# Can prolonged lack of sexual activity cause a drop in natural phero production? **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [March 12, 2009, 9:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986 "2009-03-12T09:34:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![reliance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@reliance](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reliance)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 9:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/1 "2009-03-12T09:34:45Z")
I don’t know much about the science behind [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) production or what affects it. (sorry if this is in the wrong place) ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/2 "2009-03-12T09:41:34Z")
Not sure of pharo drop… but self esteem would no doubt LOL ---
**Author:** ![reliance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@reliance](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reliance)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 9:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/3 "2009-03-12T09:54:54Z")
Well I was thinking along the lines of priests/monks/etc. who have taken vows of celibacy, not just some guy who never gets laid (since he could still masturbate). ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/4 "2009-03-12T10:06:36Z")
hmmm… this is a good question, I look forward to a good answer, I was merely providing comic relief. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/5 "2009-03-12T13:17:32Z")
Just so you know I am moving this post the the Pheromone Theory section. It will be better served there 😉 Well there are not nearly enough studies on this subject but basically abstainace will not lower your normal hormone levels therefore we can conclude it will not lower your natural and normal output of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). However responsible sex can increase your health and level of hormones therefore in theory it can increase your levels of pheromone output. It widely and scientifically proven that sex is good for physical and mental health. For instance … Its proven every time you have a orgasm levels of DHEA Dehydroepiandrosterone increase in response to ejaculation and sexual stimuli. DHEA can increase the immune system repair tissue and even work as a antidepressant Both testosterone levels and Estrogen levels are boosted through sexual activity In one of the most credible studies correlating overall health with sexual frequency, Queens University in Belfast tracked the mortality of about 1,000 middle-aged men over the course of a decade. Its findings, published in 1997 in the _British Medical Journal_, were that men who reported the highest frequency of orgasm enjoyed a death rate half that of those who abstained from sex. Other studies show that having responsible sex even just a few times a month can improve… > [@](#): > > - **Improved sense of smell:** After sex, production of the hormone prolactin surges. This in turn causes stem cells in the brain to develop new neurons in the brain’s olfactory bulb, its smell center. > > - **Reduced risk of heart disease:** In a 2001 follow-on to the Queens University study mentioned above, researchers focused on cardiovascular health. Their finding? That by having sex three or more times a week, men reduced their risk of heart attack or stroke by half. In reporting these results, the co-author of the study, **Shah Ebrahim** , Ph.D., displayed the well-loved British gift for understatement: “The relationship found between frequency of sexual intercourse and mortality is of considerable public interest.” > > - **Weight loss, overall fitness:** Sex, if nothing else, is exercise. A vigorous bout burns some 200 calories–about the same as running 15 minutes on a treadmill or playing a spirited game of squash. The pulse rate, in a person aroused, rises from about 70 beats per minute to 150, the same as that of an athlete putting forth maximum effort. British researchers have determined that the equivalent of six Big Macs can be worked off by having sex three times a week for a year. Muscular contractions during intercourse work the pelvis, thighs, buttocks, arms, neck and thorax. Sex also boosts production of testosterone, which leads to stronger bones and muscles. _Men’s Health_ magazine has gone so far as to call the bed the single greatest piece of exercise equipment ever invented. > > - **Reduced depression:** Such was the implication of a 2002 study of 293 women. American psychologist **Gordon Gallup** reported that sexually active participants whose male partners did not use condoms were less subject to depression than those whose partners did. One theory of causality: Prostoglandin, a hormone found only in semen, may be absorbed in the female genital tract, thus modulating female hormones. > > - **Pain-relief:** Immediately before orgasm, levels of the hormone oxytocin surge to five times their normal level. This in turn releases endorphins, which alleviate the pain of everything from headache to arthritis to even migraine. In women, sex also prompts production of estrogen, which can reduce the pain of PMS. > > - **Less-frequent colds and flu:** Wilkes University in Pennsylvania says individuals who have sex once or twice a week show 30% higher levels