# " "Cancer" In A Bottle " **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 3, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167 "2011-09-03T04:33:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/21 "2011-09-03T19:29:32Z")
Tag it, make it a stickie (in the Lounge) and refer other trolls to it when they come, that way we can tell them to fuck off and read the medical research info that people accessed for the morons. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/22 "2011-09-03T19:34:47Z")
You really want to talk about cancer? Did you ever trying reading the ingredients on food labels and breathing the New Jersey air? ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/23 "2011-09-03T19:41:30Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > You really want to talk about cancer? Did you ever trying reading the ingredients on food labels and breathing the New Jersey air? In Sydney, the morning news gives the UV index, the surf report and the pollution index. There are days when they tell people who have breathing issues (asthma, bronchitis) **to not leave their houses!** So, move it to the Lounge and pass the IO! ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/24 "2011-09-04T02:00:45Z")
I wonder if this is the same guy who’s friend tested positive for steroids from mones 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/25 "2011-09-04T04:35:45Z")
> [@Blacky\_Chan](#): > > I wonder if this is the same guy who’s friend tested positive for steroids from mones 🙄 😮 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 7:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/26 "2011-09-04T07:24:12Z")
There’s a gaming forum I visit on occasion that has a special “read-only” forum that trolling and ridiculously stupid posts get moved to. Perhaps we need something like that. ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/27 "2011-09-04T09:03:43Z")
Ok guys, Nobody truly knows whats going to happen in the long run from spraying these products onto your skin. Just like research chemicals we do not know so before you either jump on the androtics bandwagon or fear monger train think for yourself. Its not too hard, a good first question to start off with would be Are there long term trials with these products?? No? well thats +1 to the unkown What are the implications of long term pheromone use? Anybody know? no? +2 to the unknown Does this result in any form of down regulation? Anybody.. once again?? well i do notice this can fuck with my natural production of pheromones but to what extent +3 to the unknown What long term harm may come from using these products? Well we have no idea +4 to the unknown Personally i will take the risk that i will get some form of cancer or that nothing will truly ever happen from using these products.. Either way cancer is usually inherited or caused by your own doings throughout life so i doubt this theory is true BUT I COULD BE WRONG!? use you head, do some research, make your own informed decision. I have been using these products for over two years and still haven’t developed cancer but thats not to say that it will never happen. Thats the exciting thing about using products that are on the bleeding edge of technology (or primitive to some) Do you roll the dice or dont you? The key is in your hands dont let some other muppet fool you into the making the decision that could or couldnt have long term damage Regards Kris ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/28 "2011-09-04T09:15:54Z")
Just from reading the other posts, There are some idiots on this forum. What medical research astrea??? you show me the papers that show phase III trials completed of androtics products? Right there are none, theres no need to one up yourself on this forum or whatever the hell your doing. You honestly sound like a shill It reminds me of melatonin and all the people who said that never done any harm what so ever and was so benign you could hammer the fuck out of it. Look at people who used it in heavy dosages for long periods of time, It builds up and binds to the receptors which will leave you with sleeping troubles for a looong time, i even remember reading it fucks with your hormone production after long term use. So guys use your head dont go spitting out miss-information that you have no idea about. I thought this community had brains NOWS THE TIME TO USE THEM ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/29 "2011-09-04T09:17:14Z")
on a side note: i still will be using my pheromones regardless of the impact. I think its worth it in every single way GO Androtics! