# Business or pleasure? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [April 9, 2012, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198 "2012-04-09T06:29:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/21 "2012-05-14T15:33:14Z")
**In the spirit of “Gosh IH is expensive!”** I’ve had a few days testing raw B-nol as an A314 buffer. Have tried 12, 25 & 37mcg doses all with 2 drops of A314 @ work Not really any ‘mega hit’ anecdotes just lots of subtle suggestion. Seems to work well as a buffer in that I didn’t feel like I lost any of the A314 positive effects while reducing the negatives. People respectfully held eye contact and conversed. I wasn’t challenged by anyone for being too alpha. This may be a misreading but, with females, I think B-nol has the potential to enhance the sexier qualities of A314. In conclusion, I quite like B-nol, deeper than P74, pretty similar to IH, I will definately revisit B-nol again but in the mean time I’m still happy to pay for the refined distinction of IH. **Happiest place on Earth** Had a theme park day out on Saturday, quite a large group, all ages. I was going to have a day off mones, but right at the last minute I thought F\*\*\* it [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) would be perfect 🙂 I was naturally the alpha of the group so really didn’t need anything else. IS x4 got the day off to a great start, eveyone happy, got a bit more IOI from one of our group (female 44) very subtle, just as well because my mrs. & here Mr. were both there too 😉 I know what you’re thinking “they’re all off to a theme park, of course they’re bloody happy!” but we do do this 2-3 times a year & I can tell happy from very happy. Instant Shine, excellent. ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/22 "2012-05-16T10:52:18Z")
**The Wellness Mix** ‘On site’ work meeting today. 1d A314 + 1s Ammo x2 + 3s IS Indoor temp 60F, wandered around a large building with a group of 10 clients / suppliers etc, sat for a bit in a meeting room. Main client (female 40) have known her quite a while get on very well, have been on abroad jobs with her so spent a bit of time off together etc, but she’s totally ‘one of the lads’ married nothing flirty at all. Today, on arrival she said very loud “H, wow, you’re looking really well!” “must be the diet I’m planning” I joked “no, you really are, you look really…well…well” As we walked around, discussing work, she must have said at least twice more how ‘well’ I was looking and as she said it she was looking me up & down. I’m pretty sure I don’t look any well-er than usually, I haven’t started my diet, still going to be too late, getting up too early, working too hard, spending too much time read this forum 😉 so I’m putting it down to the mix. 1d A314 + 1s Ammo x2 + 3s IS will now be known as my Wellness Mix 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 6:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/23 "2012-05-19T06:55:55Z")
**Working on a Saturday ☹** So, I had some many emails and documents open & jobs half done, I came into the office on Saturday to catch up. Couple of lads in the warehouse but no one in the office, so it’s all about the self effects 🆒… 25mcg TAF directly under my nose. didn’t breath through my nose for a few minutes while it cleared a bit. That was about 4 hours ago now & since then I have been listening to old fashioned Acid house & cleared my desk, replied to more unanswered emails, finished proposals, quotes, collated the crumpled expense receipts in my wallet, than an 4 hours ever 🙂 To start with I did start to wonder if I’d applied TAF or taken LSD, but either way it worked. Going home for some real life now. **TAFtastic** ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/24 "2012-05-28T10:42:41Z")
**A week in Singapore** Working with a lot of people this week, loads of interation available with Asians, Europeans, 20 year olds, international business people etc. I only brought A314, Ammo, IS x2 & IH with me. Humidity is fierce here, so a respray more regularly is a must. 1d A314, 2s Ammo, 4s IS. has ended up being a good mix. I don’t need to sell anything here so I toned down the A314 after the first day, but 1 drop (combined with the androsterone in the Ammo) is still gaining respect of the elders whilst not scaring off the young ones. I have a herd of people around me most of the time. Guys & gals of all ages and races. Locals are very friendly and give them the slightest bit of positive interaction and they are friends for life! One particular female (european mid 30s) I am working with, after initially establishing some facts by mentioning her boyfriend a couple of times, I reciprecaited by mentioning my girlfriend, put her at ease enough to become very flirty & touchy over the last couple of days. Too much socialisation to single out any ‘hits’ but the mix is certainly working, I’m exhausted talking. ---
**Author:** ![PheroHobbyist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@PheroHobbyist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroHobbyist)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/25 "2012-06-06T01:16:20Z")
Nice journal. Thanks. Does 1 a314 seem like a good amount often? I have noticed this in my own case. I may try beta nol instead of the p74 I’ve been using. One concern is that beta nol might affect my thinking more if I have to do work with numbers. Scaring off the young ones is sometimes a problem, I find. About 28 and under - the women feel too much (non sexual) respect or feel dominated. ---
