# Constructive Chaos **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [April 3, 2010, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488 "2010-04-03T07:46:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/1 "2010-04-03T07:46:18Z")
A Synopsis-A314;IS;IO;TUTH Originally from Dec 22, 2009 When I initially began use of the products, like many users I thought that they may be a scam, or any noted effects were simply due to the placebo effect i.e “it was all in my head”. However scams are generally not very well thought out in terms of feedback, and after deciding that the sheer volume and differing qualities of reports on this forum could not be made up, it led me to the conclusion that more testing was simply required, especially with A314. The only product I really saw to have an immediate effect was IS. After completely exhausting my supplies of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and IS and extensive use of A314 and Turn Up The Heat, I have reached the following conclusions. Please note that the following reports are not meant to be lengthy ones; instead brevity is the theme. Therefore you should read them slowly rather than flying through them as with many posts. Additional Notes: This country’s climate conditions are generally hot (35 degrees C) and high humidity (within the 80-90% range) I shower twice a day, first only with hot water, and the second time in the late afternoon with other stuff too. Environments were both indoor and outdoor, the differences being that the effects of all products were more significant in indoor conditions, therefore requiring slightly higher dosage outdoors. Using the phero-profiler v1.0 I got the following results before beginning use of any of the products: Androstenol: Level = 4.76 :Medium Androsterone: Level = 4.76 :Medium Androstenone : Level = 4.59 :Medium A314 (10ml)-akuto : after testing different dosages and taking into account the results of the phero-profiler, my sweet spot for A314 seems to be between 1-1.5 drops, applied to the jawline and side of the neck. I apply residue from the cap onto my nostrils and the upper lip for self-effects. Self Effects: mainly increased confidence and fluidity; and most importantly being more instinctive and not thinking twice about everything before doing it. Everything just seems to glide. Effects on others who see me everyday: more interaction than usual; increased amounts of other people wanting to start up conversations, especially by another alpha-male or more confident people; wanting to express their views and opinions more often; wanting to hang out more, regardless of the fact that exams are approaching and they should be studying . Effects on people who are new or people who have not gauged my pheremonal signature yet: Increased importance, asking me for advice at times; looking towards me at any lull in the conversations as if expectant of what to do; women of my age treat me as if im someone very respectable, someone who can hold their own, similar to interactions between a younger and a significantly older person (5 years?), me being the older. They were generally relatively intimidated, especially at 2 drops without any social buffers such as Instant Openness or IS. It must be noted that I produce significant amounts of Androsterone as it is. Effects on older women (30) years were more magnetic, without me showing any interest whatsoever, including one experience where i had my own stalker. One older woman (maybe 30ish), who was pretty decent looking for her age and is in good shape, that lives in my building kept making excuses to come over to my apartment. She actually somehow managed to find out in which apartment I live and came and rang the doorbell. She wanted to “use the internet” but conveniently forgot to bring her laptop. Eventually she went and got it, but surprise, surprise, her wireless LAN didn’t work. Once or twice while I was watching tv and showing complete disinterest in her, I turned and saw her staring at me while smiling. She even said to me thrice”you’re so funny”, when I had said absolutely NOTHING at all. Talk about blatant IOI ’s. Eventually she got the hint, thanked me and left after using the net on my pc for less than a minute. On the way out she invited me over for Christmas and took my number herself. Maybe she’s still hopeful, poor soul, she’s just too old for me. Instant Shine-neroli, TO-GO, with cover cologne: Sweet spot for this one seems to be 3 sprays to the neck. Self-effects: I cant seem to wipe that stupid smirk off my face; I feel, to quote tony the tiger grrrrrreat (cheesy, I know =P), like someone that just won a lottery last night. I feel like someone whos just gotten their daily fix everytime I use this haha. Im generally in a good mood anyway without any mones , so I used this mostly just for testing purposes. I found it more useful in conjunction with A314 in social