# Closing sets/hook ups **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 16, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668 "2010-10-16T15:40:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/1 "2010-10-16T15:40:19Z")
I can open a set faster than you can read this sentence. I can keep conversations, make people laugh I’m the whole package. My problem isn’t in opening though. It’s the closing that gets me. Last night I was at a party. I introduced myself to a girl, we hit it off, joked because were both Aquarius. She wouldn’t stop yelling my name, as it really is bad ass; Maximilian. She was about me for a while, and even her friends were giving me looks like “You just scored our girl, good for you.” I had to go mingle with others, so I said I’d see her later and went off to doing me. We danced later on for a little, and talked. She disappears and leaves with another guy. This doesn’t bother me, and I hooked up with someone else last night. This isn’t the first time I’ve had this happen. I open a set, girls all over me, I fail to finish. Help! ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/2 "2010-10-16T15:45:14Z")
Did you physically escalate? How far along in the Kino did you get? ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/3 "2010-10-16T15:50:00Z")
Isolation and escalation… After you danced and talked, did you isolate her? If so did you test for escalation? Did you escalate? If she was giving resistance then you check for comfort level and number or kiss close. I don’t know. When I was still single, I was always looking for the lucky girl that would get the chance to kiss me that night. Chances are she disappeared because someone else isolated her and thats who she left with. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/4 "2010-10-16T18:05:00Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > How far along in the Kino did you get? Holding hands, little touching, grinding. We were face to face. This exact incident isn’t so much meant to be the topic of discussion though. It’s my problem with closing 75% of sets. Really looking for tips, advice, things to look out for, things to do, someone experienced in this exact area. Like I’ve said, I could teach Helen Keller how to open a set. > [@JosieWilder](#): > > Chances are she disappeared because someone else isolated her and thats who she left with. Exactly. I’m missing something in between opening and attempting to close. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/5 "2010-10-16T18:45:39Z")
The guys have pretty much got it covered and to be honest this was my worst sticking point for the longest time. I could open set like nothing, building attraction was for the most part pretty easy…comfort, was WAY too easy but pulling the trigger and closing? that was where I usually fucked up and friend zoned myself. You have to control the buying temperature, you get a girl in an exited “I’m gonna hook up tonight” kind of state, and then leave her state or mood at the time still hovers at that level for while, you essentially made it easier for the next guy to close the deal. When you went off to mingle you should have told her to come along…told, not asked. ex: “Hey I gotta go talk to a few more people, let’s go.” and walk away. In the state she was in you got a 90% chance of her simply following. This solidifies an alpha status (you’re in charge) and a value establishment (SHE is following YOU around). So she’s been extracted, she’s with you while you chat up groups of people she doesn’t know, this as well puts you in a status position. You’re the only one she’s built a rapport with and would feel comfortable talking to and you introducing her and throwing a little approval and value confirmation her way makes you the “judge”. “Susan these are my buddies Tom, Dick and Harry and their girlfriends Jane, Pam and Mary. Guys this is my new friend Susan, she’s pretty cool so be nice ok” As the facilitator you’re in charge, by saying somebody is cool you establish yourself as the judge of what is cool. and she’s in your world, not vise versa or even neutral territory. This will create a clingy sort of feeling in her, ie she might feel lost or awkward without you there. So extraction from her circle has been done, you can kino escalate but the way I like to escalate follows the principle drug dealers use…meaning “the first taste is always free” and then place a gradually escalating value on kino. Some guys consider the girl being receptive to kino as compliance. I don’t like that perception because it maintains the perception that you bring everything to the table except sexual/genetic value…that’s where her value to you lies. I prefer to go for non sexual compliance, and use kino as a reward. This creates the frame that YOU are the one with the sexual value and that she’s pursuing you for that purpose. Have her hold your drink for a minute, eventually see if you can get her to buy you a drink etc. The reason I prefer this method is that by turning the tables from you proving yourself as worthy of sex, to you her working to earn your touch you not only eliminate the odds of LMR but you create the