# Confusing between Instant Openness and Honesty **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 26, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449 "2011-07-26T16:34:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/1 "2011-07-26T16:34:42Z")
Have you guys felt that the effects that you should see on instant honesty are being seen on instant openness? I feel that people are telling me what they feel and they start telling me things they normally wouldn’t say, but this is when I wear [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) though, is this normal, or are these two pheromones similar to each other? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/2 "2011-07-26T17:01:54Z")
Yes, they are very similar. IIRC the primary ingredients for both are alpha and beta androstenol, with only the proportions of each differing between the two. So yes I suppose it is possible to get similar reactions to both, depending on the individual subject’s responsiveness to each phero and maybe the influences of any other pheros you might be wearing. ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/3 "2011-07-26T17:20:52Z")
I like [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) more, it gives better reactions 🙂 Maybe I need a higher dose of Instant Honesty, I read that with the right people, you can get some seriously deep connections using this stuff. How many sprays of IO or IH do you use, Mobocaster? I am using double strength, but only one spray of each on the wrist. Maybe I should be spraying more? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/4 "2011-07-26T17:46:10Z")
For a long time now I’ve usually been using 2 sprays 2x of each, or either ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/5 "2011-07-27T07:44:19Z")
Thanks for the info, Mobocaster, do you spray on one application point both times (one wrist two times), or on two different application points (on each wrist), and which one would be stronger or more effective? Thanks for your reply. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/6 "2011-07-27T08:57:28Z")
they are both outstanding products. recommend you try them in your hair though (provided you aren’t bald) as the diffusion is better and you avoid many of weather related problems from living in asia. wrists are effective but only under certain circumstances. if you spend any time on a keyboard, in hot weather, long sleeves, on a motorbike etc you are just wasting product imo. if however you are out with someone special, wrist application points are great. ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/7 "2011-07-27T09:23:11Z")
Thanks for the tip josef, but which method is more effective in your opinion, two sprays on one application point, or one spray on each of the two application points? Also, is it wrong to spray IS on one application point and then spray IO onto the same application point mixing it together? Or should the application points be kept separately for each product? ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/8 "2011-07-27T09:28:38Z")
IH on the forehand, IO on the backhand. When you give someone the finger, you want to hammer the message home via the IH. Let the cocksucker know you honestly mean it with an up/down movement of the arm that wift the mones toward your target. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 9:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/9 "2011-07-27T09:34:40Z")
> [@Leomessi10](#): > > Thanks for the tip josef, but which method is more effective in your opinion, two sprays on one application point, or one spray on each of the two application points? > Also, is it wrong to spray IS on one application point and then spray IO onto the same application point mixing it together? Or should the application points be kept separately for each product? ime, diffusion is most important so i prefer a spray here and a spray there to get my point across. there is absolutely nothing wrong with spraying both of them onto the same point. one of androtics classic products CTTM did just that. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 11:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/10 "2011-07-27T11:11:55Z")
I tend to one on each wrist/forearm depending on clothing, or one between wrists/forearms and one to throat if I’m looking to up the self effects. I’ll also spray these on my neck/head as buildup is not an issue here. It more depends on what other pheros I’m using. ETA - The Androstenols are also quite suitable for using on clothing if you have to. ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 11:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/11 "2011-07-27T11:49:18Z")
So you never apply two sprays on one point right? That would be overkill? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/12 "2011-07-27T12:00:52Z")
No, I wouldn’t say that - I will spray multiple sprays on the same point if I need to. The only phero I keep strictly away from any other is A314 oil. Spraying anything alc based on that can disrupt its diffusion. More I try to balance the phero load/mix round my body as evenly as I can. Personally I apply none-based pheros from the centre - out and socials from the extremities - in but TBH, many folk overthink app points - so long as it is an area with decent diffusion, you should be ok. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Leomessi10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@Leomessi10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Leomessi10)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-between-instant-openness-and-honesty/51449/13 "2011-07-27T15:18:55Z")
Thanks for that mate, I will keep your advice in mind when using the alcohol based with oil based mones.