of an antibody called immunoglobulin A, which is known to boost the immune system. > > - **Better bladder control:** Heard of Kegel exercises? You do them, whether you know it or not, every time you stem your flow of urine. The same set of muscles is worked during sex. > > - **Better teeth:** Seminal plasma contains zinc, calcium and other minerals shown to retard tooth decay. Since this is a family Web site, we will omit discussion of the mineral delivery system. Suffice it to say that it could be a far richer, more complex and more satisfying experience than squeezing a tube of Crest–even Tartar Control Crest. Researchers have noted, parenthetically, that sexual etiquette usually demands the brushing of one’s teeth before and/or after intimacy, which, by itself, would help promote better oral hygiene. > > - **A happier prostate?** Some urologists believe they see a relationship between _in_frequency of ejaculation and cancer of the prostate. The causal argument goes like this: To produce seminal fluid, the prostate and the seminal vesicles take such substances from the blood as zinc, citric acid and potassium, then concentrate them up to 600 times. Any carcinogens present in the blood likewise would be concentrated. Rather than have concentrated carcinogens hanging around causing trouble, it’s better to evict them. Regular old sex could do the job. But if the flushing of the prostate were your only objective, masturbation might be a better way to go, especially for the non-monogamous male. Having sex with multiple partners can, all by itself, raise a man’s risk of cancer by up to 40%. That’s because he runs an increased risk of contracting sexual infections. So, if you want the all the purported benefits of flushing with none of the attendant risk, go digital. A study recently published by the _British Journal of Urology International_ asserts that men in their 20s can reduce by a third their chance of getting prostate cancer by ejaculating more than five times a week. > > While possession of a robust appetite for sex–and the physical ability to gratify it–may not always be the cynosure of perfect health, a reluctance to engage can be a sign that something is seriously on the fritz, especially where the culprit is an infirm erection. > > Dr. **J. Francois Eid** , a urologist with Weill Medical College of Cornell University and New York Presbyterian Hospital, observes that erectile dysfunction is extension of vascular system. A lethargic member may be telling you that you have diseased blood vessels elsewhere in your body. “It could be a first sign of hypertension or diabetes or increased cholesterol levels. It’s a red flag that you should see your doctor.” Treatment and exercise, says Dr. Eid, can have things looking up again: “Men who exercise and have a good heart and low heart rate, and who are cardio-fit, have firmer erections. There very definitely is a relationship.” > > But is there such a thing as too _much_ sex? > > The answer, in purely physiological terms, is this: If you’re female, probably not. If you’re male? You betcha. > > Dr. **Claire Bailey** of the University of Bristol says there is little or no risk of a woman’s overdosing on sex. In fact, she says, regular sessions can not only firm a woman’s tummy and buttocks but also improve her posture. > > Dr. **George Winch Jr.** , an obstetrician/gynecologist in Elko, Nev., concurs. If a woman is pre-menopausal and otherwise healthy, says Dr. Winch, her having an extraordinary amount of intercourse ought not to pose a problem. “I don’t think women can have too much intercourse,” he says, “so long as no sexually transmitted disease is introduced and there’s not an inadvertent pregnancy. Sometimes you can have a lubrication problem. If you have that, there can be vaginal excoriation–vaginal scrape.” > > Women who _abstain_ from sex run some risks. In postmenopausal women, these include vaginal atrophy. Dr. Winch has a middle-aged patient of whom he says: “She hasn’t had intercourse in three years. Just isn’t interested. The opening of her vagina is narrowing from disuse. It’s a condition that can lead to dysparenia, or pain associated with intercourse. I told her, ‘Look, you’d better buy a vibrator or you’re going to lose function there.’” > > As for men, urologist Eid says it’s definitely possible to get too much of a good thing, now that drugs such as Viagra and Levitra have given men far more staying power than may actually be good for them. > > The penis, says Eid, is wonderfully resilient. But everything has its limits. Penile tissues, if given too roistering or prolonged a pummeling, can sustain damage. In cases you’d just as soon not hear about, _permanent_ damage. > > “Yes,” says Dr. Eid, “It is possible for a young man who is very forceful and who likes rough sex, to damage his erectile tissue.” The drugs increase rigidity; moreover, they make it possible for a man to have second and third orgasms without having to wait out intermission. > > “I see it in pro football players,” says Eid. “They use Viagra because they’re so sexually active. What they demand of their body is unreasonable. It’s part of playing football: you play _through_ the pain.” This type of guy doesn’t listen to his body. He takes a shot of cortisone, and keeps on going. And they have sex in similar fashion." > > There’s a reason the penis, in