perception that every step on the kino ladder is more valuable to her than the one before it, up to and including actual intercourse. With this perception the woman is much more likely to initiate. I call it the Chippendales gambit. Think about it. Male strippers communicate nothing during a bachelorette party but their physical attractiveness and sexual value. And if the women are in state not only will they throw money at the guys, they’ll try to steal a crotch grab or some other type of sexual kino even doing things that would normally embarrass them in front of their friends. And when I was training for kickboxing I used to work out with a few male strippers who told me how easy it was to close women at bachelorette or divorce parties. Married women, threesomes (sometimes with women that are related) whatever. The more the women around her got hot and bothered the more the target would as well (preselection theory) So in a nutshell, approach the interaction as if your cock was made of gold and you are in a position to decide which woman if any are worthy of it…you likely won’t have to close, she’ll try and close the deal with you. Edit: Given the angle of this type of approach a high none product like [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) or a couple of sprays of TuTH would be effective. I’ve found that by using TuTH to create sexual tension but acting sexually indifferent with regards to the target it seems that my anti congruence flips a switch in her head that turns it from me giving off a horn dog vibe to creating a self perception in her that SHE is the one that’s horny for ME. Likewise a brief takeaway under those conditions would work better as you’ll be taking your phero cloud with you and the sexual tension vibe along with it. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/6 "2010-10-16T19:08:44Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Some guys consider the girl being receptive to kino as compliance. I don’t like that perception because it maintains the perception that you bring everything to the table except sexual/genetic value…that’s where her value to you lies. I prefer to go for non sexual compliance, and use kino as a reward. This creates the frame that YOU are the one with the sexual value and that she’s pursuing you for that purpose. Have her hold your drink for a minute, eventually see if you can get her to buy you a drink etc. This is what I love. This took me a relatively long time to understand. 6 months on a ship with a bunch of Marines all hitting the same clubs at the same ports trying to pick up girls is serious competition. So my friends and I started playing a game. We would keep score of who could get chicks to follow them from one club to another. That’s how you got to “player” status. You got “hustler” status if you could get a girl to buy you a drink. You were a “pimp” if she brought drinks for all of your friends. This is where I learned about kino and sexual value. In college I was giving away hugs and ended up in friend zone. Unfortunately I didn’t know anything about PUA back then. Would have had way more fun. I also used to use what they call prop-lock. I always wear a hat. And if I wanted a girl to stay, I put my hat on her. Sounds silly but it works. Oh and I started putting my number in my hat just in case she did get away so that I could get my hat back. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/7 "2010-10-16T19:15:03Z")
Exactly, you know the way you feel after you’ve invested a couple of hours buying drinks and throwing compliments at a girl and it looks like you’re not going to get anything beyond a “well it was really nice meeting you.”? Well if you’re smart and can maintain the right frame you create that feeling in her. You want her to think to herself “Oh hell no, I spent the last two hours following this guy around, buying him and friends drinks, chasing off any other girl that was trying to snatch him up and telling him how awesome he is…I better be getting laid tonight!” ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_B](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/digital_b/32/1716_2.png) [@Digital\_B](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Digital_B)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/8 "2010-10-16T19:26:43Z")
Thnk you guys and thanks especially to you RAD. > [@RADMAN513](#): > > When you went off to mingle you should have told her to come along…told, not asked. ex: “Hey I gotta go talk to a few more people, let’s go.” and walk away. In the state she was in you got a 90% chance of her simply following. So I need to take the girl back into my world. Sounds like the small little bit I’m missing. Being one to take advice, I’ll be putting this into play tonigh, as long as the situation shows itself. > [@JosieWilder](#): > > And if I wanted a girl to stay, I put my hat on her. Sounds silly but it works. Oh and I started putting my number in my hat just in case she did get away so that I could get my hat back. I do the hat trick but drunk chicks tend ot lose it. Maybe a number would be good. lol. I couldn’t ask for more guys and keep an eye out for the journal entry tomorrow. I’ma be on top of my game tonight. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/9 "2010-10-16T19:50:00Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > So in a nutshell, approach the interaction as if your cock was made of gold and you are in a position to decide which woman if any are worthy of it…you likely won’t have to close, she’ll try and close the deal with you. Nice RADMAN. I’m gonna nominate this post for a TOTW award! ---
