# Can sweet spots change? **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [November 9, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257 "2012-11-09T17:38:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/1 "2012-11-09T17:38:19Z")
Hey From my understandings, the body’s natural mone production mirrors the personality. So if you’re extremely outgoing and open minded you will produce more -nol than an introverted person, right? That would mean that if your personality changes, which isn’t surprising - it happens all the time after all, your natural mone production changes together with it hence your sweet spots change as by applying mones, you’re merely adding extra mones so you get the desired dosage. But if you naturally produce more, **the dosage of additional mones required to get the same results will be lower.** Now let’s break this down in an example. Of course the whole process of personality change can take weeks, months, or even years. We got an introverted person. That person wants to become a PUA and decided to socialize more. To achieve better communication flow, he uses IO (and other -nol based products). He gets really awesome results with them and after 10 weeks of constant approaching he gets rid of his approach (&social) anxiety once & for all. His personality changes from introverted to outgoing and social within a few months. From my understandings, the body would naturally produce more -nol to mirror the personality. Thus he would require less extra IO (& others) in order to get desired results. Let’s call it sweet spot shifting. While his IO sweet spot range was at 2-3 at first, it shifted to 1-2. Is this possible? **Feel free to correct me!** I’m not an expert. In fact, that’s why I’m asking. Don’t take my theory for granted! Thanks for reading and please /discuss 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/2 "2012-11-09T22:23:51Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > Hey > > From my understandings, the body’s natural mone production mirrors the personality. So if you’re extremely outgoing and open minded you will produce more -nol than an introverted person, right? > > That would mean that if your personality changes, which isn’t surprising - it happens all the time after all, your natural mone production changes together with it hence your sweet spots change as by applying mones, you’re merely adding extra mones so you get the desired dosage. But if you naturally produce more, **the dosage of additional mones required to get the same results will be lower.** > > Now let’s break this down in an example. Of course the whole process of personality change can take weeks, months, or even years. > > We got an introverted person. > That person wants to become a PUA and decided to socialize more. > To achieve better communication flow, he uses IO (and other -nol based products). He gets really awesome results with them and after 10 weeks of constant approaching he gets rid of his approach (&social) anxiety once & for all. His personality changes from introverted to outgoing and social within a few months. > > From my understandings, the body would naturally produce more -nol to mirror the personality. > Thus he would require less extra IO (& others) in order to get desired results. > Let’s call it sweet spot shifting. While his IO sweet spot range was at 2-3 at first, it shifted to 1-2. > > Is this possible? > > **Feel free to correct me!** > I’m not an expert. In fact, that’s why I’m asking. > Don’t take my theory for granted! > > Thanks for reading and please /discuss 🙂 I am not sure about the social changing but it does seem to be a logical theory. As far as sweet spot changing on products like [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and TUTH though of course they will change as we age, the older we get the more we can use with out OD. IO makes it easier for you to talk to people and socialize as well as making you easier to talk to and seeming more approachable. Now think about this, just because you see a super outgoing girl somewhere having fun, socializing,etc you aren’t necessarily going to be able to approach her easier than a girl who isn’t, it could even make the approach a little bit hard but really depends on you, so if she was producing more Nol it should make it easier for you to talk to her or atleast I assume it would. I’m sure Steve, Mobo, John, Tish, or 1alpha would all have good input on this topic as well and plus much more experience than I do. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/3 "2012-11-10T02:57:32Z")
Your identifier mones dont change rapidly. These speak more about who you are and your base personality. Your base personality really never changes. If your an introvert you will always be an introvert however you learn skills to cope with it and your personality doesn’t really change it grows so you improve. The base always remains though even if your less anxious and coping with it better that introverted part of you will always be there. Signalers are more about your moods. These speak something about how you feel at that given time and illicit similar feelings in those exposed to it. For example anol or IO would indicate your feeling friendly and open to conversation so people feel open as well and talk to you more. These change with mood so if your naturally feeling open and talkative and your using IO its just enhancing that. If your not feeling that way it will also enhance it but not to the degree you would when you are feeling that way. This is why we talk about congruence and having to put effort in and why for some people