# Collected reports for Putatives **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888 "2011-02-17T00:44:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/1 "2011-02-17T00:44:15Z")
Hello 🙂 I’ve decided to collect all the reports posted in the forums (even the ones in journals) about different Putatives to help out some researches and buyers out there 😉 Only reports where the putative has been test by itself or with TWO to FOUR other mones maximum will be collected. I will try to update this as much as I can 🙂 If someone want to help, post ahead your reports (or the reports that you found) here if you like! **PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE READING THIS THREAD:** : > [@Steve](#): > > I believe its very important to say that, while this is a great noble idea, you are potentially making it so AD might have to raise prices on all putatives by encouraging inexperienced members to purchase without lifting a finger 😉. We encourage members to take the initiative to research the molecules and their effects. We also, on the other hand encourage members who have a vast understanding of all the consumer based products (i.e. Ammo, Ishine, IO…) to therefore venture into the putative and ExperiMone realm with a CLEAN SLATE. In other words don’t read everyone elses reports out there. > > Unfortunately many members just jump on the bandwagon with no real research and simply follow along with what other actual researchers are saying hindering actual research. This makes it very easy to just pick a putative and because some members said it did this or that, go to the store and buy it based on those reports. The newer members need to understand and have a full working knowledge of what the regular products do before they should delve into buying individual molecules without any support services set up for them or even a refund policy. Where as Ammo is a mix of several different molecules, an ExperiMone or Putative is an INDIVIDUAL component (a single ingredient) to a complex mix. Therefore it takes a researcher some effort to determine where to start (circumventing the sweet spot testing theory) by reading others reports. Another component involved in determining a starting path of direction for potential researchers is that most basic principle of going at it blind. > > If I was to read all the reports linked here to P74 I would come to expect that it does something along those lines, therefore I would look for only those results and miss out on everything else it does that has not been reported in public by members like tacitus (RIP), Dancing Joker, Visionary. All of a sudden you have ten new members thinking oh this P74 is supposed to do this and I can just spray it on and go. When it doesn’t do that they start posting this doesn’t work. It’s the very same reason AD made the unscented prices a premium. We were getting a proliferation of members saying Pheromones don’t even work. They are right in the aspect that without a scent/diffusion package pheromones simply sit heavy on the skin and don’t work. > > Also please take into consideration that a member willing to do some personal research, to put in the effort of a forum search, to go above and beyond the average Ammo user is the type that garners the respect of the community and the aspiration to one day gain Reporting User Status. By putting everything on a silver platter for them you might be taking away that drive and replacing it with a sense of entitlement. Just the other day I read a post by a newer member who felt that every molecule should be recorded very similarly to this. He seemed to believe it was great for marketing purposes and sure in some way, if that’s all AD cared about, it would be. We don’t! We want members to put in the effort and take that to discover and forward the science and the drive of the community. > > I applaud your efforts and really appreciate what you have done here. Personally YOU ARE exactly that member I am talking about that pushes the science forward. Your dedication is commendable and yet at the same time you are, IMHO, taking away that same drive and determination from other members by laying it all out for them. Your list is really something for you personally and other reporting members you’re willing to share with. However when new members go here instead of doing the research on their own, looking for other members results instead of discovering what the molecule does for them, not reporting anything new or just following along with what most other members already said, buying up the stock of molecules before they even understand the Instant line, they take needed stock away from new MX’s, never quite fully understand how to obtain reporting user status and ultimately run up prices for amazing members like yourself. > > Just something you might want to consider, otherwise I have to say I’m very impressed with this thread. * * * ```auto Putative# 74 ``` Report# 01 User: thebigQ Dosage: 5 mcg + Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [P74 at the club and around](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-at-the-club-and-around/44219/1) Report# 02 User: dbot Dosage: 5-20 mcg. Other mones used (with dosage): A314, IH and a report just by itself. Report link: [Some Early Observations on P74](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/some-early-observations-on-p74/44854/1) Report# 03 User: ClintX2 Dosage: 10-20 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [P74: Move back?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-move-back/40047) Report# 04 User: phillykid Dosage: 12.5 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): [MX200](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx200/), 2 sprays IG, P79 @ 12.5mcg Report link: [My Instant Asian Mix: MX200 + P74 + IG + P79](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-instant-asian-mix-mx200-p74-ig-p79/31091/1) Report# 05 User: beeks Dosage: 20 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [P74 Makes Hubby Smile (He gets some too)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-makes-hubby-smile-he-gets-some-too/23875/1) ```auto Putative # 91 ``` Report# 01 User: Maidenfan01 Dosage: 7.5 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): -none @ 7.5 mcg, and by itself. Report link: [P91: why aren't more of you using this?