# Can a high dose of Instant Honesty backfire? Highest mcg people have tried **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 2, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471 "2012-05-02T23:12:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/1 "2012-05-02T23:12:08Z")
I am thinking if a high does of IH would actually turn the positive signal into a negative one. Has anyone had an OD on IH? What is the highest mcg that you’ve tried so far?🙂 by the way, I’ve just found a crazy post about the dosage of IH : > [@Instant Honesty report: 8 sprays of IH 2X plus IS/B on a walk downtown](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-report/17015): > > This is from a few weeks back but, i have yet to post it so, here it goes… I had used [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) 2X just 1 or 2 sprays & I did not think it did much. I noticed a lot more self-effect ( especially ) & other-effect with Instant Openess. Also, Instant Openess cheers me up. But then one day I wore this: 8 sprays Instant Honesty 2X- 2 wrists, neck, chest, arms, 3 hair. 5 sprays IS/B 5X cops - same So, I went walking outside to go to the store hot day around 4. Peopel were friendly, whatever.… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/2 "2012-05-03T01:26:48Z")
I find that with very high dose nols you and the people around you are more likley to just feel a bit emotionally flat and burned out after a while. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/3 "2012-05-03T04:32:38Z")
> [@sweetybirdy](#): > > _ **I am thinking if a high does of IH would actually turn the positive signal into a negative one.** _ > _ **Has anyone had an OD on IH?** _ > _ **What is the highest mcg that you’ve tried so far?** _🙂 An overdose is usually something that’s undesirable. For example, you wouldn’t want to OD on Androstenone because it can cause aggression/irritation in both men and women. And, worst case scenario, it could even get your ass kicked if you’re in the wrong company. But if you OD on something like A-nol about the worst that can happen is people get uber silly/chatty and, possibly, you could be talked to death. IH is pretty strong stuff even at one spray. If I recall correctly, IH/1X is 15mcg/spray. So, how much is too much??? 1X, 2X, 4X, 20X? Would you be disappointed if I say it depends? 😃 IH is really about emotional connection. It has well known/reported bonding effects that inspire feelings of intimacy/long time familiarity and therefore a deeper quality of conversation/communication. But it can also arouse and expand introspective thoughts, and even raise empathy and understanding to a higher plane. Tacitus reported achieving a meditative state using very high doses of betanol. I’ve had some very personal intense cerebral/transcendental experiences using high doses of IH. (Although it’s happened more than once, that wasn’t my intention while experimenting with high doses.) And at the same time also experienced body rushes to the point that I literally had to sit down. No doubt, in more ways than one, it can change/stretch your ordinary range of perception! 😉 Anything has the potential for being turned negative, depending. As for hearing the “truth” from others, well, people don’t just blurt it out. They do, however, blurt out things that are important to them. Emotions are truth. So, subjectively speaking, it may be the truth/honesty, in that moment. And, interestingly enough, even moderate amounts of IH can connect you in some ways while unexpectedly disconnecting you in other ways… like you getting swallowed up/pulled deeply into _introspection_ (while in the company of others) rather than exchanging in external dialogue with another person. So, it’s often _how_ you direct it that matters and that includes _internal_ direction. 😉 Now the question is… how comfortable are you with that? Again, it depends. If you’ve ever done any mind-expanding substances, that will definitely help, lol. [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are notoriously mood directed. So that’s something I always consider before choosing which ones to use. For example, if I’m feeling grumpy or down or outta sorts, I wouldn’t choose P79 because it’s a very forward driven molecule that has the ability to latch onto whatever mood you’re in and take you for a ride! Now, if I was in an upbeat happy mood, I’d take it for a spin. 🙂 I’m one of the lucky ones who has the rare experimental form of Extreme Honesty… 20mcg/drop. It was never marketed and was gifted to me a very long time ago when AD was dusting off their shelves, lol. I’ve combined that with IH/4X and worn up to 400mcg. Is that an OD? Even though it’s hundreds more mcg than I need for an obvious effect… maybe and not necessarily. From a previous post - > [@Bella](#): > > _**First let me say that IH is probably my favorite Androtics product. I love it, in the Extreme. 😃 And I can wear alot of it. I’m not out of my comfort zone, although I have stretched it a bit, lol. I’m very open and honest anyway. So, I’m already congruent with it, there’s no struggle. I’m upfront, friendly, can approach and easily open just about anybody, np… without pheromones. I find people naturally confide in me. Perhaps it’s because I know how to listen and they sense I’m genuinely interested, empathetic and can keep a secret… so, somehow, they feel compelled to speak freely. I don’t have to press, it just comes. And with Instant Honesty ([Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)) it comes like a runaway freight train! Although, most times, I can steer it if I want to. Yep, Instant Honesty ([Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)) can even blow your own mind as well as the guy sittin’ next to ya.