# Can pheromones make up for not being good looking? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 15, 2007, 12:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141 "2007-04-15T12:30:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/21 "2007-04-16T00:27:50Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > For people your age, looks don’t matter as much anyway. However Money does ,so work on that and behave with confidence with a slight bit of ego. No matter what they say women love to be treated like dirt. Women (people in general) are drawn to people people who can excite them emotionally, physically and spiritually. One could argue that SOME women are drawn to men who treat them like dirt because for better or worse, this particular person makes them feel alive with emotion. But it really is misguided to think that women (in a very general sense) love being treated like dirt. Women are drawn to men who can give them an experience that is significant to them…you can give a woman a feeling of significance without treating her like dirt. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/22 "2007-04-16T00:57:40Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Women (people in general) are drawn to people people who can excite them emotionally, physically and spiritually. One could argue that SOME women are drawn to men who treat them like dirt because for better or worse, this particular person makes them feel alive with emotion. > > But it really is misguided to think that women (in a very general sense) love being treated like dirt. Women are drawn to men who can give them an experience that is significant to them…you can give a woman a feeling of significance without treating her like dirt. I agree with you completely. I know of no women like that to be treated like dirt. There is a difference in following ones emotions and going for the bad boy attitude, but by no means does this mean treat them badly. I could be completely wrong though as I have never treated a woman like dirt before. I guess I’ll never know if you are right. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/23 "2007-04-16T02:10:39Z")
In my young, stupid and cocky days (college), I oft treated women like dirt. Why? I was a self-centered jerk mainly interested in bustin’ nut 'n didn’t care one iota for her feelings or a lasting relationship. Plus I had been hurt a few times and was practicing an immature method of self-protection. Oddly–if she’s really into you–it works for a short while. She tries even harder. Hell I took advantage of her even more. But eventually she leaves or, worse yet, extracts revenge on your sorry ass by bustin up your car and apartment (been there). Eventually I grew out of the young and angry stage and mellowed out. I still feel bad about some of the crap I pulled. What an arse. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 3:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/24 "2007-04-16T03:00:00Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Women (people in general) are drawn to people people who can excite them emotionally, physically and spiritually. One could argue that SOME women are drawn to men who treat them like dirt because for better or worse, this particular person makes them feel alive with emotion. > > But it really is misguided to think that women (in a very general sense) love being treated like dirt. Women are drawn to men who can give them an experience that is significant to them…you can give a woman a feeling of significance without treating her like dirt. extremely well said!!! ---
**Author:** ![fullmoonnow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fullmoonnow/32/1821_2.png) [@fullmoonnow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fullmoonnow)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 3:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/25 "2007-04-16T03:26:34Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > For people your age, looks don’t matter as much anyway. However Money does ,so work on that and behave with confidence with a slight bit of ego. No matter what they say women love to be treated like dirt. A prostitutes man, I see. ---
**Author:** ![fullmoonnow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fullmoonnow/32/1821_2.png) [@fullmoonnow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fullmoonnow)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/26 "2007-04-16T03:29:13Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > For people your age, looks don’t matter as much anyway. However Money does ,so work on that and behave with confidence with a slight bit of ego. No matter what they say women love to be treated like dirt. A prostitutes man, I see. Most professional [sex workers](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JinvH8RdIYs) can pretend they like anything as long as you pay them. ---
**Author:** ![fullmoonnow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fullmoonnow/32/1821_2.png) [@fullmoonnow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fullmoonnow)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/27 "2007-04-16T03:36:57Z")
Having said that, there are women who have suffered abusive relationships in the past and suffer from low self-esteem. They do not ‘like to be treated like dirt’ but conversely, believe that they are unworthy of any better. Some women have psychological problems and would even go so far as to purposely incite anger in their partners in order to experience his abusive nature. They are also by nature clingy and manipulative, occasionally suicidal, and all round nutjobs. Look up borderline personality disorder. Back onto topic now. ---