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p91-why-arent-more-of-you-using-this/48884/1) Report# 02 User: silentscope Dosage: 10 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [First test P91 more testing](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-p91-more-testing/38364) Report# 03 User: annawithmones Dosage: 25 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [P91 - testing results](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p91-testing-results/44082/1) Report# 04 User: andrew88777 Dosage: 25 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [P91: rich, mellow, comfortable confidence, it emanates poshness](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p91/32699/1) Report# 05 User: andrew88777 Dosage: 25 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [P91: rich, mellow, comfortable confidence, it emanates poshness](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p91/32699/1) Report# 06 User: Steve Dosage: 25-75 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): - Report link: [P91 - Succulent Morsel of Power!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p91-succulent-morsel-of-power/13422) ```auto Putative # 83 ``` Report# 01 User: Steve Dosage: 25 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): TAH @ 25mcg, MEO-EST @ 20mcg, -anone, TAK Report link: [TAH, MEO-EST, P83 ++ = Hot Tubs, Hot Fudge, Hot Loving!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tah-meo-est-p83-hot-tubs-hot-fudge-hot-loving/44891/1) Report# 02 User: Dr\_Phail Dosage: 10-20 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): Different mones @ different mcg. Report link: [Success! Finally! And P83 may have helped a bit. (report)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/success-finally-and-p83-may-have-helped-a-bit-report/44714) Report# 03 User: fishdude Dosage: 15 or 45 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): 2 drops A314, IO, IH. Report link: [Negatives of P83](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/negatives-of-p83/44592) Report# 04 User: Dr\_Phail Dosage: 25 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): 1 spray Ammo, 3 sprays IS Report link: [Trying P83 for the first time today, will report when I get back.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-p83-for-the-first-time-today-will-report-when-i-get-back/44580) Report# 05 User: m3turbo Dosage: 275 mcg Other mones used (with dosage): 2 sprays TUTH, 4 drops A314 Report link: [275mcg of P83, 2 spray of TUTH, and 4 drops of A314 equals...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/275mcg-of-p83-2-spray-of-tuth-and-4-drops-of-a314-equals/8402) **EDIT: PM me if you want to receive the updated version of this thread. Must be a reporting user.** ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/2 "2011-02-17T01:18:32Z")
Reserved. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/3 "2011-02-17T01:18:54Z")
Reserved. You may now post 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/4 "2011-02-17T01:21:29Z")
I believe its very important to say that, while this is a great noble idea, you are potentially making it so AD might have to raise prices on all putatives by encouraging inexperienced members to purchase without lifting a finger 😉. We encourage members to take the initiative to research the molecules and their effects. We also, on the other hand encourage members who have a vast understanding of all the consumer based products (i.e. Ammo, Ishine, IO…) to therefore venture into the putative and ExperiMone realm with a CLEAN SLATE. In other words don’t read everyone elses reports out there. Unfortunately many members just jump on the bandwagon with no real research and simply follow along with what other actual researchers are saying hindering actual research. This makes it very easy to just pick a putative and because some members said it did this or that, go to the store and buy it based on those reports. The newer members need to understand and have a full working knowledge of what the regular products do before they should delve into buying individual molecules without any support services set up for them or even a refund policy. Where as Ammo is a mix of several different molecules, an ExperiMone or Putative is an INDIVIDUAL component (a single ingredient) to a complex mix. Therefore it takes a researcher some effort to determine where to start (circumventing the sweet spot testing theory) by reading others reports. Another component involved in determining a starting path of direction for potential researchers is that most basic principle of going at it blind. If I was to read all the reports linked here to P74 I would come to expect that it does something along those lines, therefore I would look for only those results and miss out on everything else it does that has not been reported in public by members like tacitus (RIP), Dancing Joker, Visionary. All of a sudden you have ten new members thinking oh this P74 is supposed to do this and I can just spray it on and go. When it doesn’t do that they start posting this doesn’t work. It’s the very same reason AD made the unscented prices a premium. We were getting a proliferation of members saying [Pheromones](https://a314.com/) don’t even work. They are right in the aspect that without a scent/diffusion package pheromones simply sit heavy on the skin and don’t work. Also please take into consideration that a member willing to do some personal research, to put in the effort of a forum search, to go above and beyond the average Ammo user is the type that garners the respect of the community and the aspiration to one day gain Reporting User Status. By putting everything on a silver platter for them you might be taking away that drive and replacing it with a sense of entitlement. Just the other day I read a post by a newer member who felt that every molecule should be recorded very similarly to this. He seemed to believe it was great for marketing purposes and sure in some way, if that’s all AD cared about, it would