# Can pheros help me win her heart? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 6, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030 "2009-10-06T00:07:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Spydc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Spydc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spydc)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/1 "2009-10-06T00:07:05Z")
There is a young woman I met a few months ago who coincidentally lives in my same building. According to a family member, she was always attracted to me but we never really bumped into each other… so I gave her my cell phone number and the rest is history. In any event, after our first conversation together, I was extremely attracted to her. It isn’t just about looks for me although she is a cutie. She got out a really bad relationship and didn’t even want to think about another relationship. I got out of a relationship myself. We started hanging out a lot and had sex a few times. Things were kinda of moving pretty fast which was partly my fault and she pretty much freaked out. She felt she was not ready to love again and to get into another emotional relationship. She wants time to find herself. To top it off, mostly everyone in her family likes me and have been pressuring her to be with me. She told me that she didn’t feel in love with me but she cared a lot about me.. she wanted only to be friends. This was tough for me but I figured I’d try. Nevertheless, her family members continue to tell me that she likes me a lot and she is just scared of getting hurt again. There were even a few times when we were drunk that she told me she loved me and that she is scared. She also mentioned that she struggles everyday because she wants to be with me but at the sametime she needs time for herself. But we did kiss and hold each other. I didn’t really think too much of this because we were obviously drunk because when she is sober it is a completely different story. So now i turn to the help of pheros. She is obviously torn and doesn’t know if she can trust any man long term, and she has problems letting out her true emotions. Are there any pheros available that can help in this situatoin? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/2 "2009-10-06T00:22:33Z")
A short answer. No. Now for a more complete answer. She needs time, figure a month for every year of the relationship, if it was serious. Don’t pressure her. Be there for her. When you touch her, make it like a man touching a woman, not a friend touching a friend. Try some of the social mones, like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty, you can throw in a bit of Ammo occasionally, but not too often at this point. You can use more Ammo later as she begins to let the past relationship fade. You might want to look into getting some A1 from Love-Scent since IFM won’t be available here. Test it on yourself away from her as some men (just a few) report depression from it. This has a relaxing, calming effect on women. Above all, give it time. Hope that helps, I know some, especially the younger guys will disagree with me, but my 2 cents. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/3 "2009-10-06T00:23:01Z")
I feel for you there. I have been in a situation like that before. If you really want to make it work, then pheros could help. IO IH CTTM all feel good open up pheros. Maybe some IG to make her feel trust towards you. P96, a little advanced, and not stocked might help as well. However they are not going to make her instantly make her get over her relationship issues. That will take time and trust. You will have to devote the time and help build the trust. In my case, I said screw the waiting. I found someone else, and I ended up marrying my wife. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/4 "2009-10-06T00:42:20Z")
You need to find yourself. Do you want the girl? Then you Take the Girl, Let nothing stand in your way. If you are just after sex, then nothing can help you. ---
**Author:** ![Alfa1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Alfa1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alfa1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/5 "2009-10-06T00:45:01Z")
Both very good answers above. your only 29, if you think it will work out in the end… Wait. However, not to long. But defiantly back off and let her grieve the end of the last relationship or that baggage will end up in yours (like it already has by the sounds of it). Good luck ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/6 "2009-10-06T00:53:21Z")
Emotions of the moment–mood, aggression, sexual desire–are the realm of mones. Matters of the heart are largely unaffected by mones. So, [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) won’t help you win her heart or her soul. That’s wholly between you and her. And they certainly won’t erase the hurt of a past relationship. That takes time, and lots of it. However a little TAA and A1 may help relax her when she’s around you, and putting her at ease is a good thing. And the right mones, perhaps a dab of androstenone, might help bring out her horniness. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/7 "2009-10-06T00:58:47Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > You need to find yourself. > > Do you want the girl? > > Then you Take the Girl, Let nothing stand in your way. > > If you are just after sex, then nothing can help you. DJ, in this case, I think your advice is too aggressive. Letting nothing stand in the way of taking the girl means not having any consideration for her as a valid emotional being. This will tell her she is of no consequence to you, and just another conquest. She needs to know she is not getting into another bad relationship, she needs to heal, and she needs to know that yes, he is a man, but he is also a man who understands that she is worth something. My advice is to listen to MtnJim. I would have said exactly what he did. ---
