# callin all men that used to b shy, plz help me b more sociable **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 25, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078 "2009-12-25T21:47:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/61 "2010-01-12T00:29:20Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > Don’t get stuck in the so called venusianarts forums dude. > > Most of the stuff is crap… and has no bearing on who they are as a person. > > Trust me… learn psychology, or just work on bettering yourself one thing at a time. > > Anyone want to bust my balls on pua stuff, I’ll tell you where to meet me. > > as a city moderator and lair leader I’d be glad to invite you for a weekend trip. > > 😉 wow i didnt know this was a resume contest, I like how u really didnt suggest anything besides what has already been said but thats cool… and i like the venusian arts forum simply because it was the one i started with, ultimately u should not use any at all, becuase it deters u from first hand experience but it is a good newbie starting location, where u can ask questions to get ur feet wet…then progress to using them as little as possible to increase ur ability to calibrate new situations on ur own with speed and precision. when i first started i had numerous newbie type questions and that forum helped me with them… but ultimately as shyconspiracy said ’ its 90 % u ’ i was simply sourcing a starting location for the training wheels to start spinning then yea i would agree u dont really need a pua forum after that point unless u feel like transitioning to teach others those same newbie steps… but there are numerous other ones, i dont know them all because like i said after a certain point u really need to learn on the fly…but pua forums are (argueably or not) great sources for beginners. try more then one if need be …till u find one u like… ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/62 "2010-01-12T00:40:08Z")
LOL@Denigro153 Apparently it’s a pissing contest … but that’s cool. lmfao nice work there slick ---
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/63 "2010-01-12T01:12:34Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > LOL@Denigro153 > > Apparently it’s a pissing contest … but that’s cool. > > lmfao nice work there slick thanks lol… its cool bro…u can probably piss way farther then me anyways ( ; ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/64 "2010-01-12T01:14:27Z")
(((kk))) ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/65 "2010-01-12T15:45:37Z")
I’m coming in late to the party! Haha, my man I know how you feel about being short. I’m only about 5’6 and there are definitely times that I say “damn, if was 3 inches taller”… However, since I’ve been on this site I’ve been taking the necessary measures to improve myself from within and essentially become a happy confident person. A314 helps majorly with this 😉 but confidence goes a long way. I’ve had girls 4 inches taller than me drive up to me just to say “I love you”. I went to McDonalds and talked to an old classmate (female, who is much taller) and simply by being ME (and A314 😛) I had her slip me her number in my bag. Also, I’m the shortest person in my social group. But they don’t treat me like that. Know why? UPTEMPO AND ENERGY. That in and of itself makes me magnetic and allows me to bring a good degree of humor to the group but also puts me in a position of power because there have been times where the entire group didn’t go out because I wasn’t going to be with them. Again, this is coming from a _short_ person. You’re inner radiance will more than make up for your shortcomings (no pun intended 😉) and will make you STAND OUT over those with more height. Being funny and making people laugh will make them want to be around you more. This has been said before but I’ll say restate it: Dress to impress…_yourself._ when I look good to ME it makes ME feel better and gives ME confidence. When you look good to yourself it helps TREMENDOUSLY with confidence (there’s that word again). Also, improve your conversation skills! Be up to date on current events, watch a lot of movies, read books, fill yourself with knowledge! I’ve been talking to a girl for 3 weeks and she has told me she loves me TWICE soley because I provide intelligent conversation, humor, and a bit of sexuality when needed. **A smart man is a sexy man to some women.** You’ll get it my friend, you’re already on the path to sucess!😃 ---
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/66 "2010-01-12T22:46:57Z")
> [@K-Train](#): > > I’m coming in late to the party! > > Haha, my man I know how you feel about being short. I’m only about 5’6 and there are definitely times that I say “damn, if was 3 inches taller”… > > However, since I’ve been on this site I’ve been taking the necessary measures to improve myself from within and essentially become a happy confident person. A314 helps majorly with this 😉 but confidence goes a long way. > > I’ve had girls 4 inches taller than me drive up to me just to say “I love you”. I went to McDonalds and talked to an old classmate (female, who is much taller) and simply by being ME (and A314 😛) I had her slip me her number in my bag. > > Also, I’m the shortest person in my social group. But they don’t treat me like that. Know why? UPTEMPO AND ENERGY. That in and of itself makes me magnetic and allows me to bring a good degree of humor to the group but also puts me in a position of power because there have been times