settings. Effects on others were similar for people who were new and for the ones I had known for a while: Mostly just the state-transference effect, where my good mood translates into a good mood for others. Instant Openness-neroli,TO-GO, with cover cologne: sweet spot’s 2 sprays; 1 to the back of the head and 1 to the neck to make me a lil more chatty too. With an OD I feel more anxious, like someone who needs to say a lot and theres no time, the worlds about to explode =P Self effects: as I already mentioned, I seem to have a lot to say on most subjects. Effects on others for this, like IS, were similar on people who were new and the ones I knew for a while: People seem to have a lot to say to you. Conversations seem to ramble on and on, with rarely even the slightest awkward silences. However when I reflect back upon what was said, theres a lot of garbage in there from both parties. I personally feel this should be used with a little Instant Honesty. I myself am planning to get cctm2 as it contains Androstenol, A and B. I should mention that this is not a recommendation to others, simply what I am going to buy for specific effects that I am looking for. Turn Up The Heat, neroli, TO-GO: the sweet spot differs, depending on how many hours ago I showered, whether I worked out today or not, and whether im using social buffers like Instant Openness and IS. I stick to 1 spray to the chest covered with cologne. I would highly recommend to all noobs to find a good cover cologne for Turn Up The Heat, especially in hotter environments. Self-effects: I cant be sure, as the OD is very unreliable and this product is best used in conjunction with others. I get the feeling im slightly more aggressive with this one, in a predatory way. Effects on other women who are comfortable with me: Increased IOIs, especially kino. Effect on women who I don’t know too well: mixed reactions, including some similar to the one mentioned above, and some where they were noticeably wary of me, but again in a subtle way. I liken it to the reaction a shy, straight kinda girl has to someone whos a reputed player. Perfect mix from the tools I had: I used this, as an example, in a social situation where it was only me and 4 girls whom I knew, but not really very well. We weren’t exactly chuddy buddies. Results for this included significant IOI ’s from the 2 hotter women, the shy one avoiding eye contact with me, and the relatively confident but not so good-looking one gazing into my eyes every time I spoke as if I had the solutions to all the questions she’s been pondering since the start of the universe. Mix: A314,2 drops, 1 to neck, 1 to jawline; Instant Openness, 1 spray wrist,1 back of head; IS,1 spray face,2 sprays neck; Turn Up The Heat, 1 spray chest. Everything except A314 covered with cologne. Conclusions: The people at Androtics are simply put, geniuses. The possibilities with these products really are endless and I would advise noobs to think about using these products for more aspects of their lives than just sex, as most people who come in here thinking. Don’t get me wrong, use it to get laid if you want, but use it for other things too. Experiment as much you can; Definitely OD on everything once. Utilize all the knowledge there is on these forums; it really is endless and there’s just too much you can learn once you know how to sift through it. For me, after testing the s\*\*t out of these ones, its time to move onto more specific products. It’s like the mad scientist in me has finally found his playground. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/2 "2010-04-03T07:47:30Z")
p75-Day 1 Originally from March 28, 2010 Day 1-Social Test 1 Dosage: 2.5mcg akuto mixed with cologne at 50%; spread between 2 sprays across neck Environment: House party, indoors Duration: Atleast 6 hours, after which i got too wasted and passed out Self Effects: If god wears a314 , the devil’s got p75 . Although it took a while for the self effects to build up, I felt confident, albeit in unique sense. This was a much darker alpha vibe than a314 , although there were some similarities in the two. With p75 I also felt in control of myself and others around me. I was far less hesitant about everything, although the alcohol may have also had some influence on that. Effects on others, male: I couldn’t see any effects on my male friends Effects on others, female: Women present were between 21-25, south-american (and absolutely gorgeous). I already know them pretty well prior to this party. There was also one asian girl present (who I was trying to ignore most of the time for other reasons). The effects on the S.A’s took a while to build up, id say maybe 30-40 minutes. Throughout the night most of their attention was focused on me, although this is not unusual, plus it was my party, so Im not sure it was the p75 . I am usually just friendly with them although today I was