# Combining all the Socials? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015 "2012-04-01T15:13:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ckravitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@ckravitz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ckravitz)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/1 "2012-04-01T15:13:53Z")
I tried looking everywhere on the forum (and beyond) for this answer but I couldn’t seem to find it. If I just didn’t look hard enough, sorry. Anyway, I will preface this by saying I’m entirely new to pheromones. Just look at my profile summary to the left and you’ll see my status on the forum. If that isn’t a noob what is! On to the question, I was wondering if it would be smart to apply all the socials (Instant Shine, Instant Openness, and Instant Honesty) to become the guru of conversing, or should I not combine them all since it will have a detrimental effect by an over abundance of [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/), or for any other reason? To sum it up, I always see people saying they combine “IO and IS” or “IO and IH”. Is there anybody who uses them all at once? If so, good, or bad results? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/2 "2012-04-01T19:16:59Z")
50/50 of 2x IO and IH is the official replacement for CTTM2 - so yes, it does make for a good conversation provoking mix. Some IS will steer this in a generally fun/happy direction - So to that end, its a good mix. A younger guy with good game and higher natural none production could probably make excellent use of it around similar-age girls. However it can land you with the pub/party bore, talking his/her arse-off till you want to quietly take them aside and silence them and it can also over moderate sexual signals/pheros. I had an incident with TUTH/IS/alphanol (main component of IO)/IH once and the lady concerned was having a great time - **talking** about sex. In mind-blowing, trouser-ripping, agonising detail. In fact she was having such a great time, she was in no way encouraged to to actually go forward and have some. I couldn’t even sneak-off for a topup to try raising the none proportion - she followed me to her toilet (didn’t have a lock) and straddled me, all the time talking, talking and bloody talking about sex! It was sheer torture! :o 😮 Two weeks later, I introduced her to [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)/TUTH - That was a very different story! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ckravitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@ckravitz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ckravitz)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/3 "2012-04-01T23:18:23Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > 50/50 of 2x IO and IH is the official replacement for CTTM2 - so yes, it does make for a good conversation provoking mix. Some IS will steer this in a generally fun/happy direction - So to that end, its a good mix. A younger guy with good game and higher natural none production could probably make excellent use of it around similar-age girls. > > However it can land you with the pub/party bore, talking his/her arse-off till you want to quietly take them aside and silence them and it can also over moderate sexual signals/pheros. > > I had an incident with TUTH/IS/alphanol (main component of IO)/IH once and the lady concerned was having a great time - **talking** about sex. In mind-blowing, trouser-ripping, agonising detail. In fact she was having such a great time, she was in no way encouraged to to actually go forward and have some. > > I couldn’t even sneak-off for a topup to try raising the none proportion - she followed me to her toilet (didn’t have a lock) and straddled me, all the time talking, talking and bloody talking about sex! > > It was sheer torture! :o 😮 > > Two weeks later, I introduced her to MX297/TUTH - That was a very different story! 😃 That sounds like hell. True, living hell. :o I see what you mean in the first paragraph. So, I think what I’ll do is experiment with each individual pheromone until I find the right dosage of each. Then I’ll add one squirt of shine to add a bit of “playfullness” in the conversations. I don’t suspect it’ll be strong enough to cause… That 😮 If it starts causing me to land in the crowd of the pub/party like you stated I’ll probably take shine out of the mix. I’m simply not looking for that. I’m just glad to hear it doesn’t cause an OD due to an overabundance of [pheromones](https://a314.com/). Thanks for the help man! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/4 "2012-04-02T01:43:34Z")
