# Conversion help **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 2, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325 "2009-07-02T04:39:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/1 "2009-07-02T04:39:23Z")
So instant openness is my fav product so far, but i’ve been having a lot of issues with it. The problem is that it’s hot in texas, so soooo freakin hot. So i was wondering exactly what causes -nols to convert to -none? Is it the temperature, the humidity, sunlight, or the actual sweating? ---
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/2 "2009-07-02T05:01:10Z")
coryneform bacteria on your skin. they feed off of it and poop -none. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/3 "2009-07-02T05:36:44Z")
> [@TheCentaur](#): > > coryneform bacteria on your skin. they feed off of it and poop -none. hehe “i got doodoo on my skin” no seriously…i still need more info like what causes them to eat it and is it related to how much you sweat? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/4 "2009-07-02T06:55:53Z")
He is telling you the truth LOL We all have coryneform bacteria or the scientific name Corynebacterium on our bodies and this is what converts anol to anone. > [@](#): > > They can be found in many environments including soil, trees and skin. The non-diptheiroid Corynebecterium can also be found in human mucous membranes. Species of Corynebacterium have been used in the mass production of various amino acids includingL-Glutamic Acid a popular food additive that is made at a rate of 1.5 million tons/ year by Corynebacterium. The metabolic pathways of Corynebacterium have been further manipulated to produce L-Lysine and L-Threonine. > [@](#): > > what causes them to eat it Its what bacteria does. It is a living organism that feeds on different substances on and in the body. It can feed on the anol and excrete anone. > [@](#): > > and is it related to how much you sweat? No its not present because you sweat but it is what makes your sweat stinky. There types of coryneform bacteria to. Lipophilic Corynebacterium feeds on lipids on and under the skin. These are the ones that cause acne and blackheads This post could help you understand more about it \>\>\> > [@Armpit and Feet bacteria added to pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/armpit-and-feet-bacteria-added-to-pheromones/8914): > > The two smelliest areas on human body are armpit and feet and not surprisingly they are also rich in bacteria. ScienceDirect - Journal of Ethnopharmacology : Isolation and in vitro antibacterial activity of astilbin, the bioactive flavanone from the leaves of Harungana madagascariensis The most common bacteria found in those regions are: Armpit: “…main bacteria responsible for bad odours: Corynebacterium xerosis, able to metabolize the local steroids with the formation of the smelliest compou… These three are from Michael > [@anti-converter?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/anti-converter/466/11): > > You shouldn’t experience much conversion with our consumer oriented Instant line products, unless you’re applying them straight into your armpits. We’ve considered most of the common problems plaguing the bulk of [pheromone](https://a314.com/) brands, and invested much time and effort in working on ameliorating these issues. There are several systems in place to to take care of this. Tricolosan has been a fad for awhile in antibacterial products, but it may be on it’s way out. There’s some concern about it causing… > [@Oil version of Shine?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oil-version-of-shine/189782/4): > > I don’t think TAA is thought to convert to much of anything. It’s mostly alpha-androstenol which is theorized to to convert to androstenone by way of a) oxidation (catalyzed by what on the skin? metals?), and b) coryneform bacteria on the skin. Much more more likely. (i.e., the bacteria would “eat” the Alpha Androstenol, and excrete the stinkier androstenone) Our spray products have antibacterial elements compatible with that carrier. They might inhibit bacterial conversion, at least in the s… [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2026727?dopt=AbstractPlus](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2026727?dopt=AbstractPlus) As long as you not spraying to your pits or groin you should be fine and safe from conversion. I also suggest using a antibacterial soap when you wash. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/5 "2009-07-02T07:07:25Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > As long as you not spraying to your pits or groin you should be fine and safe from conversion. > > Tisha i never spray to my groin or pits, but i’m having some real bad issues with conversion…the instant openness wears off after about 30 mins of dancin at a club for me…that’s why i was wondering what is causing it..is it me actually sweating, or the ridiculous triple digit temperatures we’ve been experiencing? i know some other users have posted similar experiences with nol based products and have suggested reapplying. call me lazy but running to the bathroom every 30 mins to reapply pheros just doesn’t appeal to me, i want to find a way to avioid this to begin with. thanks ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/6 "2009-07-02T07:22:11Z")
> [@](#): > > i never spray to my groin or pits, but i’m having some real bad issues with conversion…the instant openness wears off after about 30 mins of dancin at a club for me…that’s why i was wondering what is causing it..is it me actually sweating, or the ridiculous triple digit temperatures we’ve been experiencing? Aha OK that is not conversion that is rapid diffusion. As your body tries to keep cool it sweats and the sweat evaporates into the air taking the mones with it. The more physical activity you do the more you sweat and the faster the diffusion of the mones Now don’t go by the smell to gage if its worn off. Even with rapid diffusion it should last about 2 to 3 hours or so. The neroli scent will be gone long before the mones are. Now to slow diffusion you could try applying your mones with oil or lotion. I suggest more then your normal dose and then covering with lotion or I believe Renny uses mineral oil. (I have to ask him) My method is to put a glob of lotion in my palm and spray some mones right into it. Mix it a little then apply it, then I will give a spray or two on top. See this is wear IO 1X would come in handy as opposed to the higher concentrations. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Coleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/48db29/32.png) [@Coleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Coleman)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/7 "2009-07-02T07:27:10Z")
This was helpful to me. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 7:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/8 "2009-07-02T07:47:49Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Aha OK that is not conversion that is rapid diffusion. As your body tries to keep cool it sweats and the sweat evaporates into the air taking the mones with it. The more physical activity you do the more you sweat and the faster the diffusion of the mones > > Now don’t go by the smell to gage if its worn off. Even with rapid diffusion it should last about 2 to 3 hours or so. The neroli scent will be gone long before the mones are. > > Now to slow diffusion you could try applying your mones with oil or lotion. I suggest more then your normal dose and then covering with lotion or I believe Renny uses mineral oil. (I have to ask him) > > My method is to put a glob of lotion in my palm and spray some mones right into it. Mix it a little then apply it, then I will give a spray or two on top. > > See this is wear IO 1X would come in handy as opposed to the higher concentrations. > > Tisha thanks tish, so how long does that lotion trick work if you’re sweating balls? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/conversion-help/30325/9 "2009-07-02T16:06:22Z")
> [@meow333x](#): > > thanks tish, so how long does that lotion trick work if you’re sweating balls? YW, Lasts 4 to 6 hours for me in hot humid weather. Just remember you need to be wearing a little more then your normal dosage because the lotion slows the diffusion. Tisha