where the entire group didn’t go out because I wasn’t going to be with them. > > Again, this is coming from a _short_ person. You’re inner radiance will more than make up for your shortcomings (no pun intended 😉) and will make you STAND OUT over those with more height. Being funny and making people laugh will make them want to be around you more. > > This has been said before but I’ll say restate it: Dress to impress…_yourself._ when I look good to ME it makes ME feel better and gives ME confidence. When you look good to yourself it helps TREMENDOUSLY with confidence (there’s that word again). > > Also, improve your conversation skills! Be up to date on current events, watch a lot of movies, read books, fill yourself with knowledge! I’ve been talking to a girl for 3 weeks and she has told me she loves me TWICE soley because I provide intelligent conversation, humor, and a bit of sexuality when needed. **A smart man is a sexy man to some women.** > > You’ll get it my friend, you’re already on the path to sucess!😃 I couldnt have said it better !! ---
**Author:** ![Des\_1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/des_1/32/695_2.png) [@Des\_1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Des_1)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/67 "2010-12-31T22:23:17Z")
Hey broskE I know what your talking about, I’ve grown up homeschooled all my life, so I never had time to learn how to be social first time I went to a party I was 16, and about an hour into it tho whole party was focus on baggin on me.. I hated myself and everyone for a long ass time, I talk to my gramps, he gave me some words of wisdom the one that really left with me was “As a man thinks in his Heart so is he” Bible. you are whatever you think you are. as far as the chemical imbalance, I don’t know how much cash you got, but I want you to get up and go to your local GNC, pick you up some Saint Johns wort (strong natural anti depressant) 5-HTP TR(Amino acid responsible for repairing neurotransmitters) DHEA(help cut down the stress of dealing with people) and a good multivitamin, also you’d be surprized the power energy drinks have to give you confidence! often lack of confidence comes from not knowing what to say, energy drinks as we all know help with that alot! that said those pills are all natural mood altering herbs that I take everyday and they really help keep a positive mood, as far as pheros. my oppinion I ALWAYS use p74 with anything, in just puts me in such a low stress place, makes it so easy to be around people. I wouldn’t use IO if I were you, if you dont have much confidence alpha nol even, tho it’ll help you talk and others talk around you, it also really makes that inner voice louder and your nerviousness will be more evident, aA315… yea, it’ll raise your confidence but I personally don’t like it much I’d say tuth to the chest! even if your shirt covers it it’ll get thru and it’s mainly for you, the aggression from none really helps be around people and not worry about what they think IG to the neck, it’ll give you respect hits people will listen to what you have to say and it really has a Best friend effect iS to the neck over it, make you happy and make people like being around you and if I was you I’d invest in some [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) as far as fashion, be your own person. enough said hope this helps bro ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2010, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/68 "2010-12-31T23:22:15Z")
denigro has some great advice… but this… sorry man gotta disagree in a huge way! > [@](#): > > shoes dont matter, as long as there clean and fresh looking, i wear kswiss or forces Whether you realize it or not…SHOES MATTER!!! When it comes to the ladies. They pick up on the smallest detail and can make the biggest thing out of it. Women love shoes, and this is a great opportunity to get into their world so to speak. Or at the very least, have something for them to open you with. I’ve been told a number of times by ladies I didn’t know who just happen to be walkin’ by, or are standing in line near by me…“Nice shoes.” You don’t have to spend a million bucks to dress like a million bucks. I shop at Target and Kohls for the most part. Kohls always has huge sales. I’ve walked out with shirts that were one time $60 for $10 or even less. Anywhere from 30% - 80% off on their clothes at all times. Target has the converse jeans and shirts. I walk around lookin’ like I’ve spent $100’s on an outfit that cost me maybe $100 and that includes the shirt, pants, belt and shoes. Tip on shoes… well tip in general. Get a lot of women friends and their numbers and ask them to go shopping with you. If you can’t take them out to shop with you, snap a pic of the shoes send it to about 5-10 of them and wait for the responses. That’s exactly what I do. If a majority of them respond favorably and by that I mean comments like…“Oooh they’re hot!” or 'oh yeah those are nice!" type comments, then I’m buying. Sounds silly, but if the comments aren’t punctuated by an exclamation point like “they’re nice,” vs “they’re nice!” I don’t count that as a yes. As far as overcoming shyness. You gotta just put in the work. I recall a time where I just started going into malls and asking random strangers for the time…both men and women… when you’re shy, approaching is approaching, it doesn’t matter what the sex. Good luck. Lots of really good advice here. ---
