# Come Talk To Me 2 makes me chatty: apply to clothes and hair, or skin only? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 6, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945 "2008-02-06T21:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![acyzaak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@acyzaak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acyzaak)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/1 "2008-02-06T21:42:13Z")
hey guys haven’t posted in a while. hope everyone is good. recently got another batch of pheros and have been using come talk to me mix 2 around neck area. i noticed that when i wear cttm around me neck, being 50:50 openness and honesty - cttm seems to make me pretty chatty but has some possible negative effects since it seems to have more self effects rather then effects on others. so im going to start applying them on my hands and my hair. question: i usually wear long sleeve tops - should i bother applying pheros on clothes and back of hair or just apply to skin? my reason for this is, after searching the forum i seem to find mixed opinions - some people think its pointless to apply to the clothes due to the lack of proper diffusion - others think its fine. the same goes with the hair. what are others’ experiences? do you guys spray pheros on your clothes with much success? thanks ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/2 "2008-02-06T21:51:09Z")
I like -nols (cttm, IO, IH) on clothing. It seems like they are “light” enough to diffuse ok. Androsterone and -none though seem to me to need the extra heat of the skin to work well. just my 2 cents. Try it and see what you think. ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/3 "2008-02-06T23:38:33Z")
Well at first I had the same feeling that it has stronger self effects than effects on others.When you put it under your chin the self effects become verry strong so if u don’t like it that way apply behind your neck. So how many sprays do you use?I found that if u apply too much( 8-9 sprays) of the product the result is that people tend to shut up and not to talk to you at all.**I found that 3 sprays (one for each arm and one behind of the neck) is best for me.** I never applied on clothes and I think that it’s not worth it 'cause : 1. It can lead to build up and problems with removing the pheromones while washing the clothes. 2. The body heat makes pheromones to difuse the air so it’s more natural and strong to apply on skin. Here is a thread I started and in it I describe my impressions on [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 2 ( maybe u can find soemthing useful here): > [@Come talk to me 2 impressions](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-impressions/8121): > > I’ve receaved my [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 2 before couple of days and have tryed it alittle. My first application was an intentional od about 8 sprays.Arms, back and front of neck and hair.The first thing I felt was some kind of dizzyness.Compared to androstenone witch usualy is like waterglass of coffe (makes me feel sober, nervous) alpha and beta androstenol have effect like drinking alcohol(dizzy, little bit tired).Strong self effects stayed for about 3-4 hours. Puted all thiese sprays and some … The reason I don’t update it recently is that those days I don’t use my Come Talk To Me Mix 2 (kind of saving it) and thus have nothing to report. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/4 "2008-02-06T23:51:15Z")
> [@renny](#): > > I like -nols (cttm, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty) on clothing. It seems like they are “light” enough to diffuse ok. Androsterone and -none though seem to me to need the extra heat of the skin to work well. just my 2 cents. Try it and see what you think. agreed. especially in the case of CTTM2, it wears out way too fast if applied on skin, around 2.5 hours and you need to refresh again. ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/5 "2008-02-07T00:19:26Z")
> [@LifeT](#): > > agreed. especially in the case of Come Talk To Me Mix 2, it wears out way too fast if applied on skin, around 2.5 hours and you need to refresh again. That’s not the thing for me.I find it works for 6-8 hours, sometimes some effects can last even more. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/6 "2008-02-07T01:14:06Z")
I too have found androstenol breaks down quickly on the skin and needs a refresh every couple hours. I apply to the back of my head (hair) and pants. I sometimes use it on my chest but I talk enough as it is, so not a great spot. And, yes, androstenone lasts forever no matter where you put it–sweaty pit or leather coat–it goes on and on. As I recall one of JVK’s articles mentioned androstenol can breakdown to androstenone in as little as 20 minutes on human skin… ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/7 "2008-02-07T11:39:52Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I too have found androstenol breaks down quickly on the skin and needs a refresh every couple hours. I apply to the back of my head (hair) and pants. I sometimes use it on my chest but I talk enough as it is, so not a great spot. And, yes, androstenone lasts forever no matter where you put it–sweaty pit or leather coat–it goes on and on. > > As I recall one of JVK’s articles mentioned androstenol can breakdown to androstenone in as little as 20 minutes on human skin… So why am I experiencing the effects for such long time, self effects included… ---
**Author:** ![sheba](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sheba/32/1664_2.png) [@sheba](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheba)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 3:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/8 "2008-02-07T15:19:23Z")
I think I’d read that it breaks down more quickly in the bacteria rich areas. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/9 "2008-02-07T19:00:48Z")
> [@](#): > > So why am I experiencing the effects for such long time, self effects included… Because you’re special! And lucky. I haven’t felt any self-effects for many years. Of course I live in the tropics so that may account for faster breakdown. Lots of sweaty folk here as well… ---
**Author:** ![sheba](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sheba/32/1664_2.png) [@sheba](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheba)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/10 "2008-02-07T19:56:48Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Lots of sweaty folk here as well… Must you rub it in, Gegogi? We’re already jealous, ok? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-makes-me-chatty-apply-to-clothes-and-hair-or-skin-only/8945/11 "2008-02-07T21:22:22Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Because you’re special! And lucky. I haven’t felt any self-effects for many years. Of course I live in the tropics so that may account for faster breakdown. Lots of sweaty folk here as well… Hmmm, maybe because it’s winter and I don’t sweat alot it lasts for so long.Or maybe I am special indeed…😛 😃