be. We don’t! We want members to put in the effort and take that to discover and forward the science and the drive of the community. I applaud your efforts and really appreciate what you have done here. Personally YOU ARE exactly that member I am talking about that pushes the science forward. Your dedication is commendable and yet at the same time you are, IMHO, taking away that same drive and determination from other members by laying it all out for them. Your list is really something for you personally and other reporting members you’re willing to share with. However when new members go here instead of doing the research on their own, looking for other members results instead of discovering what the molecule does for them, not reporting anything new or just following along with what most other members already said, buying up the stock of molecules before they even understand the Instant line, they take needed stock away from new MX’s, never quite fully understand how to obtain reporting user status and ultimately run up prices for amazing members like yourself. Just something you might want to consider, otherwise I have to say I’m very impressed with this thread. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/5 "2011-02-17T01:39:16Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I believe its very important to say that, while this is a great noble idea, you are potentially making it so AD might have to raise prices on all putatives by encouraging inexperienced members to purchase without lifting a finger 😉. We encourage members to take the initiative to research the molecules and their effects. We also, on the other hand encourage members who have a vast understanding of all the consumer based products (i.e. Ammo, Ishine, IO…) to therefore venture into the putative and ExperiMone realm with a CLEAN SLATE. In other words don’t read everyone elses reports out there. > > Unfortunately many members just jump on the bandwagon with no real research and simply follow along with what other actual researchers are saying hindering actual research. This makes it very easy to just pick a putative and because some members said it did this or that, go to the store and buy it based on those reports. The newer members need to understand and have a full working knowledge of what the regular products do before they should delve into buying individual molecules without any support services set up for them or even a refund policy. Where as Ammo is a mix of several different molecules, an ExperiMone or Putative is an INDIVIDUAL component (a single ingredient) to a complex mix. Therefore it takes a researcher some effort to determine where to start (circumventing the sweet spot testing theory) by reading others reports. Another component involved in determining a starting path of direction for potential researchers is that most basic principle of going at it blind. > > If I was to read all the reports linked here to P74 I would come to expect that it does something along those lines, therefore I would look for only those results and miss out on everything else it does that has not been reported in public by members like tacitus (RIP), Dancing Joker, Visionary. All of a sudden you have ten new members thinking oh this P74 is supposed to do this and I can just spray it on and go. When it doesn’t do that they start posting this doesn’t work. It’s the very same reason AD made the unscented prices a premium. We were getting a proliferation of members saying Pheromones don’t even work. They are right in the aspect that without a scent/diffusion package pheromones simply sit heavy on the skin and don’t work. > > Also please take into consideration that a member willing to do some personal research, to put in the effort of a forum search, to go above and beyond the average Ammo user is the type that garners the respect of the community and the aspiration to one day gain Reporting User Status. By putting everything on a silver platter for them you might be taking away that drive and replacing it with a sense of entitlement. Just the other day I read a post by a newer member who felt that every molecule should be recorded very similarly to this. He seemed to believe it was great for marketing purposes and sure in some way, if that’s all AD cared about, it would be. We don’t! We want members to put in the effort and take that to discover and forward the science and the drive of the community. > > I applaud your efforts and really appreciate what you have done here. Personally YOU ARE exactly that member I am talking about that pushes the science forward. Your dedication is commendable and yet at the same time you are, IMHO, taking away that same drive and determination from other members by laying it all out for them. Your list is really something for you personally and other reporting members you’re willing to share with. However when new members go here instead of doing the research on their own, looking for other members results instead of discovering what the molecule does for them, not reporting anything new or just following along with what most other members already said, buying up the stock of molecules before they even understand the Instant line, they take needed stock away from new MX’s, never quite fully understand how to obtain reporting user status and ultimately run up prices for amazing members like yourself. > > Just something you might want to consider, otherwise I have to say I’m very impressed with this thread. Makes perfect sense to me… Guess I’ll just have to move this to A314 forums (after i place my order).. a sub-forum for reporting users only would of been great 🙄 As for now, this won’t be updated till I move it to another section. ---
