# cool p86 mixes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 9, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684 "2010-08-09T01:34:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![giants52000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/958977/32.png) [@giants52000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/giants52000)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/1 "2010-08-09T01:34:23Z")
So I have been clinging to my mx292/353 for the last year and really have not used any in 6 months…but finally was able to order some p86…does anyone have any good ideas to mix it and perhaps make it seem mx292 like? Also just got back from a Caribbean vacation…will write soon about a very very cool experience with mx301! ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/2 "2010-08-09T04:42:11Z")
353 definitely has -none in it, my guess is about 5mcgs per spray. P86 plays very well with -none from my experience, IJ and P86 is a great combo. It’s not like 353 though. 353 has sort of a superstar/highly attractive vibe to it, where as with IJ and P86 your displaying lots of confidence. I get shit tested like crazy with that combo. Give it a shot and tell me what you think. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/3 "2010-08-09T05:29:00Z")
> [@Self-improvement w/ P86 (Sensuality mix)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812): > > Introduction I decided to experiment with the self effects of P86. In my experiments with P86 over the past few weeks I have come to some important conclusions. During that period I anguished over the ethical dilemma of releasing such powerful secrets to the public. I like the mix I have discovered better than my favorte A314 or any other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Of course, it is not a fair comparison because this is completely different. Those of you without a stong moral and ethical character, withou… > [@P103 (at 1:2) awakens P86](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688): > > P86 is known for its beautifying effects. When you wear it, the people around you look more attractive and the wearer seems to appear more attractive to the people around him or her. This effect has been noticed by many observers. I believe I was [the first to call attention to this effect](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812). Wildflower calls P86 [the crush pheromone](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509). P86 definitely has more sensual and attractant qualities than just the “Shallow Hal” or “[Instant Airbrush](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-instant-airbrush/24083)” effect. Sedation as an unwanted P86 effect One of the… also > [@I think I just hit on myself!!! \[P83 and P86 \]](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-think-i-just-hit-on-myself-p83-and-p86/23590): > > Yesterday, I was going through my shoebox of pheros and sprayed on 2 sprays of instant shine for a little pick-me-up. I noticed my two bottles of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and P86 that I haven’t used much and figured I would give them a shot. According to forum posts I have read, the P83 is supposed to make mixes a little sexier and the P86 brings out good qualities in people and they are supposed to work well together. So I put on 1 spray of P83 (20mcg/spray) and 3 sprays of P86 (20 mcg/spray). Did not notice an… > [@p86 is the crush mone.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509): > > Ammo is great. Ammo = attraction. I’ve been using Ammo as a base for all my mixes for a long time. I’ve never struggled to get the attraction, that’s what ammo does but I’ve never quite been able to create a mix that can create really strong crushes. You can wear ammo, hang out with a girl who is attracted to you for a couple of hours then disappear. You may see her again two weeks later also wearing ammo and the attraction is there again. A [pheromone](https://a314.com/) that when mixed with ammo will fill those t… > [@TAF P83 and P86 experiment](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087): > > I’ve been thinking about coming up with a social mix with more of a twist to it than just [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Shine, which is my usual go-to combo. I already like P83 and P86 together, but usually I use them in lower concentrations, not as a main component of a mix, and really wanted to experiment with bringing them to the forefront. I also recently got some TAF (10mcg/spray) which people say adds focus and an extra boost to mixes, so I figured this would be a good addition. So the c… > [@I'm thinking of trying P86 and...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-thinking-of-trying-p86-and/31869): > > My flatmate’s away - he has had good results with P86, but I want to try it for myself… I want to combine it with a “no-NONE” product, therefore I’ve excluded ammo from my list. I have A314, instant honesty, p83, MX201 and MX230. I would like to combine P86 with one or more of the products above - what has been the forum’s experience with such combinations and what are your suggestions? Many thanks, Charlie ---