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/30 "2011-09-04T09:40:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Ok guys, Nobody truly knows whats going to happen in the long run from spraying these products onto your skin. Just like research chemicals we do not know so before you either jump on the androtics bandwagon or fear monger train think for yourself. I am certainly not jumping on either bandwagon. When AD offers something I believe is possibly unsafe I speak up even though I love the hell out of them. Meo Est is just one I have spoken about here in the forum. I have always spoken against pubescent individuals using mones because they are still in stages of sexual development. AD removed A1 for health concerns even though they lost a great deal of money with the lose of IFM. On the other hand I do tell people to research and when they ask I tell them what I know… what I believe and then try to point them to the research they can read so they can make a informed decision. What people are objecting to is Drsnookerdoodle or what ever his name is presentation of the facts and his assumption that pheromone users are stupid and have not done research. Yes there are some who just use the products but there are a vast majority or us who have researched. You dont just come into someone else’s domain and make claims without backing them up with something. > [@](#): > > well i do notice this can fuck with my natural production of pheromones but to what extent +3 to the unknown Have you had blood work done or are you just assuming this because you feel different ? I am a long term user (12 years) and I do have blood work done. Pheromones natural or otherwise can spike certain hormones when they effect your neurotransmitters thats part of the signaling que but they always return to baseline. Certain foods and EO’s do the same thing. > [@](#): > > Are there long term trials with these products?? No? well thats +1 to the unkown Yes there are. I personally know many long time users. Those who have used mones for longer then I have and have no health complications from them. There are also studies with long term users. Pherine pharmaceuticals has done some extensive studies not only how mones can help medical conditions but there long term use. I do believe as you mentioned there is a gene or some other marker that HD’s sets off in a person. (again pheromones are not HD’s) My father died in a car accident when he was in his eighties. He smoked non filter cigs since the age of 12, used pesticide’s on our farm up until the organic craze hit in the 70’s and used plastics all the time. All things that are blatant DC’s and there was not a trace of cancer in this man. Why does it strike some and not others who are exposed to the same HD’s ? There has got to be some other contributor. Frankly I am more suspect of sugar. Studies have proven that cancer cells can not produce in a body that doesn’t have excess sugar for the cells to feed on. Read the labels on everything you eat and you would be surprised how many companies add sugar to even food thats not processed like meat. Purdue chicken being one of them. Even chicken broth has it. The truth in what your saying is that we all have to make the decision ourselves as to what is right or wrong for us. Just like we have to decide whether to eat sugar, take BC, dye our hair or avoid non organic foods. IMO pheromones are the lesser of the evils out there when it comes to possible DC’s. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/31 "2011-09-04T09:56:05Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I am certainly not jumping on either bandwagon. When AD offers something I believe is possibly unsafe I speak up even though I love the hell out of them. Meo Est is just one I have spoken about here in the forum. I have always spoken against pubescent individuals using mones because they are still in stages of sexual development. AD removed A1 for health concerns even though they lost a great deal of money with the lose of IFM. > > On the other hand I do tell people to research and when they ask I tell them what I know… what I believe and then try to point them to the research they can read so they can make a informed decision. > > What people are objecting to is Drsnookerdoodle or what ever his name is presentation of the facts and his assumption that pheromone users are stupid and have not done research. Yes there are some who just use the products but there are a vast majority or us who have researched. You dont just come into someone else’s domain and make claims without backing them up with something. > > Have you had blood work done or are you just assuming this because you feel different ? I am a long term user (12 years) and I do have blood work done. Pheromones natural or otherwise can spike certain hormones when they effect your neurotransmitters thats part of the signaling que but they always return to baseline. Certain foods and EO’s do the same thing. > > Yes there are. I personally know many long time users. Those who have used mones for longer then I have and have no health complications from them. There are also studies with long term users. Pherone pharmaceuticals has done some extensive studies not only how mones can help medical conditions but there long term use. > > I do believe as you mentioned there is a gene or some other marker that HD’s sets off in a person. (again pheromones are not HD’s) My father died in a car accident when he was in his eighties. He smoked non filter cigs since the age of 12, used pesticide’s on our farm up until the organic craze hit in the 70’s and used plastics all the time. All things that are blatant DC’s and there was not a trace of cancer in this man. Why does it strike some and not others who are exposed to the same HD’s ? There has got to be some other contributor. > > Frankly I am more suspect of sugar. Studies have proven that cancer cells can not produce in a body that doesn’t have excess sugar for the cells to feed on. Read the labels on everything you eat and