# Conditioned responses to a stimuli and ramping up the reaction ... your thoughts **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 25, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043 "2011-02-25T17:05:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/1 "2011-02-25T17:05:52Z")
I’m working on something with Steeler Girl that worked really well with my ex. With the ex I mixed A1 with Angel for Men and wore it around her constantly, I even sprayed some on her wrist and told her to smell it when she got stressed out. Her reaction was quite favorable even to the point when I would just wear the cologne sans the A1 she would say, “oh you’re wearing that comfort stuff.” And of course her mood would change to calm, comfortable and happy. So Steeler Girl is on her period, yet again. This time instead of it being a week early, its only 3 days. For Xmas she gave me a bottle of Paris Hilton for Men, something she always said smelled sexy to her. So this is the plan. I have mixed two togo bottles using the Paris Hilton as the carrier. Bottle 1: 1ml A1, 1ml IS, 3ml of Paris Hilton (which claims to have mones it too interestingly enough) Bottle 2: 1ml NPA to 4ml Paris Hilton Stage 1: Starting 1 week before onset of period begin to apply Bottle 1 at 2 sprays until her period ends. Stage 2: As her period beings to end, now switch to bottle 2 and apply 1-3 sprays for up to 2 weeks after in order to hit during her ovulation cycle. At first I felt it might have been a mistake and waste of product to use Paris Hilton in both bottles because the response will be changed from comfort to arousal, so any attempts at conditioning might be disrupted. However, this might also make for a good pattern interrupt so to speak. And following with her natural cycle, might make for a transition that would also feel, or be “natural.” During her period she would come to know me as the guy who can bring comfort when she needs it, and when its over and as she begins to ovulate, I am also the guy who arouses her. So now, regardless, in the future whenever I wear PH even without added product these two things will always be associated with me. Your thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/2 "2011-02-25T19:34:48Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > During her period she would come to know me as the guy who can bring comfort when she needs it, and when its over and as she begins to ovulate, I am also the guy who arouses her. So now, regardless, in the future whenever I wear PH even without added product these two things will always be associated with me. I like it. Do let us know the results. By mixing the pheros into the same cologne, you know the effects are from the pheros rather than the cologne scent. By using different scents you could be tipping her off as to how you are trying to “manipulate” her. Also, you can mix them. At the cusp of the transition away from the “comfort craving phase” you could use a spray of each, for example, and a couple of days later only the NPA containing cologne. And you may discover there are more than two phases and times when yet additional/different [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) are valuable. I perceive four phases: High estrogen (first quarter) Ovulation (new moon) High estrogen _and_ progesterone (last quarter) That time of the month (full moon) Obviously, lunar phases differ with the individual woman (I’ve included the phases with the highest statistical correlations, in parenthesis). I suspect the _last quarter_ cries out for androste **r** one over androste **n** one and perhaps a nice P86 mix. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/3 "2011-02-25T20:52:24Z")
Hey Warren thx for the comments and suggestions. Yeah I do know its the pheros that cause the effects, but was thinking that even without pheros because of conditioning, she should still respond favorably as my ex did when I would drop A1 and only wear the Amen…being that it was the scent that she would associate as the stimuli. Interesting enough, I think you are correct about the rone being more important than none in that last quarter because she is usually a bit more emotional and is looking for support and strength from me. I never even considered that until you just now mentioned it. I am usually wearing A314 around her anyway, but I do tend to start dumping a bit more IS on me too. In fact, before she gets in the car at times I would spray some in the vents and crank the heat up and blow the air right at her when she gets in…LOL So were looking at: First Quarter = ??? Ovulation = None Last Quarter = rone + p86 Full Moon = A1 ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/4 "2011-02-25T21:59:05Z")