its natural state, undergoes a period of flaccidity: That’s when it takes a breather. The blood within it is replenished with oxygen. “During an erection,” explains Eid, “very little blood flows to the penis. During thrusting, pressure can go as high as 200 mil of water. Zero blood flows into penis at that time.” To absorb oxygen, the tissue must become relaxed. “If you do not allow the penis to rest, then the muscle tissue does not get enough oxygen. The individual gets prolonged erections, gets decreased oxygen to tissue, and could potentially suffer priapism.” (We recommend you get a medical encyclopedia and look it up.) “The muscle becomes so engorged, it’s painful. Pressure inside starts to increase. Cells start dying. More pressure and less blood flow. Eventually the muscle dies. Then there’s scarring. That’s why it’s considered an emergency.” However this doesn’t mean I am suggesting you all run out and hit it LOL Abstinence has its purpose and benefits as well. Lack of sex will not harm your health or pheromone output. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/6 "2009-03-12T13:34:10Z")
I have been telling my wife for years it was good for my health … Tish - do you have a link for that study - I am going to email it to her … thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/7 "2009-03-12T14:26:23Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > I have been telling my wife for years it was good for my health … > > Tish - do you have a link for that study - I am going to email it to her … thanks! since most of us here wouldnt mind more sex, i believe the study ought to be printed and sent with every order. ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/8 "2009-03-12T15:23:57Z")
Hmm if I had to take a guess it would be that abstinence would be more likely to increase pheromone levels rather then lower them. If I’m not mistaken there’s a negative feedback on the testosterone production when you have sex, so the testosterone level get lower after while. So having no sexual activity would mean a bit higher levels of testosterone. Testosterone is responsible for the production of at least -none so that would give more -none. But you’d have to search for scientific reports about the negative feedback thing, I’m not 100% certain, I can’t search them for you right now. Have to learn the last 100 pages before the test tomorrow 9 am (it’s 16:20 pm here so I really really have to study now ☹) ---
**Author:** ![AshesBlue](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ashesblue/32/895_2.png) [@AshesBlue](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AshesBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/9 "2009-03-12T20:57:39Z")
Well I believe that oxytocin is produced when you have sex w/a partner, it gives you that closesness feeling. I remember my bf telling me that when he started having sex, that he stopped breaking out. But he made it sound like when he had sex w/a partner (as oppose to alone lol), that is what cleared up his skin. So having sex w/a partner encourages certain hormones that masterbating doesnt? But yeah Id think just masterbating would lower the amount of Testosterone in the body and that is a major factor in acne. So youd think that alone would affect it. So yeah Id think a build of up testosterone could possibly affect your phero’s? But then again sex could create more phero’s that you wouldnt have if you didnt have sex w/a partner. Im just thinking outloud so dont jump on me if Im just plain wrong, please. :o Personally, I do not think it is healthy for humans in general to not ever have some sort of sex(be it masterbating or w/a partner). It is natural human behavior. And whlie Priests aren’t suppose to mastebate, they are still human and I am pretty sure some/many do still masterbate, just to stay sane. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/10 "2009-03-12T22:48:56Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > I have been telling my wife for years it was good for my health … > > Tish - do you have a link for that study - I am going to email it to her … thanks! [Sex and death: are they related? Findings from the Caerphilly cohort study – Smith et al. 315 (7123): 1641 – BMJ](http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/315/7123/1641?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=Queens+University%252C+Belfast&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&fdate=1/1/1997&tdate=12/31/1997&resourcetype=HWCIT) > [@overlord](#): > > Hmm if I had to take a guess it would be that abstinence would be more likely to increase pheromone levels rather then lower them. > If I’m not mistaken there’s a negative feedback on the testosterone production when you have sex, so the testosterone level get lower after while. > So having no sexual activity would mean a bit higher levels of testosterone. > Testosterone is responsible for the production of at least -none so that would give more -none. > > But you’d have to search for scientific reports about the negative feedback thing, I’m not 100% certain, I can’t search them for you right now. Have to learn the last 100 pages before the test tomorrow 9 am (it’s 16:20 pm here so I really really have to study now ☹) Actually this is debatable, There are reports from years ago that indicate not having sex would increase levels but current