# Cheerleader Test **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 16, 2007, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610 "2007-01-16T16:23:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Thecoldtiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b3f665/32.png) [@Thecoldtiger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Thecoldtiger)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/1 "2007-01-16T16:23:24Z")
hmmmm I wonder what Turn up the heat, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), & Instant Shine would do to cheerleaders. my first thing is to go around them first & see how they act then go off some where in the high school then go & apply it. 3-4 shots of Turn up the heat, cuz usally cheerleaders like aggressive males plus it would give me a jock apprence 😃 . Im going to have my sister give me a visitors pass so when I get my products I can pan out more of the details & to make going to this experience just right. plus Im graudated so the only way into the school is with a visitors pass. This is going to be so fun to experience…to bad I dont have my camera anymore ☹ but hey ill find a way to get some really really NICE pics 😛 does anyone have any suggestions on what i should use on this situation? ill get my results & post back to you with what happended. TTYL ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/2 "2007-01-16T20:58:42Z")
3-4 sprays of turn up the heat could be overkill to the max unless you plan on atracting 30 year old women. You are 21, this means your -none production is high. Adding such a large amount on top of that could easily scare them away. I personlay get bad results with just 2.5mcg of -none. I found out that i’m blood type O (previously though b) but this means my -none production is naturaly high. Younger girls are more responsive to lower doses. Androstenone dose is directly related to age (plus other factors such as ventalation, wind patterns, other distracting smells, smoke) Try 1 shot, maybe less. There have been good reports with 1/2 sprays. I promise. Plus it works best around girls who are about the menstrate. It has been reported to make girls indecisive at times as opposed to horny, somtimes annoyed and they will avoid you. 3-4 shots is serious business, reserve it for a very crowded and smokey bar. Your best bet is using the instant female magic 2 sprays, and instant shine by 3. Younger girls are very receptive to [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) strengths. Then if you realy need to put on some turn up the heat. LOW DOSES!!! ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/3 "2007-01-17T02:07:43Z")
The man speaks wisely. I would have said almost the exact same thing. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/4 "2007-01-17T03:29:06Z")
Why, thank you good sir ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/5 "2009-01-18T00:51:51Z")
My 16 y/o daughter is a cheerleader in high school. Try that around here and I’ll have my size 12 boot up your ass. There are reasons we have statutory rape laws and a 23 y/o man sniffing around high school girls on campus is one of them. Yours is neither a responsible nor an ethical proposal. You need to learn some boundaries. ---
**Author:** ![SCoupe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scoupe/32/2101_2.png) [@SCoupe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SCoupe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/6 "2009-01-18T01:27:31Z")
Isn’t that interesting. Mr Whitehall shows up posing psuedo intelligent questions re: using [pheromones](https://a314.com/) on cheerleaders then resurrects a two year old thread for some internet bluster. Me thinks we have a troll among us. ---
**Author:** ![cmurd27](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cmurd27/32/1554_2.png) [@cmurd27](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cmurd27)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/7 "2009-01-18T02:19:19Z")
I would have to agree with whitehall though. Getting a visitors pass to a high school when your 21 to hang around the cheerleaders is a bit sketchy. esp the way he described he was going to do his tests. hanging around them to see how they act and then disspiering and then reappearing. But as far as I’m concerned, I’m sure coldtiger probably dosnt even use this site anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/8 "2009-01-18T03:39:18Z")
I was unusually graphic in my reply but the point remains - no sniping underage girls - you might just get someone VIOLENTLY pissed off at you. Of course, civilization depends on young bucks being afraid of older men like me. (Target practice with the Glock last week was enjoyable and productive.) Once they’re out of high school, happy hunting. As to SCoupe’s reply, I can only note that this is a classic ad hominem fallacy [Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) “Lurker” or not, my point remains. SCoupe may not take me seriously, but I assure you that other fathers of teenage girls will and so will the authorities. What we don’t want is scandal attached to pheromone use. Remember how the press sold papers and ad time with the “date rape” drug BS? GHB? Anyone want pheromone (which are steroids) classified as Schedule One substances by the DEA? Act irresponsibly and the scandal-driven reaction could be swift and painful. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 7:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/9 "2009-01-18T07:13:07Z")