**Author:** ![bojangalz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bojangalz/32/509_2.png) [@bojangalz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bojangalz)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/26 "2012-06-06T07:35:25Z")
Thanks Hydro, Your journal is using quite a bit of A314, IS and Ammo the three I purchased… Maybe it was subconscious from your replies on my intro post. Either way it is good to see a combo of all 3 as that is what i want to try out. Thanks keep up the Journal 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/27 "2012-06-06T14:27:22Z")
> [@PheroHobbyist](#): > > Nice journal. Thanks. Does 1 a314 seem like a good amount often? I have noticed this in my own case. I may try beta nol instead of the p74 I’ve been using. One concern is that beta nol might affect my thinking more if I have to do work with numbers. > > Scaring off the young ones is sometimes a problem, I find. About 28 and under - the women feel too much (non sexual) respect or feel dominated. Although I have been using 2d A314 more often at work, 1 drop is still effective for me, I would also only use 1 drop if I am mixing with something like Ammo. Coming over too dominating to younger people, I find can easily be overcome with your speech and body language, as long as you are aware of when you need to make someone feel more at ease, a couple of sentances is all it takes, if you want them to feel more at ease that is 😉 Buffering A314, I am still working my way through all the buffering options I want to try and B-nol I need to revisit. It is most similar to IH, not quite as friendly as P74, and a bit less predictable. In terms of self effects, I don’t think it would cause you any problems working with numbers. A314s focus overides any other self effects of Bnol for me. ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/28 "2012-06-06T14:33:12Z")
> [@bojangalz](#): > > Thanks Hydro, Your journal is using quite a bit of A314, IS and Ammo the three I purchased… Maybe it was subconscious from your replies on my intro post. > > Either way it is good to see a combo of all 3 as that is what i want to try out. > > Thanks keep up the Journal 🙂 They are my 3 faves 🙂 They do work great together, I’d just recommend keeping the A314 dose down a bit so as not to end up with too much Androsterone in the overall mix. It really is a mix for both business or pleasure 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PheroHobbyist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@PheroHobbyist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroHobbyist)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/29 "2012-06-06T23:43:48Z")
Ok, think I’ll try some IH today and see what happens. I also wonder if it adversely affects physical activity like weight lifting. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 11:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/30 "2012-06-07T11:46:31Z")
> [@Hydro](#): > > Although I have been using 2d A314 more often at work, 1 drop is still effective for me, I would also only use 1 drop if I am mixing with something like Ammo. > > Coming over too dominating to younger people, I find can easily be overcome with your speech and body language, as long as you are aware of when you need to make someone feel more at ease, a couple of sentances is all it takes, if you want them to feel more at ease that is 😉 > > Buffering A314, I am still working my way through all the buffering options I want to try and B-nol I need to revisit. It is most similar to IH, not quite as friendly as P74, and a bit less predictable. In terms of self effects, I don’t think it would cause you any problems working with numbers. A314s focus overides any other self effects of Bnol for me. This is exactly why sweet spot testing is so important. You learn when one drop out-values 3 drops. Without sweet spot testing you are simply left in the dark and chasing other people for what works for them. Well written Hydro 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/31 "2012-06-18T13:57:14Z")
**MX402** Spent a week or so playing with MX402 (an IG variation) solo, both at work & socially. 2-4 sprays. 3-4 works best, effects lasting about 3 hours, a single spray refresh buys a couple more hours. Been so busy at work haven’t had a lot of time to think and the general vibe has been a bit more stressed. MX402 has been a nice change from A314 (with various buffers) especially interactions are a bit shorter and more charged. Although it lacks the same respect features, it is a positive vibe enhancer and encourages agreement from others. Has been working equally well on both males & females. MX402, fun, lighthearted and easy to manage 🙂 **Ammo @ the dentist** Had a dentist appointment, a perfect phero opportunity 😉 Just 1 spray of Ammo x 2 & 1 of IS x 2, a 45 minute appointment with my female dentist & female dental assistant, provided more than enough amusement to overcome the pain of their drilling and filling. Obviously very close quarters, generated a very different style of bedside manner. The assistant who I’m sure never usually speaks at all, butting in at every opportunity. In the end, as usual, the only lasting memory was the pain in the wallet, but I’m now looking forward to my next Dentitst visit, thinking about which mix 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![newlind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2bfe46/32.png) [@newlind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newlind)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/32 "2012-06-21T02:32:40Z")
Fantastic & informative journal Hydra. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. I’m in the UK also so interested in your applications and how they sit with our changeable climate. It appears there’s no loss in range or staying power. I’m just setting out on my testing phase to determine sweet spots with: A314 & Ammo & shall later be buffering with IS, IO, IH & IG (perhaps in lieu of A314). I was wondering, however, do you also apply a morning cologne to mask some of the smells? ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 12:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/33 "2012-06-21T12:32:14Z")