studies now sate the opposite. > [@](#): > > Testosterone levels are directly related to aggression (generally, the higher the testosterone level the more aggressive the individual). Common belief states that testosterone (male hormone) is depleted with sexual activity. Clinical studies have proven this to be false (Oct. 2000 Journal of Sports Medicine). > > Actually, just the opposite is true. Sexual activity increases testosterone levels, and long periods of abstinence (six to 12 weeks – a short drought for some people) significantly lowers levels (in many cases, to levels commonly seen in children). In contact and combat sports, increased aggression would likely be viewed as a benefit provided by increased testosterone levels. There are a few other studies I have seen [SpringerLink - Journal Article](http://www.springerlink.com/content/ex81g84768642505/) Same study different journal [A research on the relationship between ejaculation…[J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr] - PubMed Result](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241?dopt=Abstract) > [@](#): > > Chinese researchers conducted a study in 2003, and enlisted twenty-eight male volunteers to abstain from ejaculation for a period of one week. The participants were tested daily for deviations on serum testosterone levels. The Chinese study was the first to measure the influence of ejaculation frequency on serum testosterone levels, and the results are provocative. > > Researchers found that abstaining from ejaculation for six days had no impact on serum testosterone levels. On the seventh day, serum testosterone levels peaked to 145.7% of baseline, and then declined rapidly on the eighth day.7,8 > > Researchers believe testosterone declined on day eight from the negative feedback suppression of Leutinizing hormone secretion. Leutinizing hormone is essential for testosterone production, and LH determines free testosterone levels. Suppression of LH would decrease serum testosterone levels, returning them to baseline. The study determined that the frequency of sexual activity and ejaculation impacted testosterone levels. > > Research is useful inasmuch as it can be applied to provide direction. Based on the latest scientific research on sexuality and sexual behaviour as it relates to physiological function, here is chronological sequence of action that best utilizes the findings of the research: > > Because testosterone levels are minimized in the presence of elevated insulin levels, the pre-workout meal should consist of lipids and protein - both of which have negligible impacts on insulin levels. > > Research demonstrates that testosterone levels rise as a response to sexual stimuli. Therefore, an athlete could benefit pre-workout by being exposed pre-workout to sexual stimuli. The athlete could then exercise with increased testosterone levels and aggression. > > Post-workout, the athlete should consume a protein drink with flax oil or olive oil. Lipids facilitate the passive permeation of the cell wall by sex hormones. > > One hour post-exercise, the athlete should achieve ejaculation. This will increase the natural level of killer cells, thus increasing immune-system function and enhancing recovery abilities. The increase in killer cells will prevent over-training. > > You may also choose to postpone the achievement of ejaculation for seven days so as to maximize testosterone on a day of the athletes choosing - i.e. on the hardest training or competition day. If the athlete chooses this protocol, ejaculation should be achieved on the seventh day, post workout and according to the above protocol, so as to avoid the negative feedback suppression of LH demonstrated on day eight of abstinence. > > Sexual activity is an integral part of human life. > > Science is only now beginning to understand the impact of sexual activity on immune-response and hormone profile, but one thing is clear: sexual forces underlie all human behavior, and correctly manipulated sexual activity can improve physical health. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/11 "2009-03-12T23:09:18Z")
From the two studies you’ve shown me I can’t really pick one over the other. Neither of the two journals seem very big or highly rated, propably the journal of sports medicine over the chinese universities own journal. I’ll look tomorrow and see if I can find a article in nature or something 🙂 I wasn’t totally certain that’s why I asked to verify it 🙂 Well if sexual activities lower the testosterone levels then it should also lower some pheromone levels. Which ones are hard to tell at this time, there is so much we don’t know about this subject. 🙂 As for the question wether your body knows wether or not one is masturbating or having real sex I doubt it. Maybe that the genitals exchange some hormonal information, but that would be canceled with the use of condoms. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/12 "2009-03-13T00:52:11Z")
The abstract shows that abstinence from sex doesn’t do much of anything to your testosterone levels except on the 4 or 5 day when it spikes then declines. Sexual activity increases testosterone levels. Your right though there is not enough good info out there on this just involving sex over abstinence. Most studies include alcoholism or Vasectomy. I Look forward to your info on the subject 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/13 "2009-03-13T03:48:23Z")
