# California Patriarch and Transferee **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [January 14, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885 "2009-01-14T19:12:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/1 "2009-01-14T19:12:52Z")
I had wondered where the people had gone from the L-S forum. I’m a mature, middle-aged, patriarch in California. I’ve had five children and three wives and have lost count of the intimate lady friends I’ve known over the years. I’m in a highly technical field and have a solid and broad education in science. That means I try to listen to and understand the “experts.” Sometimes they’re insightful and sometimes they’re blowing smoke. One comment I’ve seen that sounds right is that Androtics is interested in advancing the science and application of [pheromones](https://a314.com/). I’m looking forward to finding the new products that work for me in my situations. So feel free to offer suggestions! ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/2 "2009-01-14T19:30:17Z")
Hi, welcome to the forum. Can you tell us a little about yourself? What is your personality like? What products have you used from L-S? Do you have any goals you wish to accomplish with the products here? The answer to all of these questions can help you earn a gift certificate and help us make suggestions. Thanks in advance for your reply. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/3 "2009-01-14T20:00:27Z")
Personality-wise, I’m self-confident, gracious, gentlemanly, cooperative but with steel when needed. Dominant without being domineering; more like a competent diplomat. Rather cheery in most situations, almost annoyingly so to some. I’m also mid-50’s, 6 foot 1 inch, 215 lb mesomorph American (namesake fought in the Revolution.) I’ll use WAGG-N at the office on occasion but Edge and NPA out on the town or in potentially sexually situations. NPA is my favorite [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) by far and has been very effective for me. I definitely see the effects of SoE but seldom need it. I’ll use A-1 when I know I’ll be around bitchy or depressed women although conversely it depresses me so I’ll apply it to the back of my head. I’ll wear Realm for Men when I need cheering up. L-S’s oxytocin spray has been used effectively too, especially when one wants to create the trusting “girlfriend” affection feeling. I travel on business and will often arrange dates ahead via Craigslist. NPA works pretty well on those first dates but a higher success rate is always better. I’m playing with copulins (EoW) now since past experience with the middle-aged women I socialize with shows that applications to her intimate areas increases the excitement for both of us. For example, EoW with baby powder has worked before but is difficult to mix together. got any good bedroom mixes /cover scents for copulins? Note - “The answer to all of these questions _ **CAN** _ help you earn a gift certificate…” Your offer of a $25 gift certificate was _ **NOT** _ conditional on my revealing personal details, only on sign-up. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/4 "2009-01-14T20:18:43Z")
Not _ **my** offer_, I’m just responding to your post. People post in the Intro section because they are interested in the gift certificate. If you post _in any_ forum, it’s always a good idea to read the the sticky threads, they’re sticky for a reason! In this particular section there is [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934). Thanks for the additional information, Whitehall. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/5 "2009-01-14T20:44:27Z")
Sorry, Robbie, you sounded SO official! I mistook you for one of the staff. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/6 "2009-01-14T21:32:00Z")
No worries! Tisha is the moderator here, though she doesn’t work for Androtics and she’s much more fun to be around than me. 🙂 Androtics offers their commercial line, which is prepackaged and ready to go (like The Edge and SOE), experimental test mixes (which are combined pheromones, the mix’s properties are ment to be tested and then reported on here in the forum) and putatives (single pheromone molecules) which you can mix as you wish to achieve your own goals. They don’t carry any products like NPA, though many wish they did. Personally, I’d like to see Ammo in a concentrated unscented version like NPA, where you could add your own cologne and have the correct ratio of pheromones, but I guess that’s best said in another thread! You still might want to look at TUTH. NPA has the advantage where you choose your own cologne, but with TUTH (or any of the commercial products for that matter) you’re be positive about getting a consistant dosage. The thing that I notice about some of the -none products (NPA included) is that the containers need to be shaken or the dosage isn’t consistant. Also, when a guy like you or me adds NPA to cologne, we’re really roughing the estimation compared to the precise equipment AD uses. So, once you figure out your sweet spot with TUTH, you’re gonna be set for good. [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) is like A-1, but it may have additional steering agents in it. Tisha will know. ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/7 "2009-01-14T22:56:04Z")
Hi there, Welcome to the forum. It looks like you are an experienced user of pheromones. Why don’t you try pheromones from Androtics here. The pheromones are genuine and strong. For bedroom purpose, I suggest TUTH. It contains ‘none’ which can turn on ladies sexually. IFM is good to calm and relax the ladies. They will love to be by your side. They will be intimate with you. GOod luck ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/8 "2009-01-14T23:09:06Z")
Turn Up the Heat sounds a lot like New Pheromone Additive (NPA) from LeCroy, which I have a fresh bottle of. [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) does sound a lot like A-1. I’ve still got that too but seldom use it due to the self-depressive effects. It is good for when you’re stuck in close surroundings with a woman aflected (and aflecting) with PMS. Fortunately, I can usually avoid such situations. Just got a bottle of Liquid Trust so I’m set on oxytocin. What’s a good recommendation for a Androtics product that is distinct from the Love Scent’s offerings? What proven product or compound can I get here that I can’t get from Bruce? I will admit that the precision dosing and customizable concentrations are useful product enhancements. I should be getting my $25 coupon shortly. What I’d really like to see is a product like the old Excite wipes. Those were great for sex but maybe they were mostly A-nol. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/9 "2009-01-15T00:14:40Z")
