# Come Talk to Me 2 vs Instant Honesty: Which one better avoids "Motor-Mouth Syndrome?" **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 20, 2007, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763 "2007-05-20T05:21:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/1 "2007-05-20T05:21:36Z")
jasmine has confirmed that CTTM2 is 1:1 alpha and beta-Nol. so wouldn’t CTTM be half instant openess and half instant honesty? im gonna place my next order soon and im kinda on the fence about CTTM2. if it has so much beta-nol in it it might induce alot of loose-lips-syndrome(not _just_ motor mouth) similar to instant honesty - which i DO NOT want. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/2 "2007-05-20T10:06:02Z")
Hmm, I’ve always felt Alpha Androstenol encouraged more loose lips whereas Beta Androstenol tended to inspire more thoughtful conversation. Of course, some people are incapable of deep or thoughtful conversation no matter what. In other words, while the Androtics product titles are certainly programatic and suggestive, actual reactions are as varied as there are people. Some folks need very little encouragement to get all verbose while others are still tight lipped as you shower them in Androstenol. Besides, it would be pretty easy for you to fine tune CTTM with dabs from chemset Androstenol or a zap or two from the PP Androstenol supplement spray. In a couple weeks of testing CTTM on female college students (all Asians or mixed Asian/Pacific Islanders) it was nearly impossible to get them to shut up. It was like a bunch of crazy cluckin’ hens. I had to flee (I avoid CTTM at school now). On the other hand, CTTM had little or no effect on my ex-wife. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 12:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/3 "2007-05-21T12:27:41Z")
yesterday i wore around 10 sprays of instant openess to see what it does on OD. and big mistake as i went to pick up my gf and she just _wouldn’t_ stop talkin’ lol. i reap what i sow. i guess i’ll still be ordering CTTM2 then to test it. good idea on the PP alpha-nol tweak. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/4 "2007-05-21T12:55:51Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > jasmine has confirmed that Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is 1:1 alpha and beta-Androstenol. so wouldn’t CTTM be half instant openess and half instant honesty? Not exactly. CTTM is straight Alpha/Beta Androstenol, whereas both Instant Honesty and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) are tweaked with extra pheromonal modifiers. CTTM is a much older mix. > [@](#): > > yesterday i wore around 10 sprays of instant openess to see what it does on OD. and big mistake as i went to pick up my gf and she just _wouldn’t_ stop talkin’ lol. > > i reap what i sow. And L. O. freakin’ L. to this! Sounds like you opened the “So I saw these cute pink shoes and want to buy them but there are white ones too, and then I went to get gelato with my friend and thought about saved by the bell and how much we still love mark paul goselaar”\* trap and couldn’t shut it! \*- Actual blathering IO-overdose 1-sided conversation. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 3:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/5 "2007-05-21T15:36:00Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Not exactly. > > CTTM is straight Alpha/Beta Androstenol, whereas both Instant Honesty and Instant Openness are tweaked with extra pheromonal modifiers. CTTM is a much older mix. > > And L. O. freakin’ L. to this! > > Sounds like you opened the “So I saw these cute pink shoes and want to buy them but there are white ones too, and then I went to get gelato with my friend and thought about saved by the bell and how much we still love mark paul goselaar”\* trap and couldn’t shut it! > > \*- Actual blathering Instant Openness-overdose 1-sided conversation. 😃 older mix hmm…sounds like the instant series are more advanced and superior to [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 2 then.. yes, uber 1 sided conversation where she proceeded to describe a B horror movie’s entire plot and subplots and character developments and her opinion on the director’s take on female protagonists which she saw last night in excruciating detail. i will not be forgetting my lesson anytime soon. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/6 "2007-07-18T03:41:11Z")
I’ve found myself Instant Openess and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) to have much more noticeable effects and to last much longer than CTTM2, the refining really makes a difference with those products. ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/7 "2007-07-18T04:24:36Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > older mix hmm…sounds like the instant series are more advanced and superior to Come Talk To Me Mix 2 then.. > > yes, uber 1 sided conversation where she proceeded to describe a B horror movie’s entire plot and subplots and character developments and her opinion on the director’s take on female protagonists which she saw last night in excruciating detail. > > i will not be forgetting my lesson anytime soon. 🙄 _ **\>holding sides and gasping with laughter** _\< Oh, well done! 😃 😛 ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/8 "2007-07-18T04:37:58Z")
In fact I have CTTM2 and in the shipment I got an [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) tester and, CTMM2 does practically nothing (or really nothing) compared to IH or another IO tester that I have, and what is more, 4 or 5 hours later it still has a punch while CTTM2 hasn’t 1 or 2 hours later. Now I am waiting for androtics to make some Instant Honesty stock (there isn’t any and I can’t order) and waiting for Jasmin to remember giving me the gift cert (I’ve been here for months and made four relatively big orders but haven’t received it yet ☹) for making my next order (so much experimenting has made me an out-of-pheros-man). Bye! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/9 "2007-07-18T05:53:33Z")
Hmm, I guess it must have something to do differing body chemistries, but I found CTTM extremely effective at getting a verbal buzz going. People won’t shut the hell up for hours on end. Chasing after me cluckin’ like frickin’ chickens. I nearly tossed my bottle out the window. If are IH and IO more intense, I will avoid them like the plague… ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 7:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/10 "2007-07-18T07:43:47Z")
When I ordered some time ago, Jasmin had recommended the [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty instead of the CTTM series as she indicated then that they were much more effective. It is hard for me to say as some people - especially women - are very chatty with me anyways. However, contrary to the theory put forward in the post “Beer dudes”, “fat tires” etc. I am not overweight and holding extra estrogens in my body. It is purely a learned social habit. I often do try to be more friendly - smile, etc. - because otherwise I know I can appear “harsh”. I am tall, in shape, practice some martial arts, and if I don’t try to smile and “lighten up” I can look a little angry even when I am not. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 8:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/11 "2007-07-18T08:05:41Z")
As I am a quiet guy who doesn’t talk much, I wouldn’t mind them taking over the talking part. But maybe not blabbering as if they almost forget to breathe… 😉 Can’t wait for my mones to arrive. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/12 "2007-07-18T14:06:55Z")
Maybe IH and IO are modified for adapting better to different body chemistries than CTTM2, or maybe my bottle wasn’t right but, I notice a great great difference between them. Bubblebob, you will be smelling pheros all the time, maybe the first days you will speak more and more intensely but, sooner or later you will get tolerancy and stoping to notice its effects on yourself… it would work perfectly on others anyway 😉, specially in those that are not used to your phero signature. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-2-vs-instant-honesty-which-one-better-avoids-motor-mouth-syndrome/3763/13 "2007-07-31T21:13:33Z")
How would a blast of IO 2x affect cttm mix2?