**Author:** ![leto44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@leto44](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leto44)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/28 "2007-04-16T09:41:46Z")
I know it would be different if I was rich or famous, but I’m not. Guess is ammo and IS for me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/29 "2007-04-16T17:50:12Z")
wow sexy’s back.. or not.. i need me a combo ---
**Author:** ![sam17](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sam17/32/1143_2.png) [@sam17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sam17)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/30 "2007-04-16T18:53:44Z")
> [@m3turbo](#): > > No matter what they say women love to be treated like dirt. ARE YOU FOR REAL??? _ **THAT’S** _ THE KIND OF IGNORANT COMMENTARY that makes you seem like the type of guy that would say that a girl was “asking for it” when she got raped & beaten because she was wearing a miniskirt. Though I don’t know, maybe you _ **ARE** _ that type of guy… I **pity** your target girl… ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/31 "2007-04-16T19:31:29Z")
> [@leto44](#): > > I know it would be different if I was rich or famous, but I’m not. Guess is ammo and IS for me. 🙂 Getting back on topic… You might want to consider A314. Being good looking is certainly an advantage, as it makes you stand out, and garners attention, which all makes building attraction easier. One can certainly make up for a lack of good looks by how he **presents** himself. Arguably this is more important than looks (but lets not go down that route again). This is where something like A314, which presents a strong DHV, can help you stand out, and get noticed. It can put you ‘above’ the average man, for better or for worse. Executed properly, it works wonders with the ladies. It creates a great sense of social ‘control’ which feels downright sexy. ---
**Author:** ![leto44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@leto44](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leto44)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/32 "2007-04-16T20:37:34Z")
> [@sam17](#): > > ARE YOU FOR REAL??? > > _ **THAT’S** _ THE KIND OF IGNORANT COMMENTARY that makes you seem like the type of guy that would say that a girl was “asking for it” when she got raped & beaten because she was wearing a miniskirt. > > Though I don’t know, maybe you _ **ARE** _ that type of guy… > > I **pity** your target girl… This is for the thread about “the good girls and the bad guys”! Yesterday a guy that I know, almost killed his girlfriend because she met his friend for a coffee! This is not for the first time he beats her. One of the times he did that, he made her to fall on her knees and to apologize\*. And she did it, not because she is made to, but because she wanted him to forgive her. I think some of the things are absolute truth for the good girls who like bad guys. For some girls who choose the “bad guy” it’s a hazadous choice, because this guy won’s stand a girl to cheat on him, not even a thought about it. The choice is hers. For me, hitting/beating a girl is a thing I wouldn’t do (well maybe if this saves her life or something), but understanding the “good girl - bad guy” relationship is the key to understand the thesis of m3turbo. ---
**Author:** ![leto44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/77aa72/32.png) [@leto44](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leto44)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/33 "2007-04-16T20:47:58Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Getting back on topic… > > You might want to consider A314. > > Being good looking is certainly an advantage, as it makes you stand out, and garners attention, which all makes building attraction easier. > > One can certainly make up for a lack of good looks by how he **presents** himself. Arguably this is more important than looks (but lets not go down that route again). This is where something like A314, which presents a strong DHV, can help you stand out, and get noticed. It can put you ‘above’ the average man, for better or for worse. Executed properly, it works wonders with the ladies. It creates a great sense of social ‘control’ which feels downright sexy. I’m really thinking of doing that, but on the second purchase. Is there any cheap A314 mix for the first one (which is not sold out)? ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/34 "2007-04-16T22:11:04Z")
> [@leto44](#): > > I’m really thinking of doing that, but on the second purchase. > > Is there any cheap A314 mix for the first one (which is not sold out)? [MX172-173 for 29.90](https://pheromonelabs.com/) ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/35 "2007-04-16T23:39:18Z")