**_ > > _ **To set the stage properly… the feeling that I’ve had that’s come over me a few times.. .has been under very relaxed, uninhibited and slightly inebriated circumstances. It came over me like a wave, a bubbling up and washing over feeling… it was somehow tangible… I could physically feel it happening and spilling into the air around me and between us. They felt it, too. I could both see and feel them/their reactions as well. Intense eye contact… a feeling, an understanding, if you will… in the midst of all this chatter… emotional understanding/connection… a meeting of hearts and minds. It was like an electric current … I could feel it running between all of us. At that point it was surreal, freakin’ wild! I loved it, despite the fact that I actually had to sit down because of this overwhelming feeling of connection.** _ There are so many ways of communicating. Even as we were conversing, strong silent emotional messages were also being sent/received. Even though I obviously used much more than needed for optimal results, I wouldn’t characterize my experience as a typical OD, at least not in the same sense that we usually define an OD, if that makes any sense to you. IH doesn’t leave me flat as mobo described. Although it can leave me somewhat emotionally rung out. It _is_ heavy, lol. However, I find it often leaves me more contemplative and open to the _extreme_ possibilities that IH has to offer. It’s a very useful tool and can work wonders if applied properly. Usually we tell people to “set their pheromones and then forget them”. But IH is the exception to that rule for me and it’s one that I choose to mind. By that I mean paying attention and being in tune with my own thoughts and behavior so as not to fall on my own sword… I don’t over talk and, instead, let the people around me have at it…and _whoosh_… man do they go go go! That said, high doses of IH can take some getting used to, like riding a wild wave. 🙂 My advice is to work your way up and get your footing with it first. Unless you wanna wipe out yourself and everyone around you! 😃 Bella ---
**Author:** ![okyoureabeast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/okyoureabeast/32/1395_2.png) [@okyoureabeast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/okyoureabeast)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/4 "2012-05-03T05:49:28Z")
I’ve used 50mcgs once of beta nol straight. Relaxed and calmed would be the word I would describe. Very much like being home with the family. Haven’t gone out with it before, but I’d suspect people would be very apt to opening up. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/5 "2012-05-03T05:59:32Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > IH doesn’t leave me flat as mobo described. Although it can leave me somewhat emotionally rung out. Yes - wrung-out is also how I’ve described the feeling before. Using 50/50 IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) seems to be a way of offseting that somewhat. The P74 makes it far less introspective and more engaging. ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/6 "2012-05-03T19:28:46Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I find that with very high dose nols you and the people around you are more likley to just feel a bit emotionally flat and burned out after a while. Because they have talked so much?? ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/7 "2012-05-03T19:31:39Z")
> [@okyoureabeast](#): > > I’ve used 50mcgs once of beta nol straight. > > Relaxed and calmed would be the word I would describe. Very much like being home with the family. > > Haven’t gone out with it before, but I’d suspect people would be very apt to opening up. I tried 5 sprays of IH togo X1 for a dinner. It was a gathering dinner with fellow students and my professor. I was sitting right next to my professor and he cracked out gossips and his opinions on another two professors.😃 My combination for that evening was: IH, IS, EOW, and Pink Sugar ---
**Author:** ![sweetybirdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sweetybirdy/32/1524_2.png) [@sweetybirdy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sweetybirdy)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/8 "2012-05-03T19:33:45Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - wrung-out is also how I’ve described the feeling before. Using 50/50 IH/P74 seems to be a way of offseting that somewhat. The P74 makes it far less introspective and more engaging. Hi Mobocaster, do you mean they cancel out each other? So, would it be wasteful if applying the 2 together then? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a-high-dose-of-instant-honesty-backfire-highest-mcg-people-have-tried/55471/9 "2012-05-04T01:55:33Z")
> [@sweetybirdy](#): > > Hi Mobocaster, do you mean they cancel out each other? So, would it be wasteful if applying the 2 together then? No, they complement each other superbly. 🙂