# Can too much pheromones... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 18, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756 "2016-12-18T22:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![angry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cc9497/32.png) [@angry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/angry)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/1 "2016-12-18T22:31:54Z")
Hi guys, I tried googling but I couldn’t find an answer. Sorry if it has been posted before. Would you guys mind helping me out? **Let’s suppose we release NATURAL [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and it has been proved by science, just for the sake of argument. OK??** So I did some things that made my testosterone rise HIGH AS HELL! I started getting stares from women too. Here’s the thing: people that used to be all nice to me, now avoid me. MEN especially. **I treat EVERYONE nice and respectfully, just as before.** Nothing changed. Could it be that my “natural pheromones” **now** are doing this? What do you guys think? I searched and found out this OD thing. As in too much pheromones can cause the opposite to happen…? WTF? I’m totally confused… **How the hell can too much pheromones that turn women on actually make them ignore you?? Are they intimidated? It looks like they are intimidated… WTF? Does this really happen?!** Please help me out, give me info, tell me what you think. Anything helps. Thank you ! ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/2 "2016-12-18T22:42:13Z")
Yes OD is a really good thing. I have purposely OD’d a couple times and the results were obvious. What did you do to drive your testosterone levels so high? It is hard to image driving them that high naturally (ie without [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) sprays) but what you describe certainly sounds like an OD. bosshank ---
**Author:** ![angry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cc9497/32.png) [@angry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/angry)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/3 "2016-12-18T22:47:59Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > Yes OD is a really good thing. I have purposely OD’d a couple times and the results were obvious. > > What did you do to drive your testosterone levels so high? It is hard to image driving them that high naturally (ie without pheromone sprays) but what you describe certainly sounds like an OD. > > bosshank hey boss, just tons of fat, insane weight workouts, a lot of specific minerals and vitamins, naturally good testosterone, abstinence. Took nearly a year. it really rose. anyway, could you talk a little more in depth about your answer? Why do you think it was this… OD thing? Do you believe people are getting intimidated by my natural pheromones? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/4 "2016-12-18T23:08:37Z")
The pheromone AndrosteRone is a metabolite of testosterone. This is known as the status pheromone. And it gives you the appearance of someone who is of great value. This can obviously be desirable to women and a threat to other men, hence the results you’ve mentioned. So in theory, the higher testosterone you produce, the higher AndrosteRone you’ll subsequently produce. I see the same thing happen on certain exercise regimens and taking certain supplements. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/5 "2016-12-18T23:14:17Z")
OD is when you have an excessive amount of pheromones emanating from your person’s, often too much to be perceived as a good thing from those around you. If you’re committed to your current physical routine and supplementation, you can balance out the excessive Androsterone by using Androstenone products (TUTH, IJ) with AndrosteNol based products (IH, IO, CTTM2). ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/6 "2016-12-18T23:28:05Z")
Progesterone and pregnenolone are the androstene precursors. No known impact of testosterone. Sweat contains nanomolar amounts of androstenes, not thought to be greater than about 300 nanograms. Pre-2000 sweat studies were done on obsolete low-resolution equipment. Newer hi-res software fails to confirm androstenone in sweat or body odor. Body odor is caused by volatile organic fatty acids with no similarity to androstenone or androsterone. ---
**Author:** ![angry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cc9497/32.png) [@angry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/angry)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/7 "2016-12-18T23:38:47Z")
Thanks for the info Jdub. > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Progesterone and pregnenolone are the androstene precursors. No known > impact of testosterone. > > Sweat contains nanomolar amounts of androstenes, not thought to be > greater than about 300 nanograms. > > Pre-2000 sweat studies were done on obsolete low-resolution equipment. > > Newer hi-res software fails to confirm androstenone in sweat or body odor. > > Body odor is caused by volatile organic fatty acids with no similarity > to androstenone or androsterone. Sorry, I’m not sure I follow…?? Could you dumb down the explanation please? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/8 "2016-12-18T23:46:19Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Progesterone and pregnenolone are the androstene precursors. No known > impact of testosterone. Actually, they all are.. Androsterone and its 5β-isomer, etiocholanolone, are produced in the body as metabolites of testosterone. Testosterone is converted to 5α-dihydrotestosterone and 5β-dihydrotestosterone by 5α-reductase and 5β-reductase, respectively. The enzyme 3α-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase converts the reduced forms to 5α-androstanediol and 5β-androstanediol, which are subsequently converted by 17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase to androsterone and etiocholanolone, respectively. Androsterone and etiocholanolone can also be formed from androstenedione via the action of 5α-reductase and 5β-reductase forming 5α-androstanedione and 5β-androstanedione which are then converted to androsterone and etiocholanolone by 3α-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase and 3β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, respectively.[8] - ^ a b c Kaminski RM, Marini H, Kim WJ, Rogawski MA (June 2005). “Anticonvulsant activity of androsterone and etiocholanolone”. Epilepsia. 46 (6): 819?27. doi:10.1111/j.1528-1167.2005.00705.x. PMC 1181535Freely accessible. PMID 15946323. - [Androsterone - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androsterone) ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/9 "2016-12-18T23:51:43Z")