**Author:** ![CHALA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@CHALA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CHALA)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/10 "2010-10-16T19:57:49Z")
Awesome advice Radman. Your posts over the last few eeks have been of real quality. Can someone clarify what kino is. I keep reading it, but don’t understand it fully. Is it when a girl gives of sexual body language towards you? ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/11 "2010-10-16T20:07:21Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > Awesome advice Radman. Your posts over the last few eeks have been of real quality. Can someone clarify what kino is. I keep reading it, but don’t understand it fully. Is it when a girl gives of sexual body language towards you? Kino is a dumb word. All it means is touching. I don’t know why we don’t just say that, even though I use the term too lol. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/12 "2010-10-16T20:16:32Z")
> [@CHALA](#): > > Awesome advice Radman. Your posts over the last few eeks have been of real quality. Can someone clarify what kino is. I keep reading it, but don’t understand it fully. Is it when a girl gives of sexual body language towards you? Kino Kinesthetic= touch. Some people are kinesthetic communicators. In PUA terms kino is used to build attraction and move to comfort. What Radman is talking about here is once in comfort stage taking away the kino and only giving it when the girl does something you like. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/13 "2010-10-17T01:22:30Z")
Rad, Write a book already man ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/14 "2010-10-17T01:26:03Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Rad, > > Write a book already man You should start selling it in this forum. I am sure you will sell at least thousand copies here. Not bad for a starter… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/15 "2010-10-17T01:28:20Z")
lol, you know with the exception of a handful of little adjustments I’ve made to what others have already written I really haven’t discovered all that much that’s new. I’d rather not be one of those guys that releases a product that’s 98% already covered by those that came before him and 2% actual new stuff and try to market it as the latest and most revolutionary discovery in pickup since the invention of alcohol. I have a few things I’m working on but until I test it and find it to be a consistent and most importantly, ethical approach to game I’ll remain anonymous. To do otherwise would be like being a musician releasing a debut album of 11 covers of rock classics and one original song that’s heavily inspired by them. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/16 "2010-10-17T01:32:08Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > lol, you know with the exception of a handful of little adjustments I’ve made to what others have already written I really haven’t discovered all that much that’s new. I’d rather not be one of those guys that releases a product that’s 98% already covered by those that came before him and 2% actual new stuff and try to market it as the latest and most revolutionary discovery in pickup since the invention of alcohol. > > I have a few things I’m working on but until I test it and find it to be a consistent and most importantly, ethical approach to game I’ll remain anonymous. To do otherwise would be like being a musician releasing a debut album of 11 covers of rock classics and one original song that’s heavily inspired by them. I’m finally getting down to reading Mystery Method. The foundation of a lot of what you’ve learned was from this right? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/closing-sets-hook-ups/42668/17 "2010-10-17T01:37:41Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I’m finally getting down to reading Mystery Method. > > The foundation of a lot of what you’ve learned was from this right? Yeah pretty much, I’ve added little bits from Vin Dicarlo and David Deangelo here and there where it fits but Mysteries model is pretty solid. And when you look at a lot of what the other guys put out and really analyze it you realize that they basically just focus on a single aspect of the 9 stages. Gambler devotes a whole lot of time teaching stealth value which is basically just peacocking under a different name. Useful for the idea’s he provides but ultimately just a more focused view on the actions leading to stage A1. Cocky/Funny is great stuff but can get old or backfire if you overdo it, so I limit that style of game to A2 as it really works as a DHV attraction building tool. etc.