# Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is just alpha and beta nol: how it differs from IO + IH **URL:** \ **Category:** Consumer Products Combos\ **Created:** [June 16, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616 "2006-06-16T17:20:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![attractor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@attractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/attractor)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/1 "2006-06-16T17:20:47Z")
**You may view and post in the original thread here:** [Is Instant Honesty + Instant Openness the same as Come Talk To Me Mix 2?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-honesty-instant-openness-come-talk-to-me-mix-2/427) I’ve noticed some people are getting terrific results with mixes incorporating CTTM2. Is a spray of IO + a spray of IH the equivalent of CTTM2 or is there something special in CTTM2? I have IO + IH and wonder if I need to buy CTTM2. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2006, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/2 "2006-06-16T18:03:31Z")
> [@attractor](#): > > I’ve noticed some people are getting terrific results with mixes incorporating CTTM2. Is a spray of IO + a spray of IH the equivalent of CTTM2 or is there something special in CTTM2? I have IO + IH and wonder if I need to buy CTTM2. CTTM mix 2 is just alpha and beta nol. It’s simpler than what you’d get if you combine IO + IH. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Honesty were modified to attentuate the negatives of their primary molecules (especially Instant Honesty, as noncorrected beta-nol can be too much of a “head trip” for some people during initial exposure). I’d say there’s no need to get CTTM mix 2, unless you want to try something a little rougher. ---
**Author:** ![unknown\_user88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown_user88/32/842_2.png) [@unknown\_user88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown_user88)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/3 "2007-03-06T16:52:07Z")
i know this is an old thread, but i’m mainly focusing on Nol, is CCTM2 better than buying IS + IH?? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/4 "2007-03-06T19:47:14Z")
CTTM is a and b and much simpler than IH. instant shine has “feel good happy confidence building phermones” that includes more than just androstenol. if your sticking to ONLY androstenol, then no shine for you. if your looking for uplifting positive phermones, then instant shine is better than CTTM . you might consider IO instead. ---
**Author:** ![unknown\_user88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown_user88/32/842_2.png) [@unknown\_user88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown_user88)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/5 "2007-03-06T20:05:17Z")
> [@Is Instant Honesty + Instant Openness the same as Come Talk To Me Mix 2?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-instant-honesty-instant-openness-the-same-as-come-talk-to-me-mix-2/427/4): > > CTTM is a and b and much simpler than Instant Honesty. > instant shine has “feel good happy confidence building phermones” that includes more than just androstenol. > > if your sticking to ONLY androstenol, then no shine for you. > > if your looking for uplifting positive phermones, then instant shine is better than CTTM . > > you might consider Instant Openness instead. So is this just a mix of Instant Shine and IH, or do IH & [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) contain more than just Alpha Beta Androstenol mix, is there a bit more to it than that, cos the way they said Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is just Alpha & Beta Androstenol its makin the other to sound like they contain more than just Nol, which is probably right. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/6 "2007-03-06T20:16:02Z")
> [@Is Instant Honesty + Instant Openness the same as Come Talk To Me Mix 2?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-instant-honesty-instant-openness-the-same-as-come-talk-to-me-mix-2/427/3): > > i know this is an old thread, but i’m mainly focusing on Androstenol, is CCTM2 better than buying IS + Instant Honesty?? I’m guessing you meant Instant Openness + Instant Honesty. CTTM2 is 50% alphanol, 50% betanol. Openness and Honesty are primarily alpha-nol and beta-nol respectively. Some say 90%-10%, others say 70%-30%, with the balance being the opposite isomer. In addition, it’s been hinted that in addition to the main blend (I say 70/30) that there are some small ‘tweaks’ added to make each product more effective for it’s purpose. Whether that would be the addition of essential oils, of [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/), or of known phero-molecules seems to be an Androtics trade secret. So, perhaps mixing Openness and Honest would get you close to CTTM2. Perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/7 "2007-03-06T20:18:49Z")
from what i understand, CTTM is the androstenols shine is a mixture of stuff,TAA being major IH and IO both, while being dominant in the nols, do have other things in them. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/8 "2007-03-06T20:45:01Z")
[Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), especially, had some rough edges smoothed out to make it feel a little less “unsettling”. CTTM Mix 2 isn’t exactly 50/50 anol to bnol, but extremely close. It’s a much older, rougher mix, and we like to say that it’s probably better for attraction. IO + IH are more refined, more “business” class. ---
**Author:** ![unknown\_user88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown_user88/32/842_2.png) [@unknown\_user88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown_user88)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2007, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/come-talk-to-me-mix-2-is-just-alpha-and-beta-nol-how-it-differs-from-io-ih/23616/9 "2007-03-06T21:02:54Z")
> [@Is Instant Honesty + Instant Openness the same as Come Talk To Me Mix 2?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-instant-honesty-instant-openness-the-same-as-come-talk-to-me-mix-2/427/8): > > Instant Honesty, especially, had some rough edges smoothed out to make it feel a little less “unsettling”. > > CTTM Mix 2 isn’t exactly 50/50 Alpha Androstenol to Beta Androstenol, but extremely close. It’s a much older, rougher mix, and we like to say that it’s probably better for attraction. Instant Openness + Instant Honesty are more refined, more “business” class. So jasmin would it make any sense in me combining both CCTM2 along with IH, to have that attraction and an extra amount of depth of conversation?