I recall being pissed off in HS many of the girls my age were dating older guys and wouldn’t even look at me. Of course “older” guys were 20-something. Sorta makes sense as female brains develop sooner whereas the male brain isn’t fully formed until the mid-20s. A 23 year old man is mentally and emotionally about equal to a 15 year girl. Too bad physically and legally he isn’t! Seriously the age of consent varies considerably in each country and even state by state in the USA. Here in Hawaii it used to be 14 and now it’s 16. I think most states upped the age a couple years not too long ago. ---
**Author:** ![SCoupe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scoupe/32/2101_2.png) [@SCoupe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SCoupe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/10 "2009-01-18T15:21:08Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > I was unusually graphic in my reply but the point remains - no sniping underage girls - you might just get someone VIOLENTLY pissed off at you. Of course, civilization depends on young bucks being afraid of older men like me. (Target practice with the Glock last week was enjoyable and productive.) Once they’re out of high school, happy hunting. > > As to SCoupe’s reply, I can only note that this is a classic ad hominem fallacy [Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) “Lurker” or not, my point remains. > > SCoupe may not take me seriously, but I assure you that other fathers of teenage girls will and so will the authorities. > > What we don’t want is scandal attached to pheromone use. Remember how the press sold papers and ad time with the “date rape” drug BS? GHB? Anyone want pheromone (which are steroids) classified as Schedule One substances by the DEA? Act irresponsibly and the scandal-driven reaction could be swift and painful. Whitehall … I’m afraid you’ve missed my point. Resurrecting a dead thread to vent about something that is obviously a sore spot with you, with a liberal dose of your size 12 and glock practice in different posts wreaks of fear more than wanting to participate in and/or learn from this forum. Let’s see, a guy with a size 12 shoe, with a carry permit (hopefully) who is protective of his daughter makes you one **OF** a million. The forum is what it is … a place to discuss the use of product sold by a particular company and the use of pheromones in general. Please don’t think for a second I didn’t take your initial post seriously. The fact is I took your tone VERY seriously. **IF** - as you stated in your original thread - you are a longtime user from as far back as ‘02, one might presume that you have a decent level of experience with the use of various products. Taking a giant leap and assuming that is correct, you would know with certainty that pheromones can in NO WAY be compared to date rape drugs which have direct, debilitating physical effects as in ‘knocked out cold and unfunctional’. To make the comparison is just disingenuous at its best and provocative to the extreme. To think or intimate that any [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) is basically some ‘witches brew’ removing not only free will from the mix of human interaction but destroys ethical imprints from upbringing of a teenage cheerleader is just bollocks. To think so would indicate that a few sprays of IFM on a blowup doll would result in a male hump frenzy. _(OK, maybe that wasn’t such a great choice ‘cause that may be entirely plausible)_ … my point is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN with a fully functioning human being. So … what are we really dealing with here ? Do you have the right or even responsibility to protect your 16 yo ? Of Course. I can’t imagine anyone who is a member here even thinking otherwise much less saying so. That pretty much leaves a protective father _(rightly so)_ who is maybe over reacting a little. The kid whose post you originally replied to is the same guy who’s going to hit on high school kids with or without pheromones. The simple fact of the matter is that teenagers - _in particular_ - think about fuckin … they think about it a LOT. Remember ? Personally, I think you do. Understand, I don’t speak for the forum or Androtics … only myself but I would suggest that maybe you should rely on the ethics you’ve instilled in your daughter already and reinforce those from time to time. Should she become sexually active, before you blow a gasket and wanna break out the glock remember that her partner was only 50% of that equation. There is no product sold / used / reported on here that will ‘cause’ wild uninhibited monkey sex _(no offense intended to monkeys)._ Sometimes, a pre-existing inclination between two people is enhanced by their use. You’re intelligent enough to ferret out the key word in that thought. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/11 "2009-01-18T17:05:09Z")
Guys, I know about which I write. I myself lose it at 14 and knocked up a 16 y/o when I was 17 - then married her. I was threatened with statutory rape charges. So I’ve walked the walk and paid my dues. This is a nation-wide issue. Here’s 30 seconds of Googling to give a flavor: **3 men booked with luring underage girls into drinking (Louisiana)** [2theadvocate.com | News | 3 men booked with luring underage girls into drinking — Baton Rouge, LA](http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/37553934.html) **Men had sex with teen runaways (North Carolina)** [http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1160384.html](http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1160384.html) ([http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/37553934.html](http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/37553934.html)) * * * **Ad Campaign Targets Sex With Underage Girls (California)****[Ad Campaign Targets Sex With Underage Girls - Los Angeles Times](http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jun/15/nation/na-briefs15.5)** As to the point of free will, minor children are not legally considered to fully possess it. It is true that the age of marriage and/or consent has moved higher the last 50 years. 14 might have been OK when you both lived on a farm and high tech was better pig slop but in modern society, people think differently. Of course, pheromones do not abrogate conscious choice but then neither does alcohol, legally. One is still responsible for one’s action under the influence of either. But exposing minor children (especially females) to either puts at least some of the responsibility on on the one doing the exposing, more so with involuntary exposures. **And we can not deny that pheromones can change the sexual motivations and interior mental states of the targets.** And you are doing it with an exogenous material of which the underage target is unaware, unprepared, and defenseless. While I think my daughter is very level headed, some of her friends, especially where there is no father in the picture, are not as well grounded and so make easier prey. I should add that I’m pretty active in politics in my state so I know a common tactic is for an ambitious politicians to jump on an issue like this and ride it to fame - law 'n order always pushes buttons. Follow the news in California and you’ll see example after example of laws passed on far lesser issues. BTW, I wrote my original post under the influence of my first spritz of P83. My usual tone is far more diplomatic. The thought of young guys working my daughter with the same pheromones I use on mature women still sets me off. ---
**Author:** ![SCoupe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scoupe/32/2101_2.png) [@SCoupe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SCoupe)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/12 "2009-01-18T18:08:14Z")
_‘BTW - yesterday was my first self-exposure to P83. I’m usually a lot more diplomatic and measured so if I’m talking violence, pheromones do work_’ Perfect & just as I expected … you’re blowing smoke up your own azz, more commonly known as mental masturbation.Guilt is driving you. It was completely evident in your original posts that you are ‘politically active’ as you call it and buy into the same fear mongering as the homeland security crap. FEAR is a great control mechanism isn’t it ? You’re gonna believe what you wanna believe so imma let go of this rope & let you wrestle with it ‘cause you have demons to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/13 "2009-01-18T18:31:32Z")
> [@SCoupe](#): > > Isn’t that interesting. Mr Whitehall shows up posing psuedo intelligent questions re: using pheromones on cheerleaders then resurrects a two year old thread for some internet bluster. Me thinks we have a troll among us. I have to agree with Whitewall here. He shouldnt be messing with teenagers, he is 23. There are plenty of 18 and over girls he can target and its just creepy as well as illegal to be messing with young girls. While your purchased mones are yours to do what you want with, Androtics encourages ethical responsible use of mones. As women and mone user myself, I see men targeting underage girls as a lack of confidence and self esteem because you cant hang with the big girls and teenagers are easier to influence. Thats just my personal opinion. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/14 "2009-01-18T19:05:24Z")
SCoupe still doesn’t understand his use of ad hominem fallacies. In fact, he escalates them with each post. He has yet to make a rebuttable point while slipping into personal, unsubstantiated vindictive. History provides good example that I’ve lived through - LSD. I took it as a young, underage male when it was still legal in the US. It was VERY interesting both for my own spiritual and intellectual development and for science. When the press picked up on the growing use of LSD, especially amongst the young and underaged like myself, the government responded by throwing the leading intellectual lights (Tim Leary the most infamous) into prison and banning the possession and use of LSD for everyone. Even the scientific research programs were shutdown for lack of material. Science still doesn’t know how it works. Seduction of underaged females where pheromones are involved (whether or not they are the deciding or even an influential factor) is a bright line issuefor the public with the potential to “screw the pooch” for all of us. You may not think using them on girls makes a difference, but why did you pay good money for them? I’m just trying to share my experience of how the world works. I am certainly not threatening to make a public issue of this but I know that there are people who make their living doing exactly that. Let’s say that the government, in response to press scandals, decides to regulate pheromones. The first step would be to require proof of majority for purchase (you’d have to prove you’re 18 