picking up a different vibe from one. There were significant IOI 's, yet at the same time she projected this vibe only when no one else’s attention was on on us. The S.A’s were overall far more diplomatic and going out of their way to be nice to me, almost in a subservient way. If i hadnt passed out im pretty sure escalation wouldve led to a good situation with one. Although I was trying to ignore the asian the whole night, later she seemed to be finding some really lame excuses to strike up conversation with me. At one point she ended up cornering me and yapping about god knows what for a few minutes straight. Luckily I managed to escape. My first impression of p75 is that it seems to have a very under-the-radar sexual effect on women and this seems to build up with increased exposure time. It seemed to put me more in control of the situation not only through effects on others but also through congruent self-effects. Next party, im going to increase the dosage to 3.75 mcg . ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 7:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/3 "2010-04-03T07:50:48Z")
P75-Day 2 Originally from March 30, 2010 Day 2; Gym-Test 1 Dosage: Roughly 2mcg diluted with cologne; spread across 2 sprays to the neck Environment: Gym Duration: At least 2 hours, after which I washed it off Effects on others: This was not the point Self-effects: Earlier in the day, I wore 1.5x of p75 @ 1.25mcg/spray (the bottle dint spray the shit properly) to the gym. The point of this experiment was to see the similarities/differences between -none and p75 . In the past I have worn -none to the gym and have found that the aggression it gave me led to noticeable increases in both the weight i could lift and the number of reps. Sprayed the P a few minutes before heading out. The walk to the gym took about 10 minutes. The self effects had already kicked in by the time I got there. The morons at the check in counter are usually pretty slow and today was no exception. After waiting a few minutes while they did nothing but look stupid, I just walked inside without saying anything to them or checking in, and they did not try to stop me. With both -none and p75 , iv noted I have a much shorter fuse. After warming up and beginning the workout I noticed no effect of the p75 as I usually do with -none. A few sets into the workout I began to notice that I was far more focused on my workout. I usually take N.O. xplode; For those of you who aren’t familiar with it, it helps to increase my focus and strength. They advertise that your’e supposed to have tunnel-vision-like focus but I have never felt it to that extent. Today was a different case altogether. By the time I was halfway through my workout, I felt I was the only person present on this planet. I had supreme control over where my thoughts were directed. I could focus on every single fiber in my target muscles. If something was distracting me from my workout, it did not exist in my mind. I also noted that on p75 my taste in music switched from the usual upbeat electronic that I listen to, to pure dark house. I tried to listen to something that i usually do and something very strange happened. This next part is a bit difficult to grasp. Since the music didn’t go with my mood, instead of me simply hating it and then switchin tracks, i felt as if my mind was now flowing around and away from the music. I feel this is in correlation with my enhanced state of focus and willpower with p75 . I did not like this song, therefore my mind disconnected from it. My state of mind was definitely altered similar to how it was with mdma (although on a much lighter scale) but only when listening to music and only for those few seconds. By the time i started thinking about what had happened i felt completely normal, as if it had never taken place. Lastly, I noticed that p75 definitely goes where you want to take it, much more than any other mones that iv used. The theme here seems to be clear focus and the willpower to back it up; what you think, is now your reality. Any negative thoughts, and those too will be your reality, but focus on what you want to and you’ll get it done. Next time im contemplating using -none (for the aggression) PLUS p75 (for the focus). As long as the two dont conflict, it should work out well for the gym. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 7:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/4 "2010-04-03T07:52:42Z")