Thanks for the articles Tish. ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/14 "2009-03-13T11:59:14Z")
Ah I found an article about the subject: From **_Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence_, M S. Exton et al., World journal of Urology volume 19, number 5/ november 2001 pages 377-382** > [@](#): > > Abstract This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males. Other then that and the one you provided I couldn’t find any relevant articles. The journal of urology is a better/more trustworthy journal. But then again the study is slightly older. Even science is not absolute and until there are more studies on this subject you can’t really tell whether testosterone levels rise or drop and what happens to pheromone production accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/15 "2009-03-13T13:04:22Z")
My guess is that the answer is age-dependent. pheromone levels are correlated with hormone levels. For healthy young people, abstinence will probably not decrease hormone levels. For older people with declining hormone levels, they may be in a “use it or lose it” situation. In this case, hormone levels may very well decline with abstinence. There may be some studies on age dependence, but I’m not aware of them. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/16 "2009-03-13T13:24:07Z")
I have a great many different journals I use, some I pay for membership to but I use a lot of free ones as well. I dont rely on just the larger publications. I think all scientific studies conducted have value. Look at the data collected here. Androtics is small and may not be published in the big popular journals but the work they do is valid just the same. Thanks for your quote overlord reps, I do have that abstract in my file. Here are some interesting ones I came across in there. I think they are Pub Med > [@](#): > ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Halpern%20CT"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Halpern%20CT%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus)) > [@](#): > > Halpern CT ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Halpern%20CT"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Halpern%20CT%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus)), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Halpern%20CT"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Halpern%20CT%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Udry JR](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Udry%20JR%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Halpern%20CT"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Halpern%20CT%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Suchindran C](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Suchindran%20C%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus). > Carolina Population Center/University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 27516-3997, USA. > Strong relationships between one-time serum testosterone (T) measures and sexual activity have been demonstrated in cross-sectional analyses of adolescent males. However, a subsequent longitudinal study of a separate adolescent sample, using semiannual plasma measures, failed to replicate cross-sectional findings. The present study reexamined the relationship between T and sexual activity using more frequently collected measures of salivary T and behavior. Saliva samples and weekly behavior checklists were collected over a 2-year period from the same panel sample of males on which semiannual analyses were based. Saliva samples representing measures approximately every fourth week of study participation were selected for T assay. The association between these monthly salivary T measures and weekly reports of incidents of sexual activity was assessed with repeated measures analyses. Higher levels of salivary T were significantly associated with an increasing hazard of coital initiation, and with more frequent coital and noncoital activity. Within-individual change analyses demonstrated that increases in salivary T were associated with increased sexual activity. Comparisons of models that varied specimen type, schedule of T measurement, and type of behavioral report indicated that all three factors contribute to the varying magnitude of hormone/behavior relationships that are demonstrated. These findings are consistent with a biosocial model of adolescent sexual development that pubertal changes in T are a causal factor in the timing of sexual initiation and the frequency of activity during adolescence. > PMID: 9795726 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Halpern%20CT"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Halpern%20CT%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus)) This one is sort of related. BH may be interested in it. > [@](#): > ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus)) > [@](#): > > Corona G ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus)), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Mannucci E](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Mannucci%20E%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Ricca V](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Ricca%20V%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Lotti