Thanks Newlind, glad my wittering was useful. Cologne, no I don’t. I’ve never been a cologne wearer & it would probably seem more unusual to people than the smell fo the mones. I was concerned about masking the mone smell initially, but I have found that very few people seem to notice the smell & of those that do, most just find it a ‘nice smell’ IO & ammo are probably 2 of the worse smelling products IMO, but even they rarely cause offence. I got Ammo with [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) scent, as it diffuses quickly and subtley. The weather. Most of the time I’ve found mones to be as good as useless outdoors, but as soon as you’re back inside they work fine. Now it is getting warmer I have noticed the staying power reducing a bit, but in increase in exposed skin offers more application options compared to winter or when wearing a suit and tie. Good luck with your testing ---
**Author:** ![PheroHobbyist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@PheroHobbyist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroHobbyist)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/34 "2012-06-22T14:34:32Z")
I was thinking some good cologne would act as a good carrier and make them think you smell really good, adding to the package you present. I also get zero results outdoors mostly. A few times with little distance I noticed something. I also perceived that maybe, -none seemed to work some. ---
**Author:** ![newlind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/2bfe46/32.png) [@newlind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/newlind)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/35 "2012-06-25T05:35:43Z")
Hydro, you’ve inspired me to start my own journal here too. I like your Wellness Mix. Decided to up my dosage of IS from 2s to 3s & instantly noticed a lot if interest around the gym. It also fuelled my confidence to approach people in social situations around the gym & work. Have to say i sprayed my usual Joe Malone ‘Grapefruit’ EDT with the IS mix (no other mones at this stage) & found that really did the trick to carry the scent. Just the first time alone, i had 2 comments about how divine the smell was. All Joe Malones are perfect. They’re primarily single (citrus) basenotes & smell very fresh. Okay, off to start my own journal thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/36 "2012-06-26T14:44:35Z")
> [@PheroHobbyist](#): > > I was thinking some good cologne would act as a good carrier and make them think you smell really good, adding to the package you present. > > I also get zero results outdoors mostly. A few times with little distance I noticed something. I also perceived that maybe, -none seemed to work some. Some people definately seem to get an enhanced effect with a cologne added. Never tried myself. Outdoors, maybe get a bit more results now it’s warming up a bit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/37 "2012-06-26T14:52:19Z")
> [@newlind](#): > > Hydro, you’ve inspired me to start my own journal here too. > I like your Wellness Mix. Decided to up my dosage of IS from 2s to 3s & instantly noticed a lot if interest around the gym. It also fuelled my confidence to approach people in social situations around the gym & work. > Have to say i sprayed my usual Joe Malone ‘Grapefruit’ EDT with the IS mix (no other mones at this stage) & found that really did the trick to carry the scent. Just the first time alone, i had 2 comments about how divine the smell was. All Joe Malones are perfect. They’re primarily single (citrus) basenotes & smell very fresh. > Okay, off to start my own journal thread. The journal thing, really is usefiul to remember what you’ve done as you evolve your mixes. I’ve found some great inspiration in other peoples journals too ---
**Author:** ![PheroHobbyist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@PheroHobbyist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroHobbyist)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/38 "2012-08-11T17:03:48Z")
Any interesting results lately? ---
**Author:** ![HypnoTech](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hypnotech/32/1662_2.png) [@HypnoTech](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HypnoTech)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198/39 "2012-08-22T09:53:59Z")
> [@Hydro](#): > > Some people definately seem to get an enhanced effect with a cologne added. Never tried myself. The trick to the “added effect”, I think, is simply that if you have a pleasant scent on that people enjoy, they will be more likely to come a little bit closer and breathe a little deeper, thereby taking in a greater amount of your pheromone signature. So, find out what your target audience likes and use it. Since I first began using pheromones, I have played with several highly rated commercial brands of cologne, including Aspen, Grey Flannel, and Drakkar Noir. I also still use my original scents (albeit sparingly since they’re harder to find); those being Savage Night, Jovan’s Sex Appeal, and my own essential oil mixtures. Personally, Aspen works wonderfully with everything, but the majority of females (Caucasians especially) seem to prefer Grey Flannel; so, while I’m not a huge fan, I wear it for the ladies. lol [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/business-or-pleasure/55198.md?page=1)