you would be surprised how many companies add sugar to even food thats not processed like meat. Purdue chicken being one of them. Even chicken broth has it. > > The truth in what your saying is that we all have to make the decision ourselves as to what is right or wrong for us. Just like we have to decide whether to eat sugar, take BC, dye our hair or avoid non organic foods. > > IMO pheromones are the lesser of the evils out there when it comes to possible DC’s. > > Tisha Nice post Tisha Do you have the source for this sugar theory? It really does explain alot when i’ve consumed far too much sugar within a week and funny things start happening inside of me especially when binging on foods that are high in sugar Sorry could you point me to these long term trials, specifically Phase III trials in regards to androtics products because google is not helping one bit ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/32 "2011-09-04T10:01:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Look at people who used it in heavy dosages for long periods of time, It builds up and binds to the receptors which will leave you with sleeping troubles for a looong time, i even remember reading it fucks with your hormone production after long term use. You have used mones for what ??? 2 years compared to many of us who have used them for over 10 and you make these assumptions then have the nerve to call people idiots and say this community doesnt have brains. I suggest you look in the mirror buddy because you have said nothing factual at all and have made nothing but assuptions. I know no one who has had sleeping troubles from pheromones. Present your facts please. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/33 "2011-09-04T10:04:47Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > You have used mones for what ??? 2 years compared to many of us who have used them for over 10 and you make these assumptions then have the nerve to call people idiots and say this community doesnt have brains. > > I suggest you look in the mirror buddy because you have said nothing factual at all and have made nothing but assuptions. > > I know no one who has had sleeping troubles from pheromones. Present your facts please. > > Tisha Tisha, clam down When did i say pheromones have caused sleeping problems? I said MELATONIN which yes a hormone but i do not see it in any of these [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) being used Did you even read what i have to say. And yes i do have the nerve to say that WHEN THERE ARE ZERO TRIALS ON ANDROTICS LINE OF PRODUCTS I suggest you read more in depth instead of jumping the gun ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/34 "2011-09-04T10:07:43Z")
and you can not tell me that some other companys trials can be used to back up the safety of androtics line when there are so many variables. Also are you telling me that these people have been using these products within a trial situation? Monitored HR BP Blood Tests CATs etc. etc. Once again Show me Androtics PHASE III Trials? Because there are none. ---
**Author:** ![thundercat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thundercat/32/2345_2.png) [@thundercat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thundercat)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/35 "2011-09-04T10:13:19Z")
and if you really want to get technical about long term damage Lets go all the way back to the korean war which i must say was more than 10 years ago. GI’s were drinking chlorinated water throughout the whole war and were perfectly fine afterwards Yet what have they found out recently?? GI’s are dying of heart disease and other cardiac problems. But why?? THEY WORKED OUT IT WAS FROM the chlorinated water Sorry what was that? 10 years is enough of a safety profile tisha?? ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/36 "2011-09-04T10:40:29Z")
The Edit button… A friend to afterthoughts the world over. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/37 "2011-09-04T10:56:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Sorry could you point me to these long term trials, specifically Phase III trials in regards to androtics products because google is not helping one bit Androtics doesn’t publish there studies. You will have to speak to them to get that info and they dont just share it with anyone. My statement saying that there are long term studies was not in reference to AD products but pheromone in general and are not specific to one health concern. I should have been more clear in my post, I apologize for that. Here are some places you can start looking though. I have to browse through my files. I know I have lots of studies saved on health concerns but I dont have any on androtics products exclusively. The research I look for is based on each suspected pheromone and its effect when used internally and externally. Pherin Research Sorry I had a typo in my earlier post. Its not pherone is pherin which is probably why google was no help. Pherin has been testing for a long time and they may share there studies if you contact them They are testing mones as pherines. They are also are connected to natural [attraction.com](http://attraction.com) and Erox who teamed up with dial to make dial magnetic. Read many of the studies Athena Institute has