**Author:** ![Climax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c68b51/32.png) [@Climax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Climax)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/6 "2011-02-17T01:51:27Z")
I got this saved in an extra tab in case it does get moved to private forum where I can’t reload this page 🙂 I’d be lying if I said I would go for [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and P75 first based on post I have seen, however I am looking to catch on to anything even without influence, I have posted a few times that Scent of Eros makes people want my opinions more than anything else meanwhile I never read anywhere that it had this very specific effect, I have done a bit of mixing with what I have for now already. I am not getting Putatives with my next order but might try some after. Thing is I’m not rich and blind testing products could be blowing my money away so I’d feel better knowing that whatever mystery it is I buy can work with me and I could still keep an eye out for other changes, both mixed and not mixed with other mones on my stack. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/7 "2011-02-17T01:57:49Z")
PM me if you want to receive the updated version of this thread. Must be a reporting user. After all, a lot of people would be mad if I’m the reason of the price raise of putatives. I’ll put Steve’s reply in the main thread too. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/8 "2011-02-17T02:12:17Z")
You also need to get permission for each persons Journal. They post in the journal section because of privacy issues. The journals are only visible to registered users. As I said I’m fine with whatever you decide to do, but keep in mind depending on the amount of people who no longer report or bandwagon report, there will be even more blackouts on putatives. I do applaud your efforts 🙂. To ensure that members actually go through the effort and do their own research all reporting users will need to wait the full year before they are considered though. It’s just to easy to read someone elses post about a product now without a blank slate and therefore to ensure our actual reporting users get the full advantage I just don’t see any other way 😉. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/9 "2011-02-17T02:16:48Z")
Hope that’s better now SteveO 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/10 "2011-02-17T02:19:17Z")
I already knew Steve you’d be all over this post and respond with basically what you did… good onya and I agree. I still have yet to read a lot of reports for fear of contaminating my own research. I don’t wanna know what something did for another. That’s not to say that I haven’t in the past, but I guess I learned my lesson. I find that as a reporting user it is a privilege to get to test these products and I also find it more intriguing to just go out and wing it and see what happens…LOL Makes for an interesting day. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/11 "2011-02-17T02:34:23Z")
oh and hey Pherojack I shoulda said this. I do appreciate what you’re doing, and the effort you put forth. It would be nice to have a compilation like this to look back on as I finish with each P ---
**Author:** ![Slippy14](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/slippy14/32/424_2.png) [@Slippy14](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Slippy14)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 5:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/12 "2011-02-17T05:50:54Z")
Don’t move the post! Wicked lesson to be learned as I too went out and bought pheromones and putatives based off of other people’s reports! It definitely is better to go into the world of molecules with your eyes shut. Definitely makes for more honest and less placebo effect-type posts (which is why I haven’t been around much lately, I’ve sort of been off experimenting on my own. I should update my journal but I’ve been lazy 😛.) Definitely a good effort though. There are DEFINITELY times when I wish I just had a big compendium of all the phero knowledge that I could easily just browse through instead of searching for hours and hours through years of posts. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![ioncell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ioncell/32/1844_2.png) [@ioncell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ioncell)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/13 "2011-02-18T00:00:28Z")
Thanks Pherojack for enlightment . this gives us more attention to dosage and to decrease components for testing . ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/14 "2011-02-18T00:36:40Z")
I definitely think this is a good idea for reporting users only. While I totally agree that it’s best to have a clean slate when you’re testing products, I’m sure a lot of people on here don’t have the money to just buy out the store and test away. I know I, personally, am a college student, so having a vague idea of what something might do, just enables me to decide which specific molecule I might want to test. I totally agree with the idea of blind testing, but I think completely blind purchasing isn’t practical for a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![Slippy14](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/slippy14/32/424_2.png) [@Slippy14](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Slippy14)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/collected-reports-for-putatives/48888/15 "2011-02-18T01:43:56Z")
It’s still pretty blind. Just because it works one way for someone doesn’t mean it will work the same way for you. Plus, just because one person says one thing in a report, you have no way of knowing if it is just a placebo effect from that person having read other posts or the customer reviews. If you think you know what it does, you look for those results instead. No need to get putatives unless you’re open to doing what comes with molecules that haven’t been done to death like the consumer line products, ie. testing them 😛. > [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > I definitely think this is a good idea for reporting users only. While I totally agree that it’s best to have a clean slate when you’re testing products, I’m sure a lot of people on here don’t have the money to just buy out the store and test away. I know I, personally, am a college student, so having a vague idea of what something might do, just enables me to decide which specific molecule I might want to test. > > I totally agree with the idea of blind testing, but I think completely blind purchasing isn’t practical for a lot of people.