# Can using Shine and IO cause me to lose Dominance? **URL:** \ **Category:** A314 Insider's Club\ **Created:** [February 8, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-using-shine-and-io-cause-me-to-lose-dominance/36067 "2010-02-08T05:05:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-using-shine-and-io-cause-me-to-lose-dominance/36067/1 "2010-02-08T05:05:13Z")
A314 seems very much to be a Dominant Alpha Male product, not in the chest pounding caveman type of way but more socially dominant natural born leader type of way. Which is an effect I find appealing. But my question is I also want to be considered approachable and fun to be around too and I wonder if Shine and IO could create such a relaxed aura that the “strength” aura of A314 is lost in the mix. I know people say it’s hard to OD on social mones but if the abundance of socials causes a loss of the more masculine “strength and dominance” vibe I’d consider that an OD. Has anyone experienced this and what ratio’s have you used or do you recommend? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-using-shine-and-io-cause-me-to-lose-dominance/36067/2 "2010-02-12T20:28:02Z")
Bump because I’m still curious ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-using-shine-and-io-cause-me-to-lose-dominance/36067/3 "2010-02-12T22:30:37Z")
Yes, in a way it can but only by losing that perfect balance. This will require that you test different doses of a mix consisting of A314, IO, and IS (if that’s exactly what you’re using) so like that you can see which dosing requirement gives you that perfect balance of the social effects, while still maintaining that A314 vibe. So just try out different doses as mentioned and you’ll soon find that perfect “balance.” ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-using-shine-and-io-cause-me-to-lose-dominance/36067/4 "2010-02-12T22:39:56Z")
Checkout the “A314 Lore” thread it has many combos that have been reported on for A314. > [@RADMAN513](#): > > A314 seems very much to be a Dominant Alpha Male product, not in the chest pounding caveman type of way but more socially dominant natural born leader type of way. Which is an effect I find appealing. But my question is I also want to be considered approachable and fun to be around too and I wonder if Shine and IO could create such a relaxed aura that the “strength” aura of A314 is lost in the mix. I know people say it’s hard to OD on social mones but if the abundance of socials causes a loss of the more masculine “strength and dominance” vibe I’d consider that an OD. Has anyone experienced this and what ratio’s have you used or do you recommend? ---
**Author:** ![Sillykitty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sillykitty/32/1574_2.png) [@Sillykitty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sillykitty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/can-using-shine-and-io-cause-me-to-lose-dominance/36067/5 "2010-02-18T06:42:33Z")
[Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) goes well with A314, I’ve found. You still get the respect, but are more approachable and less intimidating. For a girl, wearing A314 by itself was a trip. In the supermarket, people literally scooted out of my way, it was almost too much. It could be because of my gender, but I find it much more wearable if I soften it with something else.