it seems effortless when they use mones and others have to work a bit harder. Its also why more of the social type mones have a wider range for a sweet spot and the identifiers like Anones have a narrower range and can backfire easily. So for some [pheromones](https://a314.com/) your theory is partly correct. When your feeling social you are making more of those signalers so you could get away with using a lower dosage in your range on those days. But moods change rapidly from other outside sources and from that base personality we all hold onto, so its not a permanent change. The next day you may need more again. On a side note, I am pretty talkative which I am sure you noticed LOL That doesnt mean I dont have my introverted moments though. When I am feeling introverted, usually due to some outside source that is influencing my feelings, IO is great because it pulls me out of that but when my personality is at its base… Extroverted, I cant use IO that much. It enhances my outgoingness to the point of annoyance and makes me unfocused. It also makes my mind to busy. Dont get me wrong IO is wonderful and I love it. But to much combined with your natural personality is like looking into the sun. The sun is great, it illuminated and warms the world but if you stare directly into it it will burn your retinas out. LOL So you do need to adjust. Its part of what makes mones so hard for some to understand and use effectively. There is a large learning curve and you just have to jump right in and learn as you go. Breaking it down… Your break down in black and mine in red We got an introverted person. They will always introverted in personality its part of there nature. That person wants to become a PUA and decided to socialize more. They make a conscious decision to improve that part of their personality To achieve better communication flow, he uses IO (and other -nol based products). He gets really awesome results with them and after 10 weeks of constant approaching he gets rid of his approach (&social) anxiety once & for all. They use mones and it helps, they feel less anxious and more confident His personality changes from introverted to outgoing and social within a few months. Their personality has grown but the base remains. From my understandings, the body would naturally produce more -nol to mirror the personality. They do however feel better and are in a more optimistic so there mood changes to reflect that and so does the dose they may need of some mones. Thus he would require less extra IO (& others) in order to get desired results. A dosage in the lower range of there sweet spot may work best for them now. Let’s call it sweet spot shifting. While his IO sweet spot range was at 2-3 at first, it shifted to 1-2. Your range now becomes 1 to 3 sprays not 1 to 2 because some days you will revert to your natural personality depending on whats going on in your life and environment. Now lets use an enviromental example of why it would shift. Suppose this person who decided to become a PUA go’s to a handful of clubs in their area to practice and uses IO to enhance that. It works and his/her dosage go’s down to 1 or 2 sprays. Then his friend calls and says “Hey lets go to the mall and see who we can pick up” They go and because its a new environment and the mall is not as easy as a club to pick people up in, he/she reverts right back to there natural personality or nature. Now suddenly 1 to 2 sprays is not pulling you out of your introverted comfort zone and your back to needing 2 to 3 sprays. Dosage changes over time, It changes with mood, It changes with environment, It changes with intention. Thats why we have a range. Its your job to work with those other variables and learn what works best for you with those changes. Thats why testing pheromones in a lab setting sucks. You cant really because there are other variables that come into play. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/4 "2012-11-10T06:08:15Z")
Extremely helpful - thank you. Why does the base personality never change? Maybe not rapidly when you work on it yourself; however let’s say a trauma happens changing you from social to 200% introverted. Not just mood - it’s something wrong with the psyche. So your base personality changes. Also, as you call it, when other people notice “you’re a completely different person than before”, it’s just a temporary mood shift? Doesn’t make so much sense to me. The majority of the rest does, tho. I understand that you may still be introverted and not outgoing on parts of your life you haven’t made a habit yet - like approaching on the streets - so the personality reflects how you handle such uncomfortable situations. I guess that’s what you call ‘base personality’. Thank you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/5 "2012-11-10T07:34:14Z")
