# Can effects become permanent? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 15, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334 "2010-11-15T23:20:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Noble](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noble/32/1768_2.png) [@Noble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Noble)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/1 "2010-11-15T23:20:56Z")
Like, say you used Ammo or [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) every day for a year, then suddenly stopped. Would your body have become so accustomed to those pheromone signatures that it would start producing them on its own if it needed to? Nice little theoretical question. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mongoose87](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mongoose87/32/1610_2.png) [@mongoose87](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mongoose87)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/2 "2010-11-16T00:06:15Z")
I shouldn’t think so. Sufferers of chronic pain taking daily medication don’t suddenly start making codeine, do they? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Noble](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noble/32/1768_2.png) [@Noble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Noble)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/3 "2010-11-16T00:39:36Z")
Haha, good point! 🙂 I guess a better way to look at the question is a person’s behavior. Obviously a year of Ammo is going to bolster someone’s self-image, assuredness and confidence. So, it only makes sense that they could stop [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) usage and still be just as lethal as before, right? ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/4 "2010-11-16T00:46:35Z")
Take a look at posts written by MHarris and tacitus on the topic of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) as emotional learning tools. (The older the posts the better) ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 12:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/5 "2010-11-16T00:47:21Z")
> [@Noble](#): > > Haha, good point! 🙂 > > I guess a better way to look at the question is a person’s behavior. Obviously a year of Ammo is going to bolster someone’s self-image, assuredness and confidence. So, it only makes sense that they could stop pheromone usage and still be just as lethal as before, right? And yes, absolutely one can see a permanent change for the better. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/6 "2010-11-16T01:08:57Z")
> [@Noble](#): > > Like, say you used Ammo or Instant Gentleman every day for a year, then suddenly stopped. > > Would your body have become so accustomed to those pheromone signatures that it would start producing them on its own if it needed to? > > Nice little theoretical question. 🙂 Realize that many of the mones on human skin are not directly produced by your body but are a byproduct of bacterial action on sweat. Ever notice fresh sweat smells different than sweat after a 2-hour workout or running around all day in hot humid weather? The most common mone on human male skin is A1. Heat, moisture and bacteria act on it and break it down to anol. In turn, anol breaks down to anone. Anone breaks down to a funky scent similar to roadkill skunk. So how often you shower, weather, how active you are, health, diet, etc., are factors which directly control natural mone output. Wearing artificial mones don’t normally change hygiene habits or physical activity. I don’t experience self-medication effects from mones. However, some people do albeit normally with ever diminishing strength. Perhaps a person with a psychological dependance on mones may experience increased stress and sweat more if they stopped using mones. The addition sweat will result in increase mone production if they don’t shower too frequently and defeat it. ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/7 "2010-11-16T03:14:14Z")
> [@mongoose87](#): > > I shouldn’t think so. > > Sufferers of chronic pain taking daily medication don’t suddenly start making codeine, do they? 😉 I suppose if they had steady access to poppies, they might. I know I would. 🆒 > [@Gegogi](#): > > I don’t experience self-medication effects from mones. However, some people do albeit normally with ever diminishing strength. Perhaps a person with a psychological dependance on mones may experience increased stress and sweat more if they stopped using mones. The addition sweat will result in increase mone production if they don’t shower too frequently and defeat it. However, I doubt this sweat will have the same composition as whatever artificial pheromonal signature they were wearing, so they might have increased -mone production but it will be mostly androstadienone, androstenol, and androstenone, as Gegogi pointed out. Not too many of those fancy P90s and TAKs. ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/8 "2010-11-16T20:31:41Z")