or 21, like for alcohol.) The second step would have the FDA or the DEA declare them drugs. Would you like to be required to get a doctor’s prescription for A-1 to temper your woman’s PMS? The most draconian would be to “schedule” them and treat them like narcotics or steroids. Ever try to buy vicodin or methyltestosterone over the net? Of course, we haven’t even mentioned the trial lawyers. Knock up some guy’s underage daughter while wearing pheromones and there will be civil suits for damages against both you and the supplier of the pheromones. It has happened before and it can happen again. We can’t make other users of pheromone behave in ways that won’t upset, threaten, or anger the rest of society. As Tisha pointed out, we can and should exhort everyone to behave responsibly as we discuss the pitfalls together. This forum is a great place to have that discussion. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/15 "2009-01-18T19:35:00Z")
Whitehall has form - he is no troll and his posts elsewhere were some of the most informative I read when I started learning about pheromones some years ago. Welcome to the forum… The idea of a 23 year old taking advantage of his sisters’ sixteen year old friends isn’t the most salubrious image. And I understand the legal concerns about implications for regulation of pheromone use should there be a scandal. But at the same time, it’s worth noting that this is a global forum and from an international perspective there is a strong puritanical streak running through US culture. Countries elsewhere do have different ages of consent - in France girls can get married at fifteen, for example. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/16 "2009-01-18T19:52:48Z")
Well at this point I am not to concerned that the FDA or the government stepping in to regulate mones but I know enough to never say never. I think looking at it from a law perspective while someone could try to use that as a way to procecute and it would cause a stir I dont think it would hold water. Like my anology before about guns, its the user not the tool that commits the wrong doing. With guns for instance, its clear cut and obvious that the gun shot the bullet that killed the person. Its still the user responsible though. Mones are not so clear cut, it would be much harder to say that mones made her have sex. That mones impaired her judgement enough to negate free will like LSD can. It would have to be the only influence and that is not how they work really. They work in tandum with the user. So while the user could be procecuted for his/her wrong doings, just like when we do anything else unlawful the mone company is not really responsible. > [@](#): > > it’s worth noting that this is a global forum and from an international perspective there is a strong puritanical streak running through US culture. Countries elsewhere do have different ages of consent - in France girls can get married at fifteen, for example. This is very true as well, Culture differences play a part in this. Still creeps me out though because 15 is 15 worldwide. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/17 "2009-01-18T20:04:14Z")
I’d like to think that Tisha is correct that there would be no upstream legal effects because her basic argument is intellectually correct. However, ask handgun manufacturers how well the argument that it is the user and not the tool that bears legal responsibility is holding up in the courts and the legislatures of our country. Good point, PheroQuirk, about the global reach of this forum. That’s just sinking in. Other cultures have different perspectives that will differ from those in the US. I can only offer my US-based opinion and note that Androtics, OneCoolTiger ,and SCoupe appear to be located in the US too. BTW, how does the UN consider sex tourism across international borders with underaged prostitutes? I thought there was a new treaty about that. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/19 "2009-01-18T20:42:41Z")
Here in the UK 16 is legal, is it 18 in the US? I don’t think the issue is black or white and I definitely don’t believe it has anything to do with the use of pheromones. I’m 20 and in the UK you’re allowed into clubs at 18. Whilst in a club a couple of months ago I Kiss closed a girl who an hour later told me she was 17. The bouncers may have been lenient or she may have had faked ID, whatever. The fact was she looked 18 and considering the legal age to get into a club is 18 I had no reason to suspect she wasn’t. At 17 it would have been legal for me to have sex with her (I didn’t) but it was not legal for her to be in the club drinking alcohol so I immediately felt guilty for getting of with her. I made sure to not let it happen again. It was a real eye opener. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/20 "2009-01-19T14:02:00Z")
what is legal and what is ethical - two sets with a large intersection. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cheerleader-test/1610/21 "2009-01-20T15:16:57Z")
c’mon you guys, this is _not_ a conversation about pheromones because they have a ceiling on what they can accomplish. this is a conversation on INTENTION. the intention in the first post had _little_ to do with pheromones, and everything to do with getting young girls to react to a guy who should know better. kids dont need help being influenced along _those_ lines, they need help getting the hell through school. after that, _whatever._ :😔: