# choosing pheros on personality **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 6, 2009, 7:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436 "2009-07-06T07:58:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 7:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/1 "2009-07-06T07:58:10Z")
Ok, so I’ve been using pheros for two months now, and I just wanted to put down some thoughts for the noobs that I wish I had when I was first getting started. This mainly deals with guys that want to attract women. This is basically a list of personality “issues” guys might have and what products would help them with it… 1. If you are shy: you need to get guts and the only thing that will get you close to that is a high dose of copulins. cops increase your testosterone levels and make you aggressive. i know that if i put on enough sprays of that stuff it makes me wanna go out and fight someone (not that i would). 2. If you come off as creepy/weird/too serious: alphanol is your friend. best product is instant openness. another good one is instant honesty. for some guys one works better than the other, some guys use both. experiment with them and see what works for you. 3. If you come off as boring: try spaceland..don’t have much personal experience with it yet, but soon i will.😃 4. If you keep ending up in the “friend zone” or you want to turn women on: you need a product with -none, which is a sexual molecule. there are 3 products which have -none in them: ammo, TUTH, and instant jerk. there’s good news and bad news about -none based products. i’ll start with the bad news. aside from the possible od effect, these products are also very body chemistry specific meaning that there’s no way to tell why one will work for you but another won’t. yes yes i know you want a “what-should-i-buy-” straight forward answer. sorry i can’t give you that. -none products are a tricky bunch and this is prolly the area where you will be doing most of your experimenting. now for the good news: between the 3 of them, one WILL work for you. i’ve never come across someone who’ve tried all 3 and walked away dissappointed.🙂 5. If women see you as another girlfriend or walk all over you: try A314 or instant gentleman..i don’t have much experience with either but others on the forum do. i know this list is pretty short and waaaay to simplified, but in my opinion personality is the #1 factor with women. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/2 "2009-07-06T08:34:48Z")
I think this is a great compilation of what each product from the Consumer Line can do for you. Good job ---
**Author:** ![johnny\_blaze79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dbc845/32.png) [@johnny\_blaze79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnny_blaze79)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/3 "2009-07-06T10:56:30Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > 1. If you are shy: you need to get guts and the only thing that will get you close to that is a high dose of copulins. cops increase your testosterone levels and make you aggressive. i know that if i put on enough sprays of that stuff it makes me wanna go out and fight someone (not that i would). wait, u’re saying applying copulins externally will increase a man’s testosterone levels? interesting, I wasn’t aware of this. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/4 "2009-07-06T16:24:18Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > 1. If you are shy: you need to get guts and the only thing that will get you close to that is a high dose of copulins. cops increase your testosterone levels and make you aggressive. i know that if i put on enough sprays of that stuff it makes me wanna go out and fight someone (not that i would). Sorry but I don’t think that’s entirely correct… Cops do increase testosterone levels by up to 140% but _only when worn by women…_ So if a woman near you wears them your levels will spike but not if you wear them yourself. They don’t do anything for you if you wear them (except make you somewhat smelly) I think it was Tisha that explained this in a post a while back with references to scientific papers that showed cops are only effective when worn by women. -none on the other hand can make you agressive though I’m not sure this is really the best way of “fixing shyness” ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/5 "2009-07-06T21:37:37Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Sorry but I don’t think that’s entirely correct… Cops do increase testosterone levels by up to 140% but _only when worn by women…_ So if a woman near you wears them your levels will spike but not if you wear them yourself. They don’t do anything for you if you wear them (except make you somewhat smelly) are you going by personal experience or what you’ve read? ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/6 "2009-07-06T23:25:48Z")
I’ll give my opinion here even though I’ve just been reading the forums and field testing the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) for just a couple of months. I think another important factor is how passive vs how aggressive a man is. Also how alpha vs beta a man is would effect his pheromone choices. I think a very aggressive alpha male should probably avoid Androstenone because he is producing enough already. He would be better off sticking to Androstenol and Androsterone. A very passive, beta male could probably benefit from some -none to increase his alpha vibe a little bit even if he is outgoing. It’s possible that Androstenol would make a beta male even more beta so some Androstenone would be needed to balance it out. Seems like a little of Androsterone could probably benefit alpha and beta males. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/7 "2009-07-07T00:54:53Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > I’ll give my opinion here even though I’ve just been reading the forums and field testing the pheromones for just a couple of months. > > I think another important factor is how passive vs how aggressive a man is. Also how alpha vs beta a man is would effect his pheromone choices. > > I think a very aggressive alpha male should probably avoid Androstenone because he is producing enough already. He would be better off sticking to Androstenol and Androsterone. > > A very passive, beta male could probably benefit from some -none to increase his alpha vibe a little bit even if he is outgoing. > > It’s possible that Androstenol would make a beta male even more beta so some Androstenone would be needed to balance it out. > > Seems like a little of Androsterone could probably benefit alpha and beta males. good point!!! ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/8 "2009-07-07T06:09:02Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > are you going by personal experience or what you’ve read? No it’s not just anecdotal own experience. It’s been discussed quite a bit on the forum, in particular in the women section. If you do a search you’ll probably find it. There were research papers quoted in those discussions. