 @80% = 19mcg of rone like you say. this leaves almost 5mcg of pheromones left. 5/8 = 0.625mcg. even if none is more than exactly 1/8th of 5mcg, based on noob boot camp i expect it isnt any more than 1mcg. > > So for 50mcg 1mcg~1.5 of none would probabily work well. personally I would go for less 🙂 so 1mcg I was thinking that as well. I just wanted to see if opinions differed on the forum. 50 mcg is a lot, I use 3 drops of A314, I have rone that is 100 mcg per spray, I want to dilute some down to 25 mcg, Also I will dilute down some none. Want to keep it to less sprays as possible. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/10 "2009-09-19T18:28:53Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > I think this is why they are doing multiple formulas for it right now. I’m personally interested in checking out the social and ultrafine versions. I am excited about the p90 version. I actually bought some P90 to work it out on my own to test against what is released. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/11 "2009-09-19T18:29:50Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > The ratio puts 1 drop of A314 at about 57 mcg of Rone in 3 drops or 19 in 1 drop. I am not sure of the None content. That is where I want to get a ballpark figure. Since you don’t know all the components (or ratio’s) is there a point in trying to figure out how much none is in A314? You can’t replicate the formula anyways? If you’re only after a ball park figure of how much none to try then you know it’ll be less than 4.76 mcg (from your calculations)…If you consider that TUTH has 2.5mcg/spray then you know it’ll likely to be lower than that ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/12 "2009-09-19T18:44:13Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Since you don’t know all the components (or ratio’s) is there a point in trying to figure out how much none is in A314? You can’t replicate the formula anyways? > > If you’re only after a ball park figure of how much none to try then you know it’ll be less than 4.76 mcg (from your calculations)…If you consider that TUTH has 2.5mcg/spray then you know it’ll likely to be lower than that Yes I agree- no need to replicate what has been done. However I am using Rone as a base in a mix, so I want to use knowledge that is already available to me. A314 rocks. It seemsto have a perfected ratio, why not use it. Rone by itself will get you walked all over. However balanced correctly it does amazing things. ALA A314. Thank you for your input as well! You guys are great. I am thinking it is really low. I get sweats with none. A314 does not affect me at all with sweats. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/13 "2009-09-19T18:56:57Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > I get sweats with none. i haven’t seen this reported as a side effect of -none. I was sweating quite a bit last nite while standing outside… it wasn’t hot.. just mildly warm. I’m wondering if the -none was the culprit of that ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/14 "2009-09-19T19:00:13Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > i haven’t seen this reported as a side effect of -none. I was sweating quite a bit last nite while standing outside… it wasn’t hot.. just mildly warm. I’m wondering if the -none was the culprit of that Yep I do not know if others get it, but I do, only when I use none. Mx292 gives it to me as well. IJ, PS R0, TUTH, only thing I have used that has not is A314. I used to use adderall which did the same thing so it was not a big issue, however if it can be avoided then its a big plus. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/15 "2009-09-19T19:04:44Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > Yep I do not know if others get it, but I do, only when I use none. Mx292 gives it to me as well. IJ, PS R0, TUTH, only thing I have used that has not is A314. I used to use adderall which did the same thing so it was not a big issue, however if it can be avoided then its a big plus. Maybe it was a combo of both… I ate an addy early in the day yesterday because I only slept for 3 hours the night before and needed to get through work. I know that normally ramps up my internal temp. I did notice that with the 302 I was getting some light sweating before I headed out after I had gotten dressed. It wasn’t overly warm in the room. At that point I had 3 sprays of the 302 on (for about 15mcg of -none) and then applied another spray an hour later. This is an interesting effect and I’ll have to keep an eye out for those kind of self effects as I test w/ the 301/302. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/buffering-rone-with-none/32619/16 "2009-09-19T19:08:06Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > Maybe it was a combo of both… I ate an addy early in the day yesterday because I only slept for 3 hours the night before and needed to get through work. I know that normally ramps up my internal temp. > > I did notice that with the 302 I was getting some light sweating before I headed out after I had gotten dressed. It wasn’t overly warm in the room. At that point I had 3 sprays of the 302 on (for about 15mcg of -none) and then applied another spray an hour later. > > This is an interesting effect and I’ll have to keep an eye out for those kind of self effects as I test w/ the 301/302. I have not used any addy in almost 3 weeks now still get sweats lol but again maybe its just me!