I think that in a way, they do. When you are very used to being noticed by others, being treated well, being seen as sexy, you often become more comfortable in your skin and you elicit those same behaviours. Another thing is that if your circle sees you are the cool guy 90% of the time, and have been for the past two years, their image of you remains even when you have an off day. Personally, I’m using pheros less often nowadays. Mostly if I’m meeting new people or want to change the impression I’m making. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/9 "2010-11-16T21:34:55Z")
> [@Butterfly](#): > > I think that in a way, they do. When you are very used to being noticed by others, being treated well, being seen as sexy, you often become more comfortable in your skin and you elicit those same behaviours. Another thing is that if your circle sees you are the cool guy 90% of the time, and have been for the past two years, their image of you remains even when you have an off day. > > Personally, I’m using pheros less often nowadays. Mostly if I’m meeting new people or want to change the impression I’m making. Hey, now I notice A LOT of girls post in men’s section. I started the trend with the female section - by commenting on journals and stuff. Anyways, it is great! welcome and stick around here 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/10 "2010-11-16T21:38:50Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Realize that many of the mones on human skin are not directly produced by your body but are a byproduct of bacterial action on sweat. Ever notice fresh sweat smells different than sweat after a 2-hour workout or running around all day in hot humid weather? > > The most common mone on human male skin is A1. Heat, moisture and bacteria act on it and break it down to anol. In turn, anol breaks down to anone. Anone breaks down to a funky scent similar to roadkill skunk. > > So how often you shower, weather, how active you are, health, diet, etc., are factors which directly control natural mone output. Wearing artificial mones don’t normally change hygiene habits or physical activity. > > I don’t experience self-medication effects from mones. However, some people do albeit normally with ever diminishing strength. Perhaps a person with a psychological dependance on mones may experience increased stress and sweat more if they stopped using mones. The addition sweat will result in increase mone production if they don’t shower too frequently and defeat it. you need to post more, cool guy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/11 "2010-11-16T22:55:58Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > Hey, now I notice A LOT of girls post in men’s section. I started the trend with the female section - by commenting on journals and stuff. > Anyways, it is great! welcome and stick around here 😃 Ah, so I can take off the fake beard and dinner jacket? ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/12 "2010-11-17T22:44:37Z")
> [@Butterfly](#): > > Ah, so I can take off the fake beard and dinner jacket? No, you don’t… your feminine allure itself, with or without fake ( OR real 😛) mustache is good enough, hotness 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/13 "2010-11-18T02:16:53Z")
I do so love a woman with a full beard. It just projects confidence, self-sufficiency, and yet just the slightest bit of vulnerability. Such women have a hard exterior, but on the inside, they really are quite tender. And everyone will be able to pick out your girl from miles away. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/14 "2010-11-18T05:38:52Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > I do so love a woman with a full beard. It just projects confidence, self-sufficiency, and yet just the slightest bit of vulnerability. Such women have a hard exterior, but on the inside, they really are quite tender. And everyone will be able to pick out your girl from miles away. Ah likes mah woman smooth! ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 8:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/15 "2010-11-18T08:24:02Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > Hey, now I notice A LOT of girls post in men’s section. I started the trend with the female section - by commenting on journals and stuff. > Anyways, it is great! welcome and stick around here 😃 Way to take credit for that…LMAO ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/16 "2010-11-18T12:59:29Z")
Hihihi, you men are crazy, LOL! ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/17 "2010-11-19T23:10:35Z")
> [@Butterfly](#): > > Hihihi, you men are crazy, LOL! Like you just realized it, NOW 🙄 hehe BTW, you come across as a NICE girl in all your posts… Good or bad, it is up to you to find out, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/18 "2010-11-20T02:51:49Z")
> [@Butterfly](#): > > Hihihi, you men are crazy, LOL! Like you just realized it NOW , hehe BTW, you come across as a NICE girl in all your posts… Good or bad? it is up to you to find out, right? 😉 I personally don’t think it is bad at all … ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-effects-become-permanent/43334/19 "2010-11-20T10:55:30Z")
I’m very nice to all those who are nice to me 😉 But really, I’m an eternal optimist. Everyday I wake up expecting the sun to shine, my bicycle to be where I left it and the men to be uncrazied. Thus, I start the day with a smile.