P75-Day 3 Originally from April 1st, 2010 Day 3; [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) as a study aid Dosage: 2.5mcg Environment: Home Duration: At least 6 hours Purpose: To see if p75 's focus-effect could be utilized to study I had some coursework that iv been needing to do but surprise surprise, i didn’t feel like. My mind kept wandering to something, anything else. Recalling the amount of focus p75 gave me in the gym the other day, i decided to spritz on 1.25mcg of p75 . The effects took about 15 minutes to kick in after which i felt the usual p75 ‘in the zone’ effect. Unfortunately i still couldn’t get myself to study so after waiting another 15 minutes i sprayed on another 1.25mcg. I still couldnt seem to focus on the task at hand and decided to play some light background music. Music at a low volume sometimes can help me to study when it involves simply making notes or light reading. My senses seemed to have been sharpened with a higher level of focus on each and every note of the music, but NOTHING for the studies. Conclusion: p75 can be used to help your focus, but only on things that you ‘want’ to do as opposed to things that you ‘should’ do. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 7:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/5 "2010-04-03T07:54:06Z")
p75-Day 4 “INSTANT ARNOLD” Originally from April 2nd, 2010 Day 4; Gym-Test 2 Dosage: 2.5mcg p75 + 2.5mcg TUTH Environment: Gym Duration: At least 2 hours Purpose: To see if the agression from TUTH could be combined with the focus of p75 to create an effective workout booster Effects: Iv been itching to try this combination for a few days but i havent had the chance to go to the gym. Today i also received my new N.O. product Jack3d (i normally use NO-xplode). In order to effectively test this combo, i knew i would have to keep everything else the same, so the choice boiled down to testing out either jack3d OR p75 + TUTH . I read scotties had a great pilot run yesterday for this combo and so i decided to opt for the mones . I got to the gym 15-20 mins after application and felt more focused than usual, although not as much as when i tried p75 solo. A few sets into the workout i felt as though the TUTH had virtually had no effect except to reduce the p75 's focus (in order to discount for the placebo effect, i always tell myself that the mix i have on is NOT going to work and then see if i can prove this wrong by looking for effects). At some point i realized that although i did not feel the TUTH had helped, i was lifting far more weight than what i usually do. Its similar to when you stop doing an exercise for a while and when you go back to it, you can lift much heavier weights as if its normal. Furthermore, my stamina was through the roof! I usually work out one muscle group a day, 4 exercises with 4 sets each. Today i finished 4x4; did 3 exercises with 3 sets for another muscle; continued onto another muscle group and i still felt fresher than when i got there! On a side-note, this combination doesn’t do my mood much good. Perhaps today just wasn’t the greatest day for me anyway, so ill confirm this after a few more tests. Im also going to use this only for days when im working out the muscle groups i really need to gain on as opposed to all muscles, every day of the week. This should ensure i dont build up resistance to this combo. If Androtics decides to release this as a gym product, they could put all the other N.O. big-hitters to shame. Conclusion: By itself, neither [pheromone](https://a314.com/) boosts stamina but when the two combine, stamina is greatly increased. Add to that the physical edge of TUTH and the mental focus of p75 , and you can call yourself superman. ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/6 "2010-04-03T12:52:13Z")
subscribed. ill be following along 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![MVKBUGATTI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MVKBUGATTI](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MVKBUGATTI)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/7 "2010-04-03T14:35:08Z")
[quote=“minimalistic, post:1, topic:37488”] **A Synopsis-A314;IS;IO;TUTH** **A314:**"Effects on others who see me everyday: more interaction than usual; increased amounts of other people wanting to start up conversations, especially by _ **another alpha-male or more confident people; wanting to express their views and opinions more often"** _ **IS:** “**_I feel, to quote tony the tiger grrrrrreat_ (cheesy I know =P), _like someone that just won a lottery last night_**\*.” \* **Instant Openness:**"With an OD I feel more anxious, **_like someone who needs to say a lot and theres no time, the worlds about to explode_"** **Turn Up The Heat:**"the relatively confident but not so good-looking one _ **gazing into my eyes every time I spoke as if** _ I had the solutions to all the questions _she’s been **pondering since the start of the universe**."_ [quote=“minimalistic, post:1, topic:37488”] Keep it flowing, I’ll be following. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/8 "2010-04-08T15:57:05Z")