Also remember that she was in her mid 30s, so responsive to a much higher dose of none compared to most girls your age. No, the socials don’t cause an OD in quite the same way as none. What happens here is that too much/too many socials (big doses of IS &/or nols), worn for too long, usually involving topups can leave you and people in close proximity feeling a bit burned-out, tired, headachy or emotianally flat/drained. Especially so if you are drinking apace. This is usually counteracted by keeping your electrolytes up, some decent food and a bit of rest. Once you recognise the warning signs/likely timescales, you will be able to offset this by arranging a break. ---
**Author:** ![ckravitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@ckravitz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ckravitz)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/5 "2012-04-03T22:42:17Z")
Ah, I see. It still sounds like hell though 😛 I’m definitely going to have to experiment with different doses. It should take awhile, but I’ll be documenting it for the forum! I will have to work on one thing, though. I don’t know if you can tell from the time stamp, but this message was written at 1:40am. I need to work on getting more sleep! I hate sleep so much. Anyway, I really do appreciate the help on this. I’ve never seen such a nice, helpful, and closely knit forum before! Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/6 "2012-04-04T02:39:10Z")
> [@ckravitz](#): > > I will have to work on one thing, though. I don’t know if you can tell from the time stamp, but this message was written at 1:40am. I need to work on getting more sleep! I hate sleep so much. Well, being on the other side of the Atlantic from most of the posters here means that most of my posts are late in the evening or early morning. Lucky I don’t need a great deal of sleep! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/7 "2012-04-11T22:56:51Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > 50/50 of 2x IO and IH is the official replacement for CTTM2 - so yes, it does make for a good conversation provoking mix. Some IS will steer this in a generally fun/happy direction - So to that end, its a good mix. A younger guy with good game and higher natural none production could probably make excellent use of it around similar-age girls. > > However it can land you with the pub/party bore, talking his/her arse-off till you want to quietly take them aside and silence them and it can also over moderate sexual signals/pheros. > > I had an incident with TUTH/IS/alphanol (main component of IO)/IH once and the lady concerned was having a great time - **talking** about sex. In mind-blowing, trouser-ripping, agonising detail. In fact she was having such a great time, she was in no way encouraged to to actually go forward and have some. > > I couldn’t even sneak-off for a topup to try raising the none proportion - she followed me to her toilet (didn’t have a lock) and straddled me, all the time talking, talking and bloody talking about sex! > > It was sheer torture! :o 😮 > > Two weeks later, I introduced her to MX297/TUTH - That was a very different story! 😃 That is the funniest post I’ve ever read in my life… ahahahahahaahaha ---
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/8 "2012-04-11T23:03:40Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Also remember that she was in her mid 30s, so responsive to a much higher dose of none compared to most girls your age. > > No, the socials don’t cause an OD in quite the same way as none. > > **What happens here is that too much/too many socials (big doses of IS &/or nols), worn for too long, usually involving topups can leave you and people in close proximity feeling a bit burned-out, tired, headachy or emotianally flat/drained. Especially so if you are drinking apace.** > > **This is usually counteracted by keeping your electrolytes up, some decent food and a bit of rest.** Once you recognise the warning signs/likely timescales, you will be able to offset this by arranging a break. The bold, underlined red part… This is a particular issue I’ve noticed wearing IS. It only takes 5-6 hours and I start to feel… weird. I try spraying more IS and it doesn’t really do much for me. So are you saying if I drink electrolytes and eat food during the 5-6 hours I’m wearing IS I could prevent this feeling of being “burned out”? Or are you saying I’ll just recover faster? Is sleep required to make the rebound? I have days where I want to wear IS + A314 during a 12 hour shift at work so if I could find a cure to this burnt out feeling it would be great! If not I’m very much content with just 4 drops of A314 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 6:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/9 "2012-04-12T06:58:12Z")
