# Copulins: do women in their 30s and on the pill need bigger doses of cops? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 9, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686 "2009-01-09T11:13:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/1 "2009-01-09T11:13:56Z")
Womens own production decreases with age & when using the oral contraceptive pill right? Does anyone know by how much? So should I assume that with being in my 30’s & on the pill I can expect to use bigger doses of cops to get a noticable effect? Or are there other variables as well? What dose do you ladies in your 30’s use? Have you tried cops & seen a difference when on the pill compared to when not taking it? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 11:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/2 "2009-01-09T11:58:59Z")
Hi It differs with each women. Yes to get the full effectiveness from cops you would probably need a bigger dose then you see the 20 something girls using. I use 3 to 6 drops for a mild effect. 10 drops for a most blatant effect. I am older the you. I usually get my products with at least 5X cops added in the custom additions section. You dont have to do this though they work as they are. Once the new copulin formula is donw we all have to retest to see if our dosage changed. I was on the pill before I used mones and when I went off I was older so no I havnt seen a marked difference in that respect. I have seen a difference overall though. You just got to test like with the other products to find your dosage. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![frances](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/frances/32/1249_2.png) [@frances](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/frances)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/3 "2009-01-09T23:10:04Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hi > > It differs with each women. > > Yes to get the full effectiveness from cops you would probably need a bigger dose then you see the 20 something girls using. I use 3 to 6 drops for a mild effect. 10 drops for a most blatant effect. I am older the you. I usually get my products with at least 5X cops added in the custom additions section. You dont have to do this though they work as they are. Once the new copulin formula is donw we all have to retest to see if our dosage changed. > > I was on the pill before I used mones and when I went off I was older so no I havnt seen a marked difference in that respect. I have seen a difference overall though. > > You just got to test like with the other products to find your dosage. > > Tisha Tisha, can we still order and customize w/cops? Why havent I found that option??! ARGH! Xiphoid, Im 37 and was on birth control pills for EVER until a month ago when I got the mirena ring instead. I read somewhere on here that because the mirena only releases hormones locally not systemically, that i should start producing cops again… If you can order them from androtics, I would! Or if you can hold out for the new cops mix, I would do that too - I have EoW from Love Scent and reports say it doesnt really work as much as their old batch. I personally use almost twenty drops! Theyre little drops, though, if that counts??! lol. But still…thats the only time I see any effect. I might even be able to go higher but my GOD the stuff stinks like a–. lol…and i dont want my signature scent to be that of _lady of the evening,_ and/or buttcheese..haha. if you do get some I would suggest you invest in a bottle of pink sugar - dont know if its sold in the UK, but the girls on here are all right in that it covers the stink really well…melds with it and makes it nice even, at least to me. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/4 "2009-01-09T23:25:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Tisha, can we still order and customize w/cops? Why havent I found that option??! ARGH! Not until the new cop formula is done and I assume tested. Yes EOW is getting harder to work with, His last batch sucked. It seems the batches are getting weaker and weaker each time they come out with a new batch. There is no consistancy. I am quite disappointed about it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/5 "2009-01-10T15:48:40Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Not until the new cop formula is done and I assume tested. > > Yes EOW is getting harder to work with, His last batch sucked. It seems the batches are getting weaker and weaker each time they come out with a new batch. There is no consistancy. I am quite disappointed about it. > > Tisha I wish the cops would hurry up and get back in stock… I really, really want some! 🙄 Good things come to those who wait though I guess… ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 9:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/6 "2009-01-11T09:25:53Z")
In the meantime I went ahead and purchased some W-9. It is in a lighter formula than my old EOW, with an alcohol base, so it dries down way faster. My initial response is, it smells fine before dry-down. Wet it smells like a fruity wine. After dry-down I couldn’t smell any cops. Even with 7-8 drops in the same small spot, there is almost no cops smell noticeable with my nose pressed right on the spot. Same with 12 drops. With 15 drops and 1 drop DPG I smell a slight smell of cops. When dry down is complete there is no smell. My first thought was that it doesn’t seem to have much, if any, cops in it, certainly not enough for anyone to smell, unless you maybe dowse yourself with the whole bottle, and then I’m still skeptical. The really ridiculous part of all this is the long-necked internal drop dispenser that takes forever to dispense even one drop - as if this were some [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) you really need to be careful with. Well, I guess you do… it dries the crap out of your skin. But I find if I layer a little DPG on before I add the cops and smear it together, the cops smell is a little stronger and lasts a little longer. But it is still so slight. I won’t be purchasing this product again. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/7 "2009-01-11T09:56:54Z")
Are there any UK based dupes of Pink Sugar? I’ll just wait for LAM to return, but in the meantime all I have are two little PS samples, so I want to be prepared. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/8 "2009-01-11T09:59:54Z")
> [@](#): > > The really ridiculous part of all this is the long-necked internal drop dispenser that takes forever to dispense even one drop - as if this were some pheromone product you really need to be careful with. Well, I guess you do… it dries the crap out of your skin. Oh I know I forgot to mention that. I had some dropper bottles left from a couple of Cleo bottles and I transfered mine to that to use. I dont have the dryness problem but I am a lotion diva. Did you see any results with it ? Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/9 "2009-01-11T12:51:34Z")
I’ve been trying to find a copulin alternative (even if only temporary) to EOW (as the current batch doesnt seem up to scratch) & Lust after me… I saw W-9 & was considering it, but it’s a waste of money then? Has anyone used it recently with good results? How about PCC? Is that to weak? Does anyone know of any other cops alternatives out there? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/10 "2009-01-11T14:14:04Z")