P75-Day 5 Its been a few days since my last post, and in truth iv had nothing to report on. Massive amounts of schoolwork hasnt allowed me any social testing opportunities and the p75+TUTH combo’s been giving me the same brilliant gym results as iv reported before, so theres not much point in publishing a report with the same results everyday. Today, however, was none the same old, same old. I just got back from the gym and I was wearing my usual dosage of 2.5mcg each of TUTH and p75. I also had 2 sprays of 2x Instant shine on from about 4-5 hours earlier. I didnt think that it would have much of an effect, but man, was i wrong. 10 minutes after I apply the stuff im walking to the gym. On the way down in the lift I actually felt like i was high! Iv noticed that p75 sometimes alters my state of mind but its always been subtle. Today was far, far different. This effect wore off about a minute or two afterwards. While walking there i realized that my body language was noticeably different than usual. P75+tuth usually makes my body language and mood more open and aggressive in a way i like, but this was on another level. Last time i felt this fluid was back when i was made king of the universe. I felt like the most perfectly oiled machine; Immaculate. Pre-mones: Im a 2 dollar watch, made in china. Post-monal application: Im the fuckin flagship rolex, swiss clockwork ma man. Even german machinery’s got nothing on me. At the gym itself this effect lasted throughout the workout and i still feel absolutely supreme as im writing this report. The workout itself wasnt different from when i use p75 and TUTH by themselves. Additional notes: I recall using 1 spray TUTH+2 sprays shine once before, but the self-effects were nothing even remotely similar. My thoughts are this must be a combination of the p75+shine. Needless to say im going to test out this combination tomorrow and report on the self effects. Gym Test 3 Dosage: 2x [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), 2 sprays to the neck. 4-5 hours later: 2.5mcg TUTH+ 2.5mcg P75 Self-effects: as described above Effects on others: no substantial contact with others Duration: at least 2 hours, after which i washed it off EDIT:mild self-effects seem to have lasted 20 minutes even after the shower. and yes, i scrubbed properly. Conclusion: Further testing needed ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/9 "2010-04-08T16:02:11Z")
**JOURNAL GUIDE** Tests **[P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/)**: Page 1-2 ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/10 "2010-04-08T17:04:02Z")
> [@minimalistic](#): > > I have a theory regarding p75. Scotties, whenever you read this, id appreciate if you could give me your natural pheromonal signature results using nbully’s phero-profiler. I know you and i react similarly to mones and if im right, p75’s got far more social potential than we’ve yet realized. I had taken it a while back and I think I had ~5 across the board. I just took it again for kicks and it came up like this: -nol: 5.34 Medium -erone: 4.59 Medium -none: 4.93 Medium Pretty much what I got last time. How do you think p75 would work in a social setting? Or more specifically, what types of social potential? I think p75 is one of those pheros that can really go in any direction depending on the user. It really seems to mold to whatever mood you’re in. EDIT: Just looked at your results in your first post, it looks like we’re pretty similar according to the program. The only flaw in it for me is that I don’t know my blood type, so I just put A. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/11 "2010-04-08T17:21:34Z")
> [@scotties123](#): > > I had taken it a while back and I think I had ~5 across the board. I just took it again for kicks and it came up like this: > -nol: 5.34 Medium > -erone: 4.59 Medium > -none: 4.93 Medium > Pretty much what I got last time. How do you think p75 would work in a social setting? Or more specifically, what types of social potential? I think p75 is one of those pheros that can really go in any direction depending on the user. It really seems to mold to whatever mood you’re in. > > EDIT: Just looked at your results in your first post, it looks like we’re pretty similar according to the program. The only flaw in it for me is that I don’t know my blood type, so I just put A. Pretty similar if you were to switch the ratios of none and rone, but the numbers are similar all across. p75, yeah thats the feel i get with it too, thats why im going to try using different socials with it to see how they affect it. I feel p75 is similar to a314 in the sense that it can be used as a good base for any mix, except perhaps that its more flexible than a314.i cant wait to start testing p75 mixes in all kindsa social settings. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/12 "2010-04-16T17:21:05Z")