conducted. Some involve long term use of mones and there effect. `http://www.athenainstitute.com/reflistwbc.html#Articlelist` Hate to point people to another pheromone site but JVKohl has a large archive on his blog. I know he lists many studies there I have read I just dont want to sift through them to find the ones your looking for but you can `http://pheromones.com/` I will dig up some more and place them in the studies and abstract section. If your not a member of pub med you can only read a brief outline though. Edit to add \>\>\>\>\>\>\> > [@](#): > > When did i say pheromones have caused sleeping problems? In post 28 you didnt have it in the same paragraph as when you were talking about melotonin so I assumed you were back on pheromones. My bad. > [@](#): > > Tisha, clam down I dont like clams to many HD’s in them 😉 but I am quite calm. I just find your name calling of members in here rude and uncalled for. > [@](#): > > Sorry what was that? 10 years is enough of a safety profile tisha?? No where do I really say they are perfectly safe, I said they are no more unsafe then everything else we are exposed to and we have to make the decision on what we feel is safe for ourselves. I just didnt call people names while expressing that. Oh and here is some info on sugar [http://www.sciencemag.org/content/123/3191/309](http://www.sciencemag.org/content/123/3191/309) Google Otto Warburg who won a Noble prize for his work on cancer. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/38 "2011-09-04T12:20:52Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > You really want to talk about cancer? Did you ever trying reading the ingredients on food labels and breathing the New Jersey air? Castlerock, I know you were joking 😛 But actually several NJ towns And cities are highest on the clean air ratings including the number one spot. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/39 "2011-09-04T13:53:42Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Castlerock, I know you were joking 😛 But actually several NJ towns And cities are highest on the clean air ratings including the number one spot. But it’s still New Jersey, John. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167/40 "2011-09-04T21:27:04Z")
Lol, this thread is interesting. My personal take is that carcinogens exist everywhere. Even the perfume or dpg that the mones are in are potentially carcinogic. Correct me if I’m wrong but certain/if not most pheromones have chemical structures and formulae similar to hormones, steroids? Just a little bit of a fact, although I’ve just learnt this recently, that certain individuals are testing melatonin to see if it has pheromone like effects One thing I know for certain is that pheromones or not, other groups as well as companies (when it comes to pheros) are currently moving in the direction of researching molecules that behave similarly to pheromones (my opinion is that as long as there’re self effects and external effects on others it’ll be classified as such. You could douse yourself in marijuana essence for all I care and also claim its self and AOE effects are pheromone similar). I don’t know about AD, and I don’t know what really goes into their Putative line but I do know what its done for me and how its improved my game, and my life. I’ve brought this up with some even more adventurous friends than myself- “spraying ourselves with all this stuff might get us cancer” But one thing we all agreed upon which resonates with what P51 said in a nutshell “This stuff has improved our lives” For all you know we could be spraying liquified prozac, xanax, anti-depressants or benzopediacs or whatever on ourselves. Until Pheromones become mainstream science and the industry gets regulated with peer reviewed papers and proper “phero trials” (drug trials), we’ll never know what really goes into these products and whether any of these have long lasting effects, adverse or not. For those of us who have chosen this path, we should be well prepared to accept whatever consequences may come. (apart from tish’ opinion on growth I believe this is also why adolescents shouldn’t dabble in pheros as they need to make informed and responsible choices, they’re at an age where consequence is of little or no value) I believe in making our decisions eyes wide open. Many of us might have come to pheros because we were looking for something, lost something or lacked something. We might have made the jump but we shouldn’t continue in this journey blindly. Just like blindly lynching the phero movement is irresponsible, blindly following the phero movement is also irresponsible, both to yourself as well as those around you. In this day and age, most people go either way - Heart Attack or Cancer. But I’ve heard that the leading cause of death is well.. death. > [@thundercat](#): > > Nice post Tisha > > Do you have the source for this sugar theory? > > It really does explain alot when i’ve consumed far too much sugar within a week and funny things start happening inside of me especially when binging on foods that are high in sugar > > Sorry could you point me to these long term trials, specifically Phase III trials in regards to androtics products because google is not helping one bit [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cancer-in-a-bottle/52167.md?page=1)