For anyone who thinks Whitehall might have some experience, he’s been at LS since 2001. > [@Whitehall](#): > > Turn Up the Heat sounds a lot like New Pheromone Additive (NPA) from LeCroy, which I have a fresh bottle of. Turn up the Heat is ~None with some “secret ingredients” like NPA, just different “secrets”. > [@](#): > > Instant Female Magic does sound a lot like A-1. IFM is A-1 with again “secrets”. > [@](#): > > What’s a good recommendation for a Androtics product that is distinct from the Love Scent’s offerings? What proven product or compound can I get here that I can’t get from Bruce? I will admit that the precision dosing and customizable concentrations are useful product enhancements. A lot of the products are “similar” to what you can get from Bruce. For example, the “Instants” as in [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Instant Honesty, and Instant Shine are various mixes of Alpha and Beta ~Nols, you can get ~nol from Bruce. The ones that are distinct and not available from Bruce are the experimental products. They are designated as “MX-XXX” and “P-XXX”. The “P’s” are putatives, they are not even sure they are mones. You’ll see a lot of familular names here. Good to see ya. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/10 "2009-01-15T01:28:57Z")
Hey Whitehall, How are you ? Welcome to Pherotalk . 🙂 I am sorry, I feel like I know you as I have read many of your posts at LS over the years. My name is Tisha, I am the hostess and Phero guide here on pherotalk. I am so glad you decided to come on over and visit. I hope you decide to stay and contribute. Actually the GC offer does have requirements which are posted at the top of the intro section here… [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) I wont bust you balls on it though, I know your a valuable contributer 😃 Hmm how do I give mone advice to someone I have learned a lot of things I know from. Thats not fair you know LOL 😃 So are you looking for anything in-particular ? There is alot of molecules you probably haven’t played with here. You can look at the standard mixes like IG which is sort of like WAGG. Ishine which is youthful charismatic and uplifting. IO and IH I am sure your familiar with anol and bnol’s . IFM which is A1 with some modifier molecules, I cant reveal under penalty of death. j/k… well sorta LOL. The modifiers lessen the down feeling men get. Or you can use some of the advanced stuff. (keep in mind these are not under the guarantee) TAA which is part of what in Ishine is good and Bruce doesn’t have it. P83 may interest, its sexual in nature and has been reported to help loosen up inhibitions. This one is a favorite for alot of people. You would use it with your standard products after testing it out on its own. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) for bonding. P79 for intensifying what you have in products already. TAF for focus. Man there is a plethora of fun molecules to play with. Best thing to do is look around in the forum and see what catches your eye then if you have questions just jump in and ask. **Your GC is on its way** 😃 Oh shoot I almost forgot your question on EOW. Well most ladies here use Pink sugar to cover it but if your wearing it thats not for you. If your thinking of wearing it cover with a mild cologne If you are gonna apply it to her nether regions I would not cover it at all but if I was going to I would say look into a honey EO but be careful and dilute it some. Sensitive area Baby powder, I agree probably not that effective. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/11 "2009-01-15T01:41:20Z")
Thanks to all for the welcome. I especially appreciate the kind words from Tisha. I had throughly explored the “commercial” products that Bruce offers and found several that worked well for me in the situations I found myself in. At some point I laid the research aside and just put to use what I knew. Looking at this forum I find that the people here and Androtics are pushing onwards and upwards. I’ve a lot of catching up to do! So bear with me as I come up to speed. I expect to order several of the “to-go” products shortly and then start with the putatives. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/12 "2009-01-17T15:55:32Z")
I put in my first order as soon as I got my GC. For “regular” products, I ordered Ammo, TUTH, Instant Sexiness (for a friend), and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), all in To-Go sizes. Based on initial research, P83 sounded like a good first exposure to the putatives so I got that one too. Good, solid dispensers, good shipping packaging, and VERY prompt shipping and delivery! Androtics certainly as the basics down in a very professional manner - [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) should be so good. I’ll be trying the products out over the next week or so and will add my results and impressions as they become clear to me. I’m open for suggestions for other purchases. “Lust After Me” sounds perfect for a close friend and I’m looking forward to it becoming available again. I’m just enough the ballsy gentleman to think I could carry off wearing “Instant Jerk” in public. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/13 "2009-01-17T23:06:54Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m open for suggestions for other purchases. " [Lust After Me](https://phera.com/) " sounds perfect for a close friend and I’m looking forward to it becoming available again. I’m just enough the ballsy gentleman to think I could carry off wearing “Instant Jerk” in public. Hey great order, I look forward to hearing what you think of them. You know from reading your posts on past relationships and experiences with women you probably could pull of IJ. Not that your a jerk, 😛 I hate the name of that one LOL But it takes some knowledge and solid experience with women to work that vibe to your advantage and I think you can. I cant wait for LAM to come back, it shouldn’t be to long now. I would keep a eye out for [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) when its comes back out as well and get that. Its a better more effective version of Primal Instinct. P74 and P79 are two of the other favorite putatives you may want to check out. TAF may interest you as well. Great for focus and to enhance other mones so you can clearly see the results better. Used in a sex mix you can get some really thorough results if you know what I mean 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/california-patriarch-and-transferee/24885/14 "2009-01-17T23:35:25Z")
I tried a spritz of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) today. After a while I pulled out some traveling music for the car. My first and favorite tune? “Bad to the Bone” by George Thoroughgood and the Destroyers. That seems to fit the P83 profiles I’ve read. The P79/P83 combination seems to have some intriging posted comments.