IJ vs TUTH at the gym Dosage: 1 spray IJ Environment: Gym Duration: 2 Hours plus Self Effects: I decided to replace TUTH with IJ at the gym today to gauge whether a bump up in the concentration of none would give me heightened aggression in comparison to TUTH. I was really surprised then, when i realized that IJ gave me **less** aggression than TUTH 😕! Its possible that the supporting molecules in TUTH are what actually causes the aggression, although past reports indicate that its the none itself that causes it, not the supporting molecules. Im going to test this again just to make sure, but at this point, im plain stumped. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/13 "2010-04-17T01:48:24Z")
> [@minimalistic](#): > > Dosage: 1 spray IJ > Environment: Gym > Duration: 2 Hours plus > > Self Effects: > I decided to replace TUTH with IJ at the gym today to gauge whether a bump up in the concentration of none would give me heightened aggression in comparison to TUTH. I was really surprised then, when i realized that IJ gave me **less** aggression than TUTH 😕! Its possible that the supporting molecules in TUTH are what actually causes the aggression, although past reports indicate that its the none itself that causes it, not the supporting molecules. Im going to test this again just to make sure, but at this point, im plain stumped. I find that I don’t really get aggressive from IJ, rather assertive and confident if that makes sense. I can’t compare it to TUTH because I have never really gotten self-effects from that product. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/14 "2010-04-29T18:33:55Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > I find that I don’t really get aggressive from IJ, rather assertive and confident if that makes sense. I can’t compare it to TUTH because I have never really gotten self-effects from that product. Yeah me neither. On TUTH i feel more like a predator than aggressive. Its at the gym that TUTH translates into aggression, something IJ wasnt able to replicate. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/15 "2010-04-29T18:47:08Z")
P75 self-effects test Range: 2.5-10mcg of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) Duration: 6.5 hours+ **Log** 740- applied 2.5mcg 755- thoughts are sharper, less introspective. going to try to get some work done on an assignment 758- thoughts keep going towards the future 802- couldnt focus on the work initially, but once you lock yourself into it, the focus was unparallelled. Takes some effort to direct your thoughts initally onto things as mundane as this 811- this stuff may be good for planning and strategizing future tactics 812- added 1.25mcg 814- increased focus, no drifting off 835- iv felt before that my mood has not been the best with this molecule. I understand now its not that the mood is affected negatively, rather that the mind is detached from any emotions, especially sympathetic ones. i can see how this would be great by itself for business situations or playing the field. I doubt i would have a guilty conscience wearing this. 851- been flying through this assignment past 20 mins. 852- added 1.25mcg 854- i feel calmer, yet more energized. the high seems to be balanced now 929- dinner break 956- back to work, you slacker! 1145- At around 1030ish i got super tired all of a sudden and passed out. just woke up. this was unusual, but i cant definitively attribute it directly to the p75 although i get the feeling it did have something to do with it 1210-added 2.5mcg 1223-been going at that assignment like a madman. vastly higher focus than before. no cross chatter in my head. 1226-i just did more work in the last 15 minutes than i have all day. im starting to get hungry but with focus like this, i know that il get tonnes more work done if i just continue on right now. 1256-didnt notice much while cooking, except an increased propensity of being easily irritated by flies. That, and some remarkable onion cutting skills. 149: finished eating, added 2.5mcg. now at 10 mcg total 156: resumed work 159-starting to feel like i have cold. slight pressure on the eyes 206- definite pressure on the eyes, not feeling well at all 208- added 1 spray of 2x shine…akuto’s the shit! 209-pressure on my eyes seems to have gone now 236-still feel like shit. the pressure on my eyes is back slightly and i cant study. conclusions: 7.5mcg seems to be optimal for self-effects for me. I felt a crash at 5mcg, although il need to retest and confirm this one, and anything more than 7.5 results in negative self-effects. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/16 "2010-04-29T18:47:56Z")
P75+Shine Future test ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/17 "2010-04-29T18:48:33Z")
P75+IG Future Test ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/18 "2010-04-29T21:35:48Z")
very nice stuff with the full p75 report. I haven’t given that high of a dose a try yet, but I’ll definitely try to some time soon so we can compare results. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/constructive-chaos/37488/19 "2011-09-27T07:22:37Z")
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