Yes. 5-6 hours is a danger point for me. I usually topup the IS after 3-4 hours. Yeah - Simply spacing out with an electrolyte supporting drink or even just fruit juice can help and removing myself from the whirl for a coffee/bite to eat/quiet pause to gather myself again is usually how I offset it. Sleep did help with the more extreme instances but I rarely let things get that bad now. 4-drops A314 at work. That’s a hefty dose! Have you properly sweet spotted it? Again, I have found that if you feel the need to add the likes of IS or IO to workday A314 on a general basis (strategic use excepted), it may be that you might be better (and more economically) suited to a lower dose in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/10 "2012-04-12T11:26:10Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes. 5-6 hours is a danger point for me. I usually topup the IS after 3-4 hours. > > Yeah - Simply spacing out with an electrolyte supporting drink or even just fruit juice can help and removing myself from the whirl for a coffee/bite to eat/quiet pause to gather myself again is usually how I offset it. Sleep did help with the more extreme instances but I rarely let things get that bad now. > > 4-drops A314 at work. That’s a hefty dose! Have you properly sweet spotted it? > > Again, I have found that if you feel the need to add the likes of IS or IO to workday A314 on a general basis (strategic use excepted), it may be that you might be better (and more economically) suited to a lower dose in the first place? Well, I don’t plan on using 4 drops regularly(only because I want my bottle to last). I just wanted to see what it was like after reading Steve’s journal about Rev 26. The biggest difference I noticed on 4 drops was its impact on my own demeanor though. I’ve been wearing A314 at work for quite some time now usually at 1&1/2 drops and I don’t really NEED more respect than it already gives me. I think when I am hunting for a promotion to fitness manager in a year or two I might up the dosage to 4 for a while though. Interesting advice about the electrolytes. I usually drink some form of caffeine drink or water while im at work. I rarely drink something with electrolytes. I’ll give it a try, and maybe experiment with a lower dose of IS since I plan on wearing it for such a long time. @ 4 sprays I feel like a _zombie_ 6 hours later lol. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/11 "2013-04-16T20:32:26Z")
Thanks for the reminder about what the IS crash looks like. I’ve never experienced the high feeling reported by some people, just a subtle pleasantness. When I feel grumpy or stressed, people don’t seem to notice as much. My typical combo for work has been 2 sprays IS 1X with one spray p102. I rarely top off, mostly because I forget. Today, I upped it to 3 sprays IS, but it didn’t seem to enhance the positive feeling. I just felt a little “blah”. I didn’t relate that feeling to OD, but now I totally see it. I’m looking for a good female boss mix. Where I won’t seem threatening to my superiors or mean to my employees, but approachable and pleasant without seeming weak or disengaged. I put in an order for TAL, but it is taking a while. I’m considering mixing that with IS and IH. I know this is the men’s part of the forum, but I’m sure a good number of you guys have played with workplace mixes. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/12 "2013-04-17T01:58:59Z")
Yes, I don’t get so much of the high with IS either - More a slight pleasant mood lift but I do get the crash quite markedly. Although I have also got used to it to a significant extent over the years. IS/IH is an excellent unisex quality conversation/bonding mix, so yes, I don’t forsee any problems using it in work/team situations - You may need to use less IS compared to social situations, simply to retain authority. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/13 "2013-04-17T22:42:07Z")
I remembered to top off the IS today. It was roughly 5 hours later, after a particularly hard and frustrating day. I only topped with 1 spray, not my full 2. I didn’t reapply the p102. The instant effects were amazing! I still didn’t experience a high, but I felt like, “you know what, this isn’t such a bad day after all!” I was even smiley and joking with people, which I normally would NOT be after such a rough day! I think my employees felt the emotional relief, too. It did fade rather quickly, but it was a much-needed relief. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/14 "2013-04-23T09:47:34Z")
I got my TAL last night. Then I got fired at work today. I think the TAL helped me not go absolutely berserk right then and there. I waited until I got to my car. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/combining-all-the-socials/190015/15 "2013-04-23T09:53:22Z")
> [@Miss Dragon](#): > > I got my TAL last night. Then I got fired at work today. I think the TAL helped me not go absolutely berserk right then and there. I waited until I got to my car. Sorry to hear that Miss Dragon…that sucks. Hopefully you didnt trash your car too much 🙂 " One door closes, another door opens…" Hang in there.