# Club Phobia - Need advice to get rid of it! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 8, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/club-phobia-need-advice-to-get-rid-of-it/29678 "2009-06-08T05:55:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![phero\_admirer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@phero\_admirer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phero_admirer)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/club-phobia-need-advice-to-get-rid-of-it/29678/1 "2009-06-08T05:55:59Z")
I have had this problem for a while and I am determined to change that now. Basically, I am very shy with strangers and cannot just go and talk with a girl in a club. On the other hand, I tend to be very flirty with the women I know and am at ease with. Till now, I have been using Ammo + TUTH as an essential part of my club mix. I am starting to realise that the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) like IS, IH, IO, IFM, CTTM2 should not be under estimated and I have all of these in my arsenal. So, determined to attract the ladies towards me, yesterday I hit this club with 3 IS, 6 CTTM2, 1 Ammo and a small amount of TUTH. I noticed girls looking at me, staying next to me for a minute or two and then going away. The problem is: how do I identify if they are interested in me and if they are willing to start a conversation? It usually takes me a some time to get comfy and start a conversation. A couple of times earlier, I thought they were interested and when I start a conversation, they were not. Any suggestions on the new MX/P ( I had my eye on MX292 and P83 for a while now) series items I need to acquire so that they get interested in me and will stick close to me for a good enough time to start a conversation? Or, will the mones in my current arsenal to do the trick? ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/club-phobia-need-advice-to-get-rid-of-it/29678/2 "2009-06-08T08:44:53Z")
> [@phero\_admirer](#): > > So, determined to attract the ladies towards me, yesterday I hit this club with 3 IS, 6 CTTM2, 1 Ammo and a small amount of TUTH. Whoa, incoming nuclear ordnance. 🙂 Just kidding, but that is one major scent bomb, never mind pheros. Start small and work up or you’ll be known as the cologne guy that announces his presence a mile away. I would personally try 1 shot of CTTM2 and 1 TUTH. Maybe use IS in place of the CTTM2, or [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) alone - 2 shots max. > [@](#): > > I noticed girls looking at me, staying next to me for a minute or two and then going away. If they weren’t merely identifying the source of the scent trail, this was a silent request for you to start conversation. Remember this rule: Women attract, men act. Women prefer men to do the pursuing. They will not normally open you. You must open them. They walked away when you didn’t open them, assuming that you weren’t interested. > [@](#): > > The problem is: how do I identify if they are interested in me and if they are willing to start a conversation? Eye contact is the giveaway. You’re the hunter, she’s the prey. Make eye contact with her. Hold it until she breaks it and then looks back. If she looks back, she’s interested. Make your move. But whatever you do, don’t _stare._ That freaks them out. The PUAs have another rule. Assume attraction. > [@](#): > > It usually takes me a some time to get comfy and start a conversation. ‘A minute or two’ is too long. Women can put the world to rights and still have time to discuss every man in the club with seconds to spare. Just a ‘Hi!’ and a smile from you will get them started. > [@](#): > > A couple of times earlier, I thought they were interested and when I start a conversation, they were not. You probably waited too long. Just try the greet and smile approach. Musk ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 10:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/club-phobia-need-advice-to-get-rid-of-it/29678/3 "2009-06-08T10:00:37Z")
Clubs aren’t a good place to talk to women. Why? Too friggen distracting and loud. Nothing like screaming something important in a drunk babe’s ear and she still can’t understand what the hell you said. I’d suggest a more low key and friendly environment like a campus pub or coffeeshop. Community theater groups, social dance, tennis classes, etc., are also great places to met women and talk to them. Plus it’s low pressure as both of you will be back next week. Plenty of light (so you can clearly see what you’re getting into) and you can talk in your normal voice. And, yeah, women join those groups to meet guys with common interests. I got more honey on the old stinger in one musical theater production than a hundred smoke infested eardrum bursting night clubs. The shared experience makes talking and connecting relatively easy. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/club-phobia-need-advice-to-get-rid-of-it/29678/4 "2009-06-08T18:03:00Z")
muskcloud and gegogi both give good advice. first, you do want to turn down your phero cloud. too much scent can repel girls or give them the message that you’re showering in cologne, thinking that it’s attractive. we (here on the forums) know what those scents are related/attached to and can say that you’re probably leaning too much on pheros to do the work. very very rarely you’ll get that one drunk girl who comes up to you and says “oh my, you smell SOOOOOOO good right now!” and maybe that’ll ease you into conversation, but it’s certainly not something you can bank on each time you go out. like muskcloud said, just try a “hi” and a smile. i had a teacher or somebody who would always say “you can’t win a bet you don’t make.” if the girl says hi back, run with it. if not, you’re not any worse off than you were before. it seems your only problem is talking to strangers. if so, you’ll want to take gegogi’s advice and start elsewhere. if you really want to start slow, you can pick a place where it’s very easy and acceptable to say one thing. let’s take an art exhibit for example (really pulling this one out of my magic example hat, sorry if it sucks). if you see a girl looking at a piece, you can stand next to her and then pick out something about the piece, say, a bold splash of color. then you could say/ask something about the color… “do you like that color there? i think it really opens up the piece.” if she’s cold, she’ll give you a yes/no answer and then you can leave it at that. opening the conversation is the important part. if she’s open and friendly, she’ll probably give you a longer answer and maybe even ask a question in return. thus, the conversation has started. group lessons are another great place to start talking. i like tennis because you’ll be paired up with somebody random for doubles or volley practice. since there is a common subject matter involved, topics will flow much easier. “great shot! do you play often?” and go from there. if you select the right venue and lesson times, you’ll be with housewives and other women who have some free time. maybe not your target demo, but at least it’s somebody to talk to. the tennis example also works in a metaphor i like to associate with conversation. you just gotta hit the “talking” ball to someone. that person will usually hit it back, and you can begin a conversation. ---
**Author:** ![phero\_admirer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@phero\_admirer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phero_admirer)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/club-phobia-need-advice-to-get-rid-of-it/29678/5 "2009-06-09T00:12:09Z")
Thanks for the advice. I will take it slow. Another thing I need is to reduce is my own inhibitions. I read that [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) works great on doing that. So, for once I need pheros for myself 🙂. Can you advice how P83 worked for any of you if you used it?