**Author:** ![Dimitri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dc4da7/32.png) [@Dimitri](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dimitri)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/69 "2011-01-01T00:58:51Z")
This is something I can tell you a little bit about… I’m a networking maniac today, but I used to have HORRIBLE social anxiety. The largest problem most people have when they are not social is **self-esteem** issues… I Know and can admit that was my problem. I didn’t feel like what I said was interesting or mattered: well trust me, by getting on this forum alone, you have more substance in your brain than a lot of the bone-bags I run with… _ **Fake it 'til you make it** _ is what my mom always used to tell me, and, honestly… It works! I’ve read in a few people’s posts that they like to rub a little A314 or IS under their noses… That honestly seems like a great idea… If you can trick YOURSELF into thinking that you’re social, then who the hell is going to argue? ---
**Author:** ![BiffyFighters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/34f0e0/32.png) [@BiffyFighters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BiffyFighters)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/70 "2011-01-01T18:36:42Z")
Hey and welcome to the world of pheromones. First of all, congratulations on deciding to change your life and make a difference. So many people hide from their fears and bury their heads in the sand, but that’s the difference between winners and losers. Consider yourself a winner my friend 😉 I know exactly how you feel on the height thing, i’ve had and still sometimes have that little voice inside of my head blaming my height for “holding me back” but it doesn’t mean you can’t attract beautiful women. A couple of external things you can do is to work on your posture, that can give you a couple of extra inches in height and will of course will make you appear and feel more confident. Also vertically striped shirts supposedly make you look slimmer and taller but i only read that somewhere so take or leave that as you want 🙂 More importantly is how you feel internally, shyness isn’t something you have to be stuck with. I used to be so nervous about the thought of going to college simply because i’d have to interact with other people, it’s ridiculous thinking back but a lot of the people i feared became some of my best friends. A book i’d reccomend (if you’re serious about overcoming shyness) is Feel the fear and do it anyway by Susan Jeffers. Genuinely changed my life for the better and i live by her words now. It’s pretty what it says it is, get in the deep end of the pool and stay there until you can swim. Trust me, in time you’ll learn to accept and appreciate fear. That might sound a bit crazy right now but a few years down the line it’ll make sense 🙂 All the best dude, let us know how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![skumskilla](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/skumskilla/32/1693_2.png) [@skumskilla](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/skumskilla)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/71 "2011-01-01T19:33:25Z")
I would recommend looking at some of David DeAngelo’s material. Because I myself used to be in a heavy duty shell and since I started watching that stuff it has really helped out a lot. Then with the mones, it makes it that much easier to approach and successfully maintain a conversation with women. ---
**Author:** ![Dimitri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dc4da7/32.png) [@Dimitri](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dimitri)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/72 "2011-01-01T21:42:19Z")
Biffy agrees! Fake it 'til you make it! haha. You’ll never learn how to swim if you dont get in the pool! ---
**Author:** ![BiffyFighters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/34f0e0/32.png) [@BiffyFighters](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BiffyFighters)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/73 "2011-01-01T22:00:36Z")
> [@Dimitri](#): > > Biffy agrees! Fake it 'til you make it! haha. > > You’ll never learn how to swim if you dont get in the pool! Well…you can’t argue with logic like that 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Noble](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noble/32/1768_2.png) [@Noble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Noble)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078/74 "2011-01-01T23:18:33Z")
I used to be VERY introverted. Super wallflower, quiet guy. You wouldn’t guess it now, though, because now I’m probably the loudest, most outgoing and social guy in my whole school. I didn’t really use any programs or tricks, really. I don’t know, it was weird; I just came back to school at the start of a new semester, and just started talking to every person in sight. This is a horrible attempt at advice, I know! But… I suppose I just didn’t think about it. Look: no matter what your subconscious mind says, there are _NO_ consequences to having a conversation with a stranger (Manson excluded). Best-case scenario: you meet a great new girlfriend, or an awesome new friend! Worst-case scenario: you get blown off, but that was only one person on a planet with _billions_ of other people on it. Throw yourself… out the window. Got it? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/callin-all-men-that-used-to-b-shy-plz-help-me-b-more-sociable/35078.md?page=3)