**Author:** ![zodiacore](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zodiacore/32/480_2.png) [@zodiacore](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zodiacore)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/8 "2009-10-06T01:00:10Z")
Actually… This is what got me to believe in pheromones. About 6 months ago this amazing girl broke up with me because she wasn’t interested in me anymore. I still occasionally hang out with her. Just about two weeks ago I tried on pheromones and hung out with her and some friends. I had acted the same as I usually do I wasn’t confident with the pheromones because I diddn’t think they would work FOR HER because I thought she already looked at me only as a friend. It turns out I thought wrong. My friend (who is also her friend) had told me that she all of a sudden started liking me again and had that interest like she did before. If she diddn’t just come out of a bad relationship I would try to get with her but I want her to feel comfortable before I try anything. All i’m really saying it these pheromones do help. I no longer doubt them 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/9 "2009-10-06T01:14:23Z")
At least from my own experience, pheros can help her to get more clear about how she feels for you. When I first met my girlfriend I was phero’d up with some heavily sexual mixes that led things forward VERY quickly. Then she got concerned about how quickly things were moving forward. She still liked me but was concerned about whether or not our relationship had a chance. I backed off on the sexual stuff, concentrated on the social pheromones like [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), IO and IH and wearing them around her helped (as did P96 but that is pretty advanced) her to see that I was a great guy that was also a good choice for her. The most important thing I did was to stay relaxed, be myself and act like myself around her. Doing the PUA thing didn’t work for me. What worked for me was being my usual goofy, funny self. Be yourself and use pheros that emphasize what a great catch you are. Just my 2 cents. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Alfa1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Alfa1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alfa1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/10 "2009-10-06T01:14:29Z")
> [@zodiacore](#): > > It turns out I thought wrong. My friend (who is also her friend) had told me that she all of a sudden started liking me again and had that interest like she did before. If she diddn’t just come out of a bad relationship I would try to get with her but I want her to feel comfortable before I try anything. All i’m really saying it these pheromones do help. I no longer doubt them 🙂 Sounds like “rebound…” be careful… unless you are just after some fun with her. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/11 "2009-10-06T03:55:02Z")
After thinking about it, I have to change my answer just on one point. Skillfully used, yes, they can help. But they can ONLY help. They can only HELP. Skillfully used means you have to know what pheromones are right to use together to mesh with your natural signature to gently shift the mood in the direction you want. It’s very difficult to do without a LOT of understanding, because there are nearly infinite variables to work with. If you don’t have an excellent understanding of the pheromones, the doses and how they interact and what effect they have, you’re as likely to blow it as help yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Spydc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Spydc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spydc)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/12 "2009-10-06T04:17:41Z")
Thanks for the replies everyone. She is usually the type that falls in love quickly. Her last relationship ended almost 8 months ago. You would think that was enough time but it still isn’t. She was living together with the guy and everything. When we met.. things seemed to move very quickly but she is a very closed off and confused with her feelings. Right now she tries so hard to pretend that she doesn’t want more than friends. It is kind of hard for me too because everytime I see her, I just want to hug and kiss her… I don’t know how much I can take of this “friend” status. I don’t think “friends” hang out this much. But i don’t want to pressure her at all. It is just crazy mixed signals that I get. In fact, this past weekend, when we both got drunk in her mom’s house. Her mom is really cool and likes me alot. She also tells her to be with me. Anyway, she kept telling me how much she loved me and we ended up having the craziest sex we ever had in a while.. and we are supposedly friends at this point. But of course, the day after she was acted like nothing happened. Maybe I should just try to ignore her. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/13 "2009-10-06T04:26:59Z")
> [@Spydc](#): > > Thanks for the replies everyone. She is usually the type that falls in love quickly. Her last relationship ended almost 8 months ago. You would think that was enough time but it still isn’t. She was living together with the guy and everything. When we met.. things seemed to move very quickly but she is a very closed off and confused with her feelings. Right now she tries so hard to pretend that she doesn’t want more than friends. It is kind of hard for me too because everytime I see her, I just want to hug and kiss her… I don’t know how much I can take of this “friend” status. I don’t think “friends” hang out this much. But i don’t want to pressure her at all. It is just crazy mixed signals that I get. > > In fact, this past weekend, when we both got drunk in her mom’s house. Her mom is really cool and likes me alot. She also tells her to be with me. Anyway, she kept telling me how much she loved me and we ended up having the craziest sex we ever had in a while.. and we are supposedly friends at this point. But of course, the day after she was acted like nothing happened. Maybe I should just try to ignore her. This girl is ruled by her emotions, and is extremely sensitive emotionally. She probably has a hard time letting go of ANYTHING emotionally. 8 months isn’t too long to be unable to get over a LTR. Don’t accept friend status if that’s not what you want. And tell her so. “Look, I can’t be your friend. That’s not what you are to me.” But you can’t push either. So you have to make her want you. Don’t have sex with her when she is drunk. I would tell her that pretending it didn’t happen is not cool. 'Course, I don’t touch drunk girls. But make her understand that sex isn’t just an emotionless experience for you. And make sure she knows you won’t let her disregard your feelings by using you for sex, either. I’d probably tell her that friends isn’t acceptable, and when she is ready for more, if that’s what she wants, to let you know. Then, go live your life. She’ll either find you or she won’t. Either way, you win. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/14 "2009-10-06T04:41:35Z")