In my understanding, progesterone is low and estrogen (heterosexually aggressive) actually peaks in the first quarter. So, if -none works for you, that would be the ideal time for it. I’m not sure what you’d change for ovulation. That is supposed to be the most rational, level-headed phase of a woman’s cycle. I know people like -none there, but I’d think there’s a greater risk that _in excess_ it could backfire. Perhaps the closeness of TAA (Instant Shine) would help capture the approval of her more rational mating instincts… ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/5 "2011-02-25T22:31:04Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > In my understanding, progesterone is low and estrogen (heterosexually aggressive) actually peaks in the first quarter. So, if -none works for you, that would be the ideal time for it. > > I’m not sure what you’d change for ovulation. That is supposed to be the most rational, level-headed phase of a woman’s cycle. I know people like -none there, but I’d think there’s a greater risk that _in excess_ it could backfire. Perhaps the closeness of TAA (Instant Shine) would help capture the approval of her more rational mating instincts… I guess I’ll be testing this all out…LOL. Period hit early Wednesday, so we’re looking at the transition from A1 to None beginning around Tuesday…which I will apply both sprays. Maybe A1:None in these ratios: Day 1 2:1 Day 2 1:1 Day 3 1:2 Day 4 0:1 or 2 And as I get closer to New Moon Ovulation, go in with IS, IH and A314 and maybe a tad of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/): Mix = 4s IS + 1s IH 4x + 1 drop A314 + 1-2s Ammo 2x. Then during Last Quarter week before period begin to increase A314 while simultaneously decreasing Ammo while keeping IS and IH levels topped off and add P86. Mix = 4s IS + 1s IH 4x + 2-4 drops A314 + 1s Ammo 2x (or none at all) + 1-4s P86 @ 10mcg ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/6 "2011-02-25T23:00:05Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I guess I’ll be testing this all out… This sounds like a great experiment! Please keep us informed! ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/7 "2011-02-26T12:50:23Z")
In my thinking wouldn’t it just be easier to create your own “overall mix” that covers all the bases like a super hybrid ammo or something all with the same cover??? Then removing the mones and just use the scent to see if you get effects still. Then do something like 1:2:1, then 2:1:1, then 1:1:2 depending on the moon and so on… This may be what your talking about or am I oversimplifying things here!?!?!? My girlfriend seems to be on an even KEEL no matter what time of the month it is… No noticeable mood change and no ill effects from using -none during her aunts visits. Just some thoughts that popped into my head, but it sounds like a USEFUL experiment though…GOOD LUCK 😉 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/8 "2011-02-26T17:32:13Z")
For the most part Steeler Girl is on an even keel, but when things are tough, they are tough. I guess I’m expanding on the reason behind using mones to begin with. We are using them to help create an emotion / sensation / experience and link it to us. So with that in mind, what I’m trying to do is find the most opportune times to use certain products so that when she’s most likely to be down and more susceptible to a social mone rather than a sexual one, I tweak things to find her sweet spot. Then when she’s going through that period during her cycle where she’s ready to procreate and already a bit more ramped up sexually, I use a mone that helps drive her over the edge so to speak…and once again link all of that to me. Anyway, that’s the idea. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conditioned-responses-to-a-stimuli-and-ramping-up-the-reaction-your-thoughts/49043/9 "2011-02-26T17:46:49Z")
So yesterday, she worked 3:00 am - 10:30 am. Called me to let me know she left work a bit early because her boss was driving her nuts. So great, she’s on her period and now even more pissed off not to mention she’s sleep deprived and will have to stay up all day until bedtime. I pick her up at 3:00 pm and she looks exhausted. The Mix: 50 mcg A1 + 1s IH 30ml 4x + 4s IS 30ml + 1s A314 1.2b togo Application Points: A1 - 1s back of neck, 1s split between back of hands IH - 1s smeared R,L Neck IS - 4s to hair A314 - 1s to front neck Application Time: 2:45 pm Exposure Time: 3:00 pm - 6pm Locations: Car, Department Store, Condo The Effects: I noticed some physical effects approximately 20 minutes into exposure. The leg tremor, her ears began to turn red and her face was flush. On and off pupil dilation during the whole afternoon. As I said above she looked exhausted when I picked her up. We drove to the school to pick up her youngest before heading out for an afternoon of shopping. We were early and sat in the car and talked, windows rolled up and the Vegas sun beating down through the windows, increasing the inside temp of the car. I just knew things were diffusing faster than normal. I intentionally sprayed the A1 on the back of my right hand, then smeared some on my left. That way as I drove and had my arm draped across the car seats as I normally do, my right hand would be inches away from her face approximately eye level giving her a lot of exposure. After about 15-20 minutes exposure her mood dramatically changed. She wasn’t complaining about work, she was upbeat, energetic and quite honestly went through a fit of laughter because of a joke she played setting a song to repeat over and over making me think it was the world’s longest song. This upbeat mood continued for most of the afternoon, but fatigue began to set in a couple of hours later and the effects seemed to be wearing off as we went from fun chatter back to complaints about work. Duration of Effects: Approximately 2.5 - 3 Hours