> [@sam17](#): > > ARE YOU FOR REAL??? > > _ **THAT’S** _ THE KIND OF IGNORANT COMMENTARY that makes you seem like the type of guy that would say that a girl was “asking for it” when she got raped & beaten because she was wearing a miniskirt. > > Though I don’t know, maybe you _ **ARE** _ that type of guy… > > I **pity** your target girl… Little bit of rape fetish there Sam17? I never said anything about harming anyone and I certainly never condoned raping anybody. As far as the miniskirt thing ,don’t vent at me because someone assumed you were easy. My comment was written from a man’s point of view to another man. I will re-word it so maybe you will ease up a bit. Many girls fall in love with aspects of guys who are often times brash, arrogant, and inconsiderate because they see potential in them. They believe that they can tweak or mold this person into a loving and loyal boyfriend but that is almost never the case. This is a sort of trap that many women find themselves in frequently. If you are a nice guy it is to your advantage to exploit this trap and learn how to act like a shitbag and get girls chasing after you to try to change you. If you are a nice person changing into a caring and loyal boyfriend should not be a stretch. This will lead to fruitful and significant relationships with women. So women are attracted to being treated like dirt. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/36 "2007-04-16T23:55:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Yesterday a guy that I know, almost killed his girlfriend because she met his friend for a coffee! This is not for the first time he beats her. One of the times he did that, he made her to fall on her knees and to apologize\*. And she did it, not because she is made to, but because she wanted him to forgive her. > > I think some of the things are absolute truth for the good girls who like bad guys. Prisons are full of women, after so many years of abuse, realized their folly and blew away their man’s sorry arse or poisoned him. I especially like the Maria Babitt story (blade lady). So being a “bad guy” can be a hazadous choice for the guy too. ---
**Author:** ![bmthint](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bmthint/32/1283_2.png) [@bmthint](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bmthint)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 12:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/37 "2007-04-17T00:14:59Z")
its not all about the facial features that can attract a girl. start staying well shaven, groomed, and start hittin the weights. i used to be skinny and skrawny but i started lifting and eating right and u can improve ure own self esteem and other peopl;s perception of u ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/38 "2007-04-17T01:49:45Z")
Wow Sam17 have a little bit of a rape fantasy there? I never said anything about being abusive nor did I avocate raping anyone. As far as the miniskirt thing , don’t vent at me because someone assumed you were easy. I wrote that comment from a guys point of view from one guy to another. Let me translate it for you Sam17. Many women fall for brash, arrogant , and tenacious guys under the misconception that they can be converted into loyal and loving companions and boyfriends which is almost never the case. If a nice guy can learn to convince women that he is an arrogant dipshit to the point where they want to change him then making the conversion to being a nice boyfriend is not much of a stretch at all. This tactic can lead to many fruitful and meaningful relationships with women . I don’t know how that turned into some feminazi rant. P.S To Fullmoonnow83 the explanation as to why women seek out jerks is irrelevent . The fact that women do seek out jerks is enough to vindicate my statement. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 11:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/39 "2007-04-18T11:25:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Let me translate it for you Sam17. Many women fall for brash, arrogant , and tenacious guys under the misconception that they can… i didnt know you were a doctor…🙂 i would think a woman would know what another woman thinks better than a young guy would, but i think if you are really that in tune with women and what they think and what they want and why they do what they do, _then all the men here would be doing a great service to themselves_ watching the example you provide to their community. kudos,m3turbo. repeatedly telling someone that was obviously disturbed by your comment that she has a fetish for what terrifies her was a brilliant and kind thing to do. 🙄 now im going to tell Sam17 that being here is **asking** for an anxiety attack ! _most_ women do not belong in the men’s forum, because of posts like yours. 🙂 > [@](#): > > If you are a nice guy it is to your advantage to exploit this trap and learn how to act like a shitbag and get girls chasing after you to try to change you. If you are a nice person changing into a caring and loyal boyfriend should not be a stretch. This will lead to fruitful and significant relationships with women. So women are attracted to being treated like dirt. classy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141/40 "2007-04-18T15:22:45Z")
Maybe shitbag is a very POOR choice of word! I get plenty of attention by acting like a challenge, but have never needed to act like something I loathe to get a girl. It didn’t sound in any way shape or form that sam17 has some type of perverted rape fetish, but was simply expressing an opinion. Opinions are the entire basis of the forum, albeit scientific fact, and everyone should be able to express those freely without having to be accosted. We all banter, especially Lor and I, but never should it be allowed to cross the line of personal attacks. m3turbo IMHO your ideology speaks volumes in your reply to sam17. You should try reading theories on Social Dynamics (PUA), you would be amazed how far off base you really are. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheromones-make-up-for-not-being-good-looking/3141.md?page=3)