> [@](#): > > She is usually the type that falls in love quickly. Her last relationship ended almost 8 months ago. You would think that was enough time but it still isn’t. Well, plenty of people, myself included, take years to get over a deep relationship gone south. It reminds you daily not to let yourself ever be that vulnerable again. Hence the pulling back when things heat up too much. > [@](#): > > Don’t have sex with her when she is drunk. I would tell her that pretending it didn’t happen is not cool. 'Course, I don’t touch drunk girls. But make her understand that sex isn’t just an emotionless experience for you. And make sure she knows you won’t let her disregard your feelings by using you for sex, either. Actually, drunk women are great and the best sex partners, especially if you’re drunk too. Not so fun if you’re sober. I avoid women whom don’t drink or smoke weed. Too prissy and no fun out on the town or while traveling. Unless, of course, you want a permanent designated driver… ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 11:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/15 "2009-10-06T11:06:40Z")
I read a study/article recently that said the way to fall in love or get someone to fall in love with you was to reveal you inner secretes and feelings, the more you both share the more you will fall in love. From what i can see this is about pair bonding as you are creating a unique and personal experience. Of course no guarantee with love. For this IH would be good. ---
**Author:** ![Spydc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Spydc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spydc)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/16 "2009-10-06T16:03:22Z")
Well guys.. I don’t want to give up on her just yet. I really think that she really wants me and is just scared of getting hurt. And I think she just tells me bold statements such as “she is not in love with me” or that “i care for her more than she cares for me” and that “she doesn’t believe she will ever be in a relationship” because she is trying to force me to distant myself from her in order to protect herself. There are some deep feeling that she is suppressing from me, so I went ahead and purchased the folowing: [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) Instant Honesty Instant Gentlemen A314 Turn up the heat. I’m going to focus on just using IO and IH to see if I can get her to be completely honest with me and reveal those suppressed feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/17 "2009-10-06T16:53:05Z")
> [@Spydc](#): > > Well guys.. I don’t want to give up on her just yet. I really think that she really wants me and is just scared of getting hurt. And I think she just tells me bold statements such as “she is not in love with me” or that “i care for her more than she cares for me” and that “she doesn’t believe she will ever be in a relationship” because she is trying to force me to distant myself from her in order to protect herself. > > There are some deep feeling that she is suppressing from me, so I went ahead and purchased the folowing: > > Instant Openness > Instant Honesty > Instant Gentlemen > A314 > Turn up the heat. > > I’m going to focus on just using IO and IH to see if I can get her to be completely honest with me and reveal those suppressed feelings. IO + IH will get the conversation going, but you have to be ready to steer it. I found that out last weekend…everyone loosened up a lot, but we ended up talking about everything from sex to Obama to food. Some of the more fun conversations I’ve had in a while, but not what I was looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Spydc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Spydc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spydc)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/18 "2009-10-06T16:57:11Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > IO + IH will get the conversation going, but you have to be ready to steer it. I found that out last weekend…everyone loosened up a lot, but we ended up talking about everything from sex to Obama to food. Some of the more fun conversations I’ve had in a while, but not what I was looking for. Thanks for the suggestion. How much IO + IH should I apply and to where? Can I also have regular cologne on as well or will it mask the effects? ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/19 "2009-10-06T17:26:56Z")
> [@Spydc](#): > > Thanks for the suggestion. How much IO + IH should I apply and to where? Can I also have regular cologne on as well or will it mask the effects? Regular cologne should be fine as long as it doesn’t contain pheros already. I used two sprays each and it got the girls good and chatty. Depends on your environment though…it’s rather dry and chilly here, so the pheros don’t disperse as well. ---
**Author:** ![Spydc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Spydc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spydc)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030/20 "2009-10-07T15:12:18Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Regular cologne should be fine as long as it doesn’t contain pheros already. I used two sprays each and it got the girls good and chatty. Depends on your environment though…it’s rather dry and chilly here, so the pheros don’t disperse as well. If I use two sprays each of IO and IH, how long does it last before applying more? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-pheros-help-me-win-her-heart/33030.md?page=2)