From my understanding, correct me if I’m wrong, is that hormone levels determine the amount of pheromones produced by the body. The only way to know if your hormone levels are high or low is to take a blood test. If a male’s testosterone levels are high and his body is lean and muscular he probably is producing a lot of [male pheromones](https://phero.com/) such as Androstenone and Androsterone, his estrogen levels are probably low due to his muscular physique and low body fat and that will make him a lot more intimidating, but attractive at the same time, it would be hard for him to wear AMMO or TUTH as he’s already naturally attractive and physically appealing, he would now use socials such as IO to compliment his natural signature and decrease his perceived intimidation factor. When a male’s testosterone levels are low, not really muscular and when he’s got a lot of estrogenic fat floating around in the area’s such as the belly or chest, he’s probably less sexual appealing to most of the women and not intimidating at all, using IO would make him appear like a goof ball, in this case complimenting his natural signature with AMMO or TUTH would benefit him a lot more and make him more sexually appealing. These examples are quite extreme, but should give an idea how things work, that’s why there’s no perfect combo, everybody’s body chemistry is different. Sweet spots change based on environment, how many people are around, male/female ratio in the testing environment. Psychologically, when wearing a product over time you might get accustomed to it, and you might not even need it any more, or less sprays, you have conditioned your brain with the state the pheromone is inducing, it’s the same when you expose your self to fearful events, giving enough exposure, over time you lose the fear. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/6 "2012-11-10T14:26:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Maybe not rapidly when you work on it yourself; however let’s say a trauma happens changing you from social to 200% introverted. Not just mood - it’s something wrong with the psyche. So your base personality changes. Mental illness can changes a persons base personality and perhaps severe mental and physical trauma but not your everyday stressors like anxiety nervousness, fear etc etc. Those are emotions we all feel at some point. They may help shape and grow your personality but that base personality still remains. I assumed you were talking but a regular nontraumatized person who decides to go into PUA > [@](#): > > Also, as you call it, when other people notice “you’re a completely different person than before”, it’s just a temporary mood shift? Doesn’t make so much sense to me. Pheromones dont make you a totally different person then before and neither does growth in personality. Can you improve and enhance your personality ? Yes you can but your base personality is part of your nature. Part of your biology. Base personality is traits like introverted, extroverted , positive, negative , brave ( a risk taker), timid (not one to take risks) etc etc… These are traits that are part of the base personality. Now can a timid person become a risk taker. Sure but they will still always biologically be a timid person. Take actors for instance. You would think someone who gets up on a stage all the time would be extroverted and not nervous but many many actors will tell you they are a wreck before they go on stage. No matter how long or how well they do it its part of there base personality, there biology. Doesn’t mean the cant do it though. Ok here is another example sort of opposite of the example you used for the introverted PUA person. I am extroverted, Now I can try to be more introverted if but its against my nature. Sure there are times when I pull into myself but the second I am not consciously thinking about trying to be introverted I will revert right back to my natural state. You cant change that. You can get better at it but that trait is part of you. There is a difference between “Moods” and “personality traits”. Traits are a part of you. Moods come and go. You traits can steer you towards feeling certain moods more then others though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/7 "2012-11-10T16:48:40Z")
> [@still18](#): > > From my understanding, correct me if I’m wrong, is that hormone levels determine the amount of pheromones produced by the body. The only way to know if your hormone levels are high or low is to take a blood test. > > If a male’s testosterone levels are high and his body is lean and muscular he probably is producing a lot of male pheromones such as Androstenone and Androsterone, his estrogen levels are probably low due to his muscular physique and low body fat and that will make him a lot more intimidating, but attractive at the same time, it would be hard for him to wear AMMO or TUTH as he’s already naturally attractive and physically appealing, he would now use socials such as IO to compliment his natural signature and decrease his perceived intimidation factor. > > When a male’s testosterone levels are low, not really muscular and when he’s got a lot of estrogenic fat floating around in the area’s such as the belly or chest, he’s probably less sexual appealing to most of the women and not intimidating at all, using IO would make him appear like a goof ball, in this case complimenting his natural signature with AMMO or TUTH would benefit him a lot more and make him more sexually appealing. > > These examples are quite extreme, but should give an idea how things work, that’s why there’s no perfect combo, everybody’s body chemistry is different. Sweet spots change based on environment, how many people are around, male/female ratio in the testing environment. > > Psychologically, when wearing a product over time you might get accustomed to it, and you might not even need it any more, or less sprays, you have conditioned your brain with the state the pheromone is inducing, it’s the same when you expose your self to fearful events, giving enough exposure, over time you lose the fear. I actually talked about something like this in my journal that I had noticed from my own personal experiences wearing ammo and other sexual mones in the gym, mall etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-sweet-spots-change/57257/8 "2012-11-14T07:30:16Z")
Thanks a ton for all your oppinions. 🙂