F](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Lotti%20F%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Boddi V](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Boddi%20V%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Bandini E](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Bandini%20E%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Balercia G](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Balercia%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Forti G](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Forti%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus), ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus))[Maggi M](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Maggi%20M%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus). > Andrology Unit, Department of Clinical Physiopathology, University of Florence, Florence, Italy. > Summary In males, testosterone (T) levels decline with ageing. Several symptoms characteristic of the ageing process are similar to those related to hypogonadism. The aim of the present study was to evaluate the specific association among hypogonadism-related symptoms and signs and the ageing process. A consecutive series of 1647 (mean age 52.4 +/- 13.1 years) male patients with sexual dysfunction were investigated. Several hormonal and biochemical, instrumental and psychological parameters were studied. The parameters significantly associated with total levels in the entire cohort, after adjustment for confounders, were studied as a function of age and T quartiles. In all age quartiles, low T was associated with higher waist circumference and triglyceride levels and with an increased prevalence of metabolic syndrome. The prevalence of hypoactive sexual desire decreased as a function of T only in the youngest (17- to 42-year old) age quartile as well as the reported reduction in nocturnal erections. In the oldest age quartile, we found an inverse relationship between T levels and the prevalence of severe erectile dysfunction and a positive relationship with intercourse frequency. Accordingly, in the oldest age quartile, subjects with higher T levels showed better penile flow at penile colour doppler ultrasound as well as a better lipid profile. Finally, an inverse association between somatized anxiety and T levels was observed only in the oldest age quartile. In conclusion, our study shows for the first time that in subjects with sexual dysfunction, some hypogonadism-related symptoms can be age-specific. In particular, low T is associated with sexual dysfunction more often in the oldest subjects. ([http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term="Corona%20G"[Author]&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed\_RVAbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Search&Term=%22Corona%20G%22%5BAuthor%5D&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus)) I guess we can all agree on one thing. Sex is natural sex is fun 😃 [I want your sex](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV5j_85FJ5s) Oh well cant be embedded but you can click on it 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/17 "2009-03-13T13:52:49Z")
Hmm yeah of course it’s true that all studies have importance, but when two studies have opposite outcomes one should look at them closely and decide which one you want to trust. And yeah sex is a lot of fun ^^ The articles are for Gone with the wind? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/18 "2009-03-13T13:56:57Z")
> [@](#): > > The articles are for Gone with the wind? Huh LOL No I said BH. Bosshank He trying to convience his wife sex is good for you 😃 ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/19 "2009-03-13T14:08:01Z")
Haha oh sorry I missed the BH 🙂 Of course sex is good for you ^^ otherwise it would feel bad right? 😛 But yeah there are still a lot of people who believe that if something feels that good it must be doing something very bad too. Edit: Good luck Bosshank 😃 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986/20 "2009-03-14T15:33:06Z")
> [@overlord](#): > > Ah I found an article about the subject: > From > **_Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence_, M S. Exton et al., World journal of Urology volume 19, number 5/ november 2001 pages 377-382** > > Other then that and the one you provided I couldn’t find any relevant articles. The journal of urology is a better/more trustworthy journal. But then again the study is slightly older. > > Even science is not absolute and until there are more studies on this subject you can’t really tell whether testosterone levels rise or drop and what happens to pheromone production accordingly. A couple of points. The study was extremely small - 10 men. It doesn’t give the information of how long after orgasm the plasma concentrations of testosterone were measured. And there was no follow up. If the plasma concentrations of testosterone were made immediately after orgasm, the only thing you can say is immediately following orgasm, testosterone levels are lower. Was there a subsequent spike or did the testosterone levels stay low? We don’t know. Diane [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-prolonged-lack-of-sexual-activity-cause-a-drop-in-natural-phero-production/26986.md?page=2)