# Center-of-attention/Charisma Pheromones/Putatives? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 23, 2007, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670 "2007-09-23T09:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TRDE59](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/trde59/32/412_2.png) [@TRDE59](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TRDE59)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/1 "2007-09-23T09:40:19Z")
Is there a pheromone that can enhance people’s perception of your charisma? The androstenols are nice, but random chattiness around me is useless if I’m not included in the conversation. Also, at a big frat party or club, everyone’s talking anyway, so the androstenols are useless. At least, according to my experiments. Androstenone and A314 work very well for me because they enhance my target’s perception of me. The androstenols don’t. They work on other people, making them chatty, but my targets don’t recognize me as the source of this social energy. They don’t make ME seem more interesting to talk to. In fact, I’m more likely to get ignored because I have all these heavy alpha male [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) which are intimidating, but nothing that makes me “appear” more friendly. You guys understand what I’m talking about? Is there a putative/experimone that can help with that center-of-attention/“hey you look like a cool guy to talk to” vibe I wanna put out? ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 10:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/2 "2007-09-23T10:00:25Z")
Have you tried MX104/MX105 instead of A314? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 10:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/3 "2007-09-23T10:16:04Z")
Shine 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 10:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/4 "2007-09-23T10:21:36Z")
Oh you do know you need to make a effort right? [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty work great but if you dont get in there and mingle then no product help. Also now that you know what each product does for you have you tried pairing Instant Openness with A314. The A314 will attract them to you and the Instant Openness will help them open up. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![TRDE59](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/trde59/32/412_2.png) [@TRDE59](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TRDE59)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/5 "2007-09-23T10:47:18Z")
Oh, I do. I make an effort to break into social circles and an effort to speak. I introduce myself and get to know people, and then the conversation goes right back to what they were talking about, which didn’t involve me. I want them to be more interested in me, you know what I’m saying, rather than just, “oh, some guy just came over here to listen to us.” Yes, I have tried A314 with both Scent of Eros and Spaceland, and the problems are the same as noted above. I don’t think A314 makes people percieve me as “fascinating.” They percieve me as “authoritative” or “intimidating.” Very similar to -none, although it shouldn’t be. Probably cause I’m so big (I’m 6’3" 235). Also, in one-on-one conversations with people I’ve just met (not so much with people I already know), it seems as though I have to do all the work to keep a conversation moving, even when I am wearing the nols. I want them to be interested by me and ask me questions, rather than me having to do ALL the work to keep a flow going and avoid awkward pauses. I guess the key word I’m going for is “interest.” Social interest, not necessarily sexual. Would shine really work? Cause from the testemonials it seems like it has an effect kind of like the nols(even though it’s a different feeling). People feel it when you’re around, but don’t necessarily attribute the feelings to you. I want something that is attributed to me like A314 or -none. Is shine this way, or am I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 12:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/6 "2007-09-23T12:51:14Z")
> [@TRDE59](#): > > Is there a putative/experimone that can help with that center-of-attention/“hey you look like a cool guy to talk to” vibe I wanna put out? [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is supposed to do exactly that! Search for Visionary’s great summation post about it and read your way through it… Shine as suggested by Tisha would be another great enhancement. ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/7 "2007-09-23T18:15:10Z")
oy vey. I tend to wind up the center of attention when I’m out. Usually when I’m not looking for it. but the party comes and finds me. I would go with something that makes you approachable, and couple it with androstenols. Perhaps also hang back a bit, so that people do gravitate to you, and eventually there will be a clump of shiny happy people bringing the party to you. This has been happening to me in bar/club settings for the last few months consistently. The only constant has been heavy androstenols. i think you are underestimating the effect you are having - as i said, if you hang back for a bit and watch the party coem to you, you will see that they are getting sucked into your vibe - whether they realize it or not. ---
**Author:** ![TRDE59](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/trde59/32/412_2.png) [@TRDE59](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TRDE59)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/8 "2007-09-25T07:51:01Z")
I got the last mx156 packet (sorry to those who wanted it 😛 ) which has p74 in it. Also got some IFM. Thanks for all the help, and please read my other post (#5) if you didn’t get to read it, yet. Dumb filter 😠 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 12:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/9 "2007-09-25T12:08:32Z")
> [@TRDE59](#): > > Oh, I do. I make an effort to break into social circles and an effort to speak. I introduce myself and get to know people, and then the conversation goes right back to what they were talking about, which didn’t involve me. I want them to be more interested in me, you know what I’m saying, rather than just, “oh, some guy just came over here to listen to us.” > > Yes, I have tried A314 with both Scent of Eros and Spaceland, and the problems are the same as noted above. > > I don’t think A314 makes people percieve me as “fascinating.” They percieve me as “authoritative” or “intimidating.” Very similar to -none, although it shouldn’t be. Probably cause I’m so big (I’m 6’3" 235). > > Also, in one-on-one conversations with people I’ve just met (not so much with people I already know), it seems as though I have to do all the work to keep a conversation moving, even when I am wearing the nols. I want them to be interested by me and ask me questions, rather than me having to do ALL the work to keep a flow going and avoid awkward pauses. > > I guess the key word I’m going for is “interest.” Social interest, not necessarily sexual. > > Would shine really work? Cause from the testemonials it seems like it has an effect kind of like the nols(even though it’s a different feeling). People feel it when you’re around, but don’t necessarily attribute the feelings to you. I want something that is attributed to me like A314 or -none. > > Is shine this way, or am I mistaken? [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), but you will have to do the work. Read Juggler’s work (particularly on the ‘vacuum’) and some of the pua stuff generally on ‘communicating value’. It’s a dangerous toy, but also take a look at ‘breaking rapport’ and ‘neutral rapport’ - sucking people into your reality rather than crossing over to meet theirs can be helpful at times. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 12:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/10 "2007-09-25T12:18:22Z")
One way of doing this (creating fascination) is via storytelling and role play. Tacitus has posted some hints on ways to become better at storytelling at an advanced level, but for some more basic stuff - Mystery’s DVDs and some stuff by Mehow - both are okay examples of what works for them, but I would steer clear of getting sucked in to an overly routine driven approach that isn’t you. do a search on ‘storytelling pua’ in google. also - work on your voice, facial expressions and body language. see posts by tacitus and by mharris on voice a while back. ‘set your voice free’ by roger love. if you’re doing it right and you go into a starbucks and order a coffee, heads should turn… ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2007, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/center-of-attention-charisma-pheromones-putatives/5670/11 "2007-09-25T22:42:24Z")
Is a deeper voice better than a controlled voice? For my size (5’9" 135lbs) I have a very very deep voice, but I can ‘control’ it and make it sound less. . . ballsy?