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/9 "2009-07-07T07:04:42Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Sorry but I don’t think that’s entirely correct… Cops do increase testosterone levels by up to 140% but _only when worn by women…_ So if a woman near you wears them your levels will spike but not if you wear them yourself. They don’t do anything for you if you wear them (except make you somewhat smelly) > > I think it was Tisha that explained this in a post a while back with references to scientific papers that showed cops are only effective when worn by women. > > -none on the other hand can make you agressive though I’m not sure this is really the best way of “fixing shyness” Actually this isn’t correct. In the study the men smelled different copulins concentrations from the bottles. JVKohl has more information about this. He’s actually smelled the same formula that Astrid Jutte used in her studies. According to him it was a pretty dilute amount and smelled pretty mild. But the point is that in this study which showed 150% increase in testosterone levels over baseline in men within 15 minutes of smelling the concentration of copulins that mimic ovulation, smelled them _from the bottle._ > [@](#): > > [ZoomInfo Cached Page](http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=132076667&page_url=%2f%2fwww.dhushara.com%2fbook%2fgenes%2fmhc.htm&page_last_updated=11%2f22%2f2001+10%3a41%3a23+AM&firstName=Astrid&lastName=Jutte) > > Astrid Jutte, a researcher at the Ludwig Boltzmann Institute for Urban Ethology in Vienna, carried out tests on 106 men, divided into four groups.Three groups were asked to inhale one of three synthetically produced human copulins-fatty acids found in vaginal secretions in women at various times during the menstrual cycle. one of the copulins mimicked ovulation, one menstruation and the third another point in the cycle.The fourth group of men inhaled only water vapour.Jutte found that testosterone levels in the saliva of those men exposed to the scent of ovulation increased by half, while levels in those sniffing only water dropped by half.Levels in the two other groups increased slightly, says Jutte. Diane ---
**Author:** ![johnny\_blaze79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dbc845/32.png) [@johnny\_blaze79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnny_blaze79)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/10 "2009-07-07T13:42:23Z")
well I weight lift on a regular basis, copulins here I come, lol ---
**Author:** ![Cape\_Cod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Cape\_Cod](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cape_Cod)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/11 "2009-07-07T14:16:48Z")
> [@johnny\_blaze79](#): > > well I weight lift on a regular basis, copulins here I come, lol huh? lol ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/12 "2009-07-07T15:29:15Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > No it’s not just anecdotal own experience. It’s been discussed quite a bit on the forum, in particular in the women section. If you do a search you’ll probably find it. There were research papers quoted in those discussions. well, i haven’t read any of those articles, but i am speaking from personal experience. infact, copulins were the first product that made me realize the pheros worked, that’s how strong this stuff is. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/13 "2009-07-07T15:38:43Z")
> [@johnny\_blaze79](#): > > well I weight lift on a regular basis, copulins here I come, lol no i don’t think it works like that, i’ve been getting into exercising myself, and i think what you’re referring to is a testosterone booster. copulins won’t substitute for that. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/14 "2009-07-07T15:53:05Z")
> [@johnny\_blaze79](#): > > well I weight lift on a regular basis, copulins here I come, lol Yes i have applied a dab of copulins to my top lip prior to a workout on several occasions and the dramatic increase in my energy and workout intensity has been very obvious each time, gave me the effects of being on a high level energy surge with very positive feelings, very nice actually. I can not say if the effects would continue on a regular basis with the continued use of cops the effects may diminish considerably. On the occasions that i have administered copulins prior to a workout i have used several different products and each time experienced good results. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/15 "2009-07-07T16:33:17Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > Yes i have applied a dab of copulins to my top lip prior to a workout on several occasions and the dramatic increase in my energy and workout intensity has been very obvious each time, gave me the effects of being on a high level energy surge with very positive feelings, very nice actually. > > I can not say if the effects would continue on a regular basis with the continued use of cops the effects may diminish considerably. > > On the occasions that i have administered copulins prior to a workout i have used several different products and each time experienced good results. That’s an idea. Now I’m tempted to spray on [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) which is couplins + -none before my workouts and see if I can do more weight or more reps. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/16 "2009-07-07T17:02:49Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > That’s an idea. Now I’m tempted to spray on Instant Jerk which is couplins + -none before my workouts and see if I can do more weight or more reps. [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) has cops in it? Since when? I thought only Dirty had cops in it. Diane ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/17 "2009-07-07T17:16:01Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Instant Jerk has cops in it? Since when? I thought only Dirty had cops in it. > > Diane Yes it does. See this post by MHarris. > [@What is Instant Jerk made of, and is it pure -none?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk/114/5): > > Hi, Pheropimp. Thanks for your question, and welcome to the forum! [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) is a novelty, “fantasy fulfillment” product. It can be fun, but it’s not what I’d personally use for daily wear. slight_smile Jerk is high androstenone with several intensifiers. Total pheromone content is currently 17.5mcg per spray. 12.5mcg of that is androstenone. Instant Jerk also includes a small amount of female copulins (compounds that women excrete during sex), that act to boost your own assertiveness an… ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/18 "2009-07-07T17:17:19Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > Yes it does. See this post by MHarris. > [What is Instant Jerk made of, and is it pure -none? - #5 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk/114/5) That’s interesting, since Androtics has been out of cops for a long time. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/19 "2009-07-07T18:49:48Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > That’s interesting, since Androtics has been out of cops for a long time. > > Diane Well, seeing as how that post was from 2006, there might not be any cops in IJerk anymore. When we rely on old information we assume to much of the present line, as we have seen with ISexiness 🙄 Dominick ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436/20 "2009-07-07T18:57:29Z")
But then again, maybe they are still providing the original stock from 2006 for [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/). I think to be on the safe side and for the sake of clarity, as far as cops goes, if you are actually testing that out, you should just get cops and add it to androstenone. Otherwise you could just be getting effects from one and attributing it to the other. Diane [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/choosing-pheros-on-personality/30436.md?page=2)