**Author:** ![giants52000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/958977/32.png) [@giants52000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/giants52000)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2010, 2:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/4 "2010-08-09T14:38:41Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > [Self-improvement w/ P86 (Sensuality mix)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812) > > [P103 (at 1:2) awakens P86](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p103-at-1-2-awakens-p86/35688) > > also > > [I think I just hit on myself!!! [P83 and P86]](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-think-i-just-hit-on-myself-p83-and-p86/23590) > > [p86 is the crush mone.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509) > > [TAF P83 and P86 experiment](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-p83-and-p86-experiment/25087) > > [I'm thinking of trying P86 and...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-thinking-of-trying-p86-and/31869) THANKS Warren!! 🙂😃🆒 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/5 "2010-08-13T17:40:46Z")
I was going to get p86, until I heard someone mention it is an estrogen derivative, which means it is not good for men. In high concentrations or long-term use, it could lower testosterone, increase female features (wider hips and gynecomastia), and make men fatter. Can anyone verify that p86 is estrogen derived? ---
**Author:** ![NIGHTistheNEWDAY](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nightisthenewday/32/2148_2.png) [@NIGHTistheNEWDAY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NIGHTistheNEWDAY)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/6 "2010-08-13T17:52:40Z")
[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-pheromones-are-estrogen-derived/30464](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-pheromones-are-estrogen-derived/30464) from the same thread. > [@which pheromones are estrogen derived?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-pheromones-are-estrogen-derived/30464/10): > > Actually its not something I observed using them. Its from a few clues that Jasmin left on the forum and when talking to the ladies. I always felt P80 was very masculine myself and would never guess its was estrogen based. Then Di pointed our something Jasmin said a while back to countesszero… > > [Women wearing male Pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/women-wearing-male-pheromones/244) > > I also found mention of P79 and a few of the lower 80’s numbers that would lead you to believe they may be estrogen based. She had mentioned a few more putatives were coming out next week in the above post and a bunch where estrogen based. That week P81 through P86 came out. > > Tisha ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/7 "2010-08-13T19:36:32Z")
I guess I have to limit my p79 and p83 usage too, lol ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/8 "2010-08-13T21:07:42Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > I was going to get p86, until I heard someone mention it is an estrogen derivative, which means it is not good for men. In high concentrations or long-term use, it could lower testosterone, increase female features (wider hips and gynecomastia), and make men fatter. Can anyone verify that p86 is estrogen derived? I don’t think that these can cross the blood brain barrier and negatively lower your testosterone levels. Plus at the micrograms, I really don’t think it would make much of an impact/effect when it comes down to it. ---
**Author:** ![fishdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4bbf92/32.png) [@fishdude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fishdude)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/9 "2010-08-13T22:22:38Z")
If these pheros are of female origin then by your reasoning, smelling females would lower testosterone levels. Infact, the opposite is true, copulins, created by females, when smelled by males, increase testosterone levels. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/10 "2010-08-13T22:47:25Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I don’t think that these can cross the blood brain barrier and negatively lower your testosterone levels. Plus at the micrograms, I really don’t think it would make much of an impact/effect when it comes down to it. Most lipophilic, which includes any steroi (estrogen), molecules easily cross the blood brain barrier. Also, over the long run, it can have some effect. No one knows, because no research has been done. I hardly use them though, so I guess it doesn’t really matter ---
**Author:** ![lustdaddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lustdaddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lustdaddy)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/11 "2010-08-17T04:19:45Z")
I mean, if you’re useing a shitload of -nones, than what does it matter? If instant jerk raises your testosterone… Than it’s a balance, right? ---
**Author:** ![lustdaddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@lustdaddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lustdaddy)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/12 "2010-08-17T04:21:13Z")
I mean, a woman could rub her pussy on you and you could get estrogen on you… ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cool-p86-mixes/40684/13 "2010-08-17T06:40:51Z")
> [@giants52000](#): > > So I have been clinging to my mx292/353 for the last year and really have not used any in 6 months…but finally was able to order some p86…does anyone have any good ideas to mix it and perhaps make it seem mx292 like? > > Also just got back from a Caribbean vacation…will write soon about a very very cool experience with mx301! P86 [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) P79 TAF -none That’s what I think is in MX292. =/ Can’t really say how much of each, but it’s supposed to be -none heavy, so I’d say at least 5mcg. I’ve used P83, 79 and I felt like there was those two in MX292. 86 and none have been confirmed. Around the time of MX292, Jasmin mentioned they were doing -none tests where they were pairing it with certain putatives to see if they could find a good buffer. I think she mentioned that TAF or TAH was one of them that they tried out. I figure it’s TAF only because that’s the only putative of the two that I have.