The amount of androstenone in sweat would rarely go over a few hundred nanograms. Androsterone comes from apocrine sweat. In the nanogram range but no exact number. No direct connection to testosterone. Note that the sweat pathway isn’t the bloodstream. Specifically, the path is odorless apocrine androstene esters, broken down by hydrolysis (enzymes) to yield androsterone. The esters are eliminated from blood as water-soluble conjugates into the urine and body fluids. Steroid metabolites are excreted into urine and sweat this way. Urine amounts are far higher. ---
**Author:** ![angry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cc9497/32.png) [@angry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/angry)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/10 "2016-12-18T23:57:08Z")
Now I’m really confused. Anyway, the thing is, as soon as my libido came back, test levels were good, I started getting stares. So, I’m not sure what to think… ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/11 "2016-12-19T00:32:55Z")
I’m not talking about Androstenone, I’m talking about AndrosteRone. I agree AndrosteNone does NOT come from Testosterone. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/12 "2016-12-19T00:34:19Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > The amount of androstenone in sweat would rarely go over > a few hundred nanograms. > > Androsterone comes from apocrine sweat. In the nanogram range > but no exact number. > > No direct connection to testosterone. > > Note that the sweat pathway isn’t the bloodstream. > > Specifically, the path is odorless apocrine androstene esters, > broken down by hydrolysis (enzymes) to yield androsterone. > > The esters are eliminated from blood as water-soluble conjugates > into the urine and body fluids. > > Steroid metabolites are excreted into urine and sweat this way. > > Urine amounts are far higher. Are you suggesting the info I provided and their references are invalid? ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/13 "2016-12-19T00:35:51Z")
> [@angry](#): > > Now I’m really confused. > > Anyway, the thing is, as soon as my libido came back, test levels were good, I started getting stares. So, I’m not sure what to think… Haha sorry bud, and I agree. I’ve tested this out myself and every time I did anything to improve my test levels, in return I got a lot of more stares. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/14 "2016-12-19T04:21:18Z")
> [@angry](#): > > hey boss, just tons of fat, insane weight workouts, a lot of specific minerals and vitamins, naturally good testosterone, abstinence. Took nearly a year. it really rose. > > anyway, could you talk a little more in depth about your answer? Why do you think it was this… OD thing? Do you believe people are getting intimidated by my natural pheromones? People can be intimidated by a lot of things: It can simply be the fact that you are more in shape. You are probably a little more confident given the fact that you are now in much better shape and a lot of people take confident as cocky even if you are polite. It can be that now that your focus is on good healthy living, certain people feel embarrassed that they are not or perhaps with your change in lifestyle they feel like they don’t have as much in common with you. Some people do this weird thing whereby when you work hard to improve yourself, they think maybe you are being stuck up and then don’t want to talk to you even if you are not acting arrogant towards them. I have experienced most of this myself at one point or another except for the women staring at me because I am good looking. That never happens lol. Enjoy it. I am in pretty good shape and people know I do martial arts. So people always tend to think I am bigger than I really am. They are also a little intimidated by me although I am very friendly, always polite, and quick with a joke. I am always friendly and polite, just because I am, but also trying to offset this intimidation factor I have. I have never really found a good answer to it. As far as women staring at you now that you are in better shape - that may have as much to do with you looking good as anything else haha! bosshank ---
**Author:** ![angry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/cc9497/32.png) [@angry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/angry)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/15 "2016-12-19T10:50:52Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > People can be intimidated by a lot of things: > > It can simply be the fact that you are more in shape. > > bosshank Well, boss, that couldn’t be it, I’m overweight just as before. Even though I just lost 14 lb I look as overweight as before. I’m not intimidating either, I’m short, not an intimidating face at all. That’s why I’m thinking it’s something else… **Before my testosterone levels rose, there was this guy that said I’m their mascot, at work. He didn’t say this out of evil, it’s just that I was too cute and nice. Now he ignores me. Almost as if he was running away from me or something… LOL… wtf?** > [@Jdub](#): > > Haha sorry bud, and I agree. I’ve tested this out myself and every time I did anything to improve my test levels, in return I got a lot of more stares. Good to know I’m not going crazy. This is awesome, isn’t it?? Haha. **Anyway, should I wear deodorant or not? What do you guys think? I have some deodorant that smells kinda girly, since it’s cheap lol. Would it help “balance” the entire thing? I’m curious about this…** ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-too-much-pheromones/66756/16 "2016-12-19T18:03:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Good to know I’m not going crazy. This is awesome, isn’t it?? Haha. > > **Anyway, should I wear deodorant or not? What do you guys think? I have some deodorant that smells kinda girly, since it’s cheap lol. Would it help “balance” the entire thing? I’m curious about this…** It certainly is. And no you’re not going crazy. I spent some extensive time studying and field testing this myself. I have had my fair share of experimenting with different deodorants and what I’ve found is that unless you sweat profusely and can smell pit stench accompanied with deodorant easily, you should be fine. But if I were you I’d ditch girly scents for the simple fact they smell girly. I’ve also tested not wearing deodorant and I’ve found no difference in effects, only smell. Unless you abstain from pungent foods like garlic, onions, etc. and have plenty of sweet smelling foods like fruits, juice, sweet candies… I wouldn’t suggest going deodorant-less.