Unfortunately there is no pure copulin alternative even here. LAM is very cop heavy but still is a mix of anol and cops. Speaking on product effectiveness, reliability and availability alone which face it… is all consumers are concerned with really my opinions are after Androtics products of course … EOW and W-9 are really it when it comes to cops and nothing else. EOW has not been consistent but it still works even though you may need to play with dosages a bit. W-9 is weaker but I know I can get it whenever I need it. There are alot of mixes out there with cops in most of which dont have enough copulins for some womens needs in them but are good products none the less. PCC is very weak. I get nothing with it. However there are those who do. I like cleo but need a whole lot. W-9 and W-1 are alright, I would use it when no other alternative like Lam or EOW is available. Primal instinct is close to LAM. I like LAM better but PI is good alternative. SOE is a great product on many levels. Not strong sexually but it does have copulins in it. Athena 10:13 Good but not worth the cost compared to other products that work better for less. There is one wholesaler who sells or did sell what we call industrial copulins along with other chemicals from his supposed lab but his ethical practices are so bad in my opinion I would not use them. I am not referring to the scent company that once used there products I love those. I cant elaborate more on either of them since there is currently a forum ban on speaking of it. If you read the forum you will eventually pick up on who I am referring to though, I just dont have it in me to rehash that battle. I am sure there are more out there but I cant think of any off hand. Then there is Androtics, which are my favorites not because I work on the forum but because they work for me. LAM I love, It got the job done despite the smell which I found with a little practice easy to deal with. Why they decided to change it is beyond me but I know Androtics didnt get the reputation they have by not striving for the best so this is probably why they are changing it. They figure “hey we can do better”. Instant sexiness, MX135 MX134 and a few other mixes have copulins in them. Yes in small manageable amounts safe for everyone to use. The option of having the ability to increase copulins in the custom additions section was a major plus for women looking for a more sexual mone product. Frankly its my opinion that the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) world doesn’t take womens needs as seriously as they do mens needs or maybe they dont understand them. I see it more then most doing the intros. I have a little tally sheet I track new peoples needs with. Androtics is better in this department then most other companies which is just another reason I love this company. I remember once Michael asking what is it we want from mones and not many people answering. We need to convey to them what we want so they know. The forum is great for this. Mens products concentrate more on sexual needs though. Womens on more emotional needs. I think this is a mistake, We are all… male and female, sexual beings and while mens needs are more obvious then womens because they focus and express it more womens have just as much a need for the sexual products as there male counterparts. I can also say the opposite for them men though. They are lacking in the more emotional bonding response mixes. They had a Instant romance line but lost it from lack of response. Its unfortunate when that happens. Because from those who did use the Romance line they really liked it. While men do focus on sex its not their only focus or need. While I really hate the wait I am very pleased to see Androtics taking on the copulin project they have started in looking for a more realistic effective formula. Its a step forward toward what women want and need instead of just focusing on what they think we should want and need. Just another thought as well. While copulins are sexual in nature and are great for the sexual response other mones can bring about those responses as well in many ways. They may not be as driven as a copulin response can be but will lead to that sexual response. For me…IH works well on my hubby for this as well as P83. Its not as blatant or as animalistic as copulins but it works. You will find especially those who have a partner already that the product you thought would never in a million years bring about a sexual reaction may be the very one that does. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/11 "2009-01-11T15:27:36Z")
Tisha, one Q i know that androtics is formulating something great because they are taking alot of care to do so, but why isnt the old formula _as_ available in the meantime? im just curious because they were a great seller and the ladies loved it. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/12 "2009-01-11T23:02:31Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > Tisha, one Q > > i know that androtics is formulating something great because they are taking alot of care to do so, > > but why isnt the old formula _as_ available in the meantime? > im just curious because they were a great seller and the ladies loved it. Good question, Well I know that you know that copulins is one of the chemicals they dont mix up themselves. (Remember that post with us asking Michael for a pure cop formula, He said to stinky, lab to small, need masks ) Well from what I understand… when they were running low they ordered some more from there chemical supplier but Jasmin said the quality was off from prevous batches they got and had not been consistant lately. Being the perfectionists they are they refuse to release under standard products so they ended up running out while this new Perfumist is coming up with the new formula. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/13 "2009-01-12T13:36:30Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Oh I know I forgot to mention that. I had some dropper bottles left from a couple of Cleo bottles and I transfered mine to that to use. I dont have the dryness problem but I am a lotion diva. > > Did you see any results with it ? > > Tisha Nope. 5 minutes after drydown there is absolutely no smell at all. So, no hits. No nothing except a dry residue that smells like nothing. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-do-women-in-their-30s-and-on-the-pill-need-bigger-doses-of-cops/24686/14 "2009-01-12T16:42:53Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Nope. 5 minutes after drydown there is absolutely no smell at all. So, no hits. No nothing except a dry residue that smells like nothing. > > Diane Well I’ve ordered 2 bottles of the oil version of EOW. I know it’s said to be less potent than the spray one, but I figured that if it doesn’t work neat, I can use it as the base for my own mixing 🙄 but that will have to come a bit later after I have tested out the individual phero’s first of course and I know what works for me adn what doesn’t. Hopefully I’ll have a rough idea by late Feb/early march as I’m off to South Africa for a few months then and I have a feeling oil based mixes will work better in the heat right?