# Can androtics determine what's in a product from samples? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 18, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733 "2007-05-18T14:43:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/1 "2007-05-18T14:43:45Z")
I have a product from a manufacturer which is quite unheard of. I find this product works amazingly well. Unfortunately, this product has been discontinued. I’m wondering if Androtics can determine what’s in it if I send a sample. Then they can maybe emulate a similar product. I suspect it’s a Androstenone / Androstenol / Androsterone product… but what ratio? ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/2 "2007-05-18T14:56:24Z")
i remember stone labs reverse engineered the secret ingredient in the Edge/NPA with little effort when it first came out. they just can’t use it due to the copyright. im sure Androtics could do the same with ur product but the same infringement issue is still there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/3 "2007-05-18T15:02:10Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > i remember stone labs reverse engineered the secret ingredient in the Edge/NPA with little effort when it first came out. they just can’t use it due to the copyright. > > im sure Androtics could do the same with ur product but the same infringement issue is still there. 🙂 [Pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) can’t be copyrighted 🙂 They can be patented, but not copyrighted. And I don’t think they registered for any patent. Beisdes, they have been discontinued… ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/4 "2007-05-18T15:15:00Z")
i thought copyright = patent?? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/5 "2007-05-18T16:13:36Z")
Reverse engineering takes too much time and expense for us. We’re more interested in pushing forward with new putatives and exploring uncharted pheromonal territory. That’s not to say we’re not game for new mixes! In fact, we want more of you to get on the putative train and start creating new mixes to play with! Btw - PM me the info of the product and I’ll see what I can dig up about it. If it’s a mix of any of the “Big 3” [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) (Androsterone/none/nol), I have some users here who are pretty nifty at feeling out particular notes and ratios. (Not to say they’re perfect, but they can give a ballpark guesstimate) Just my guess. ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/6 "2007-05-18T17:48:06Z")
> [@Oceanborn](#): > > Pheromone products can’t be copyrighted 🙂 They can be patented, but not copyrighted. And I don’t think they registered for any patent. > > Beisdes, they have been discontinued… what has been discontinued? NPA/edge? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/7 "2007-05-18T18:00:30Z")
I certainly hope The Edge hasn’t been discontinued!!! ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/8 "2007-05-18T18:12:57Z")
> [@bronzie](#): > > what has been discontinued? NPA/edge? No, the “unheard of” one. By the way, copyright is for written stuff (books, music, movies etc), patented is for invented “stuff” (cars, trains, drugs, hula hoops etc.). ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/9 "2007-05-18T18:22:11Z")
Can’t a chemlab run an analysis to determine components and ratios? It’s daily fare in crime lads so it can’t be that hard. If the product uses off the self chemset mones it would be easy for you to recreate the mix. ---
**Author:** ![Smudge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Smudge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smudge)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/10 "2007-05-19T04:54:30Z")
Thing is, they need to know what roughly they are looking for. Also, they need to have the right method, equipments and database. If the product contains only common mones, they probably can, with reasonable ease. But, if it has a putative or proprietary component, things may be more curvely if not impossible. CSI makes things look so easy. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-androtics-determine-whats-in-a-product-from-samples/3733/11 "2007-06-07T00:57:08Z")
From what I understand you can “copyright” something simply by adding the line “copyright 2007 by (name).” I have an author friend that says this is good enough, but a full formal “registered copyright” carries far more legal strength (at least int he USofA). (There is a difference between a “plain” copyright and a “registered” copyright.) A patent is awarded by goverment agency, and must pass review (be unique, “original,” and be something that _can_ be patented). You have to apply, have it researched (and pay $$$$$), and the patent will be published and available for anyone to buy a copy of. Some inventors prefer NOT to patent an item, as that way they can keep the workings (supposedly) secret. Once patented, anybody can see how it’s done. There is a difference between getting something patented, and getting someone to pay to produce it. Once an idea is patented and available, someone else can “improve” it enough (or take a different route to the same type of end product) to get it made themseves and cut the original “inventor” out of the picture entirely. If someone copies your “copyrighted” material you can sue, but it’s a harder fight than a patent as it can be just your word against theirs. A patent is documented. And yes copyrights are for things like printed word, photographes, etc. (representations of ideas, art, etc) where as patents are for “things.” At least that’s the way I understand it.