# Can A314 be diluted? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 2, 2007, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307 "2007-03-02T21:53:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![livewire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@livewire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/livewire)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/1 "2007-03-02T21:53:11Z")
I am not sure if A314 can be ‘watered down’, but I will ask the question anyway. Even one drop of A314 initially has a negative effect for me, for several hours, before it comes good. So what I would like to do is to try to test a diluted solution. Does anyone have any experience or suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/2 "2007-03-02T23:04:10Z")
You could try using some tea tree oil. I don’t know if the oils will mix. You might try putting a couple drops in little glass tube (get a cologne sampler from a deparment store. Onyx has a tube that is ideal. Put some a314 in it, then whatever ratio of tea tree you want. Shake it up and see if they separate. [www.Gemlite.com](http://www.Gemlite.com) has _Dowanol™ Dipropylene glycol methyl ether. Makes oil miscible with water._ This might help. If you won’t want to go that overboard you could test with a drop of parfumers oil, maybe isopropyl, or ethyl alcohol. Oh, you could get some startering fluid from Autozone (make sure it is ether, and not something else) spray it into PVC pipe tipped down to a bottle. That will exctract the ether and allow the propellants to evaporate. If you do this, BE CAREFULL, and avoid any open flames. Have proper ventalation, and I assume no liability for any injuries you may aquire. It’s not likely that you will, but I have to inform you that I don’t recomend doing this, and if anybody performs this method you will agree to waive any legal actions toward me. hehe, I have to have a legal disclamer if i’m giving information on anything remotely dangerous.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 11:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/3 "2007-03-02T23:06:06Z")
you’d be better off with something like a an almond oil i think. tea tree can be pretty harsh. I’ve had it burn my skin before. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/4 "2007-03-02T23:10:54Z")
how strong is almond oil’s aroma? ---
**Author:** ![livewire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@livewire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/livewire)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 11:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/5 "2007-03-02T23:24:54Z")
Thanks for the replies. Both tea tree and almond oil are quite cheap here in the UK, so I will give them a try. Starting fluid does not seem to be quite as easy to get hold of. ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/6 "2007-03-02T23:30:37Z")
or perhaps linseed as it’s thinner. i don’t know if you can use that on skin tho. almond oil’s aroma isn’t thick - it’s usally used as a carrier for other things. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/7 "2007-03-02T23:34:59Z")
I’ve been curiose about olive oil. I know some people use it for masage oil. Oh it’s best to use and oil that has antibacterial properties. Bacteria doesn’t readily grow in lipids, but it is possible. You might want to call Jasmin and ask her what oil they use for A314. That would be the easiest by far. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2007, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/8 "2007-03-02T23:54:38Z")
> [@Nunya](#): > > …linseed as it’s thinner… No, No, No!!! The ketone’s would poison you.😮 ---
**Author:** ![vanyel5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vanyel5/32/416_2.png) [@vanyel5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vanyel5)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/9 "2007-03-03T00:18:16Z")
would any carrier type oil be good? like safflower, olive, jojoba…like the things you would use to cut a fragrance oil to be used on skin? joseph ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/10 "2007-03-03T00:46:31Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > No, No, No!!! The ketone’s would poison you.😮 thanks! yeah - i wasn’t sure if it was one of the dangerous ones or not. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 12:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/11 "2007-03-03T12:19:02Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > No, No, No!!! The ketone’s would poison you.😮 Is that Flaxseed oil? If it is, that isn’t harmful as it’s actually intended for digestion. Edit: I suggest trying jojoba oil. It’s what I’ve used when experimenting a mix with eo’s. ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/12 "2007-03-03T13:44:08Z")
as a matter of fact it is! something i learned from a walking encyclopedia of a friend last night, is that linseed is marketed much like crude oil, by different grades and each grade has it’s uses. I was thinking of the kind that you use in painting - but it does a great job of diluting paints - i’m jsut not sure it can be used on your skin. I’m not sure which one has the ketones. unfortunately, the edible flaxseed oil isn’t very useful for diluting A314. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/13 "2007-03-03T14:28:20Z")
> [@Nunya](#): > > as a matter of fact it is! something i learned from a walking encyclopedia of a friend last night, is that linseed is marketed much like crude oil, by different grades and each grade has it’s uses. I was thinking of the kind that you use in painting - but it does a great job of diluting paints - i’m jsut not sure it can be used on your skin. I’m not sure which one has the ketones. > > unfortunately, the edible flaxseed oil isn’t very useful for diluting A314. I wasn’t aware it’s used in painting. I remember turpentine for sure… oh well. No of course don’t use the one for painting unless you know for sure… ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/14 "2007-03-03T14:56:10Z")
You could use any of the following: **Grape Seed Oil, unscented, 1 oz…$2.00** **Jojoba Oil, unscented, 1 oz…$4.00** **Sweet Almond Oil, unscented, 1 oz…$2.00** These are all BASE products for fragrence oils you might see at the local flea market. Here is a link to a site that provides them: [Travelers Oils](http://www.travelersteaco.com/index.html#travelers-top) They are out of Seattle, WA and pound for pound have very reasonable prices and service. I used to sell those Oils at the flea market, but within a month there were 10 other vendors with similiar products. ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/15 "2007-03-03T15:00:44Z")
hey steveo - grapeseed is the thinnest of those right? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/16 "2007-03-03T15:06:27Z")
> [@Nunya](#): > > hey steveo - grapeseed is the thinnest of those right? i reserve the right to be incorrect, but i believe grapeseed is also antibacterial, and is used for that purpose in cosmetics. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/17 "2007-03-03T15:12:32Z")
I’m not really certain about the grapeseed, or any for that matter, with the use of the phero’s. I know that the Jojoba oil ones I had always sold the best. I don’t know why, but it just did. I couldn’t tell the difference in scent when I did smell them but every customer I had always wanted the ones with the Jojoba. It figured as it was more exensive which cut down my profits. You might be right about the grapeseed, but it’s been a while since I sold them. I’ve moved onto poloroid cameras, 8-track players and stupid stuff with a big online market. I wish I could of more help, but I cant. ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/18 "2007-03-03T15:56:33Z")
hmm..looks like grapesee oil might be where it’s at: [Grape seed oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape_seed_oil) ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2007, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/19 "2007-03-03T17:25:43Z")
> [@livewire](#): > > I am not sure if A314 can be ‘watered down’, but I will ask the question anyway. > > Even one drop of A314 initially has a negative effect for me, for several hours, before it comes good. So what I would like to do is to try to test a diluted solution. Does anyone have any experience or suggestions? I don’t think that A314 is in a vegetal oil – I think the diluent in A314 is DPG. I got a bottle of DPG (Dipropylene Glycol) from Androtics (see the 30 ml cobalt blue bottle under the menu “Mixing Supplies” on the store (or just [click here](https://pheromonelabs.com/)). I’ve also diluted A314 with formulator’s alcohol (denatured alcohol with DPG) down to a 3:1 or 5:1 or 10:1 ratio and used it as a spray. Works perfectly, just like A314 ‘oil’ but disperses faster. ---
**Author:** ![livewire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce73a5/32.png) [@livewire](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/livewire)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2007, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-a314-be-diluted/2307/20 "2007-03-04T09:42:04Z")
Thanks for the replies - I really appreciate the time and effort that you guys have taken. Meanwhile, it’s vacation time for me and will be away for a couple of weeks, experimenting with -Rone based mixes.