# Copulins: what to pair them with for social proof, and is current EoW weaker? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 8, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799 "2009-05-08T21:32:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/21 "2009-05-09T01:55:22Z")
> [@Young\_Beast](#): > > Yeah of course man lol > > And what I witnessed today was not that subtle? Really blatant stuff when I added the Jerk in. Easy respect/social proof and very obvious. No disrespect from anyone at all. Ppl holding the door more open than usual etc. A girl gave me two things of hers today(a cookie and gatorade LOL)(more in my journal soon) which is pretty weird for her > > So is the social proof gonna be less like what I just described above? If so, I might go 4 drops of EoW in Ammo. I want it to be as blatant as today, every day, resulting in my image becoming that. You’re not understanding social proof. The IJ is 12.5 mcg/androstenone per spray, IIRC. The cops play a smaller part by far. Copulins are subtle on a man, and more is not always better. You don’t need to or want to add cops to IJ. You also don’t need to use more than 3 drops per ounce. The effect if the [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) on social proof is mainly the dominant male effects of the high androstenone. Copulins just add an accent mark. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/22 "2009-05-09T01:57:17Z")
> [@pyot67](#): > > i think u should tell me wth ur talking about! > COPULINS?? i understand what it is…but…how would u even add it to a mix??? and why need it if other products have it? > > AND should i get Instant Shine, or Instant Jerk, or both? > and i heard u used ammo and it worked for you??? > > PLEASE FILL ME IN ON YOUR RESULTS AND WHATS GOING ON 😕 Gentlemen, copulins is a very subtle effect on a man. Overdoing it is not good. You don’t need copulins. They act as a small enhancement. This is getting blown out of proportion. ---
**Author:** ![pyot67](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@pyot67](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pyot67)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/23 "2009-05-09T01:58:01Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Gentlemen, copulins is a very subtle effect on a man. Overdoing it is not good. You don’t need copulins. They act as a small enhancement. This is getting blown out of proportion. LOL discussion ends here? ---
**Author:** ![pyot67](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@pyot67](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pyot67)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/25 "2009-05-09T02:07:40Z")
🆒Interesting… ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/27 "2009-05-09T02:42:37Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > So you want people in High School to think you’re getting laid by using cops? Well, if that’s your thing then that’s your thing. However, you _don’t_ have to prove anything to anyone but yourself. If you do want to prove it to someone, it’s better to do it than to fake it by wearing cops, and as cat said it’s pretty subtle compared to actually having a girl next to you as proof that you two did the “deed” than by wearing a couple of sprays of cops. > > If you still want to give out that aura that cops gives, just make sure to follow cat’s directions and be very careful. Wouldn’t want you to get stalked by the mens! 🙄 Ahhh lol, I definitely don’t _need_ it bro. I just would like to have it. I know I don’t gotta prove nothin, and like I said in my journal, I’m pretty popular in the first place. I just want to amplify it a little. Add some icing on my cake. Ya know? And LMAO, yeah a couple of guy friends were sorta freaking flirty today? Kinda scares me about their true feelings 😮 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/28 "2009-05-09T02:57:37Z")
Well, if you already fit that profile and have it down then by all means go for it man. It seems like you’re already in that part congruently, but just make sure to play safe and don’t go too congruent on the jerk/-none aggressiveness part so you won’t gain enemies or whatever. I’ve always felt IJ worked well on me, because I’m pretty much a nice guy so I never succumb to the “jerk” in IJ. So I always just try to work with its positives. You know? Like the positive confidence IJ gives you, confidence to walk with your head straight up, and that gutsy feeling IJ gives you. I’ve always have worn it with socials though, so that’s another thing. Just to make it 50/50. > [@Young\_Beast](#): > > Ahhh lol, I definitely don’t _need_ it bro. I just would like to have it. I know I don’t gotta prove nothin, and like I said in my journal, I’m pretty popular in the first place. I just want to amplify it a little. Add some icing on my cake. Ya know? > > And LMAO, yeah a couple of guy friends were sorta freaking flirty today? Kinda scares me about their true feelings 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/29 "2009-05-09T04:29:03Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Well, if you already fit that profile and have it down then by all means go for it man. It seems like you’re already in that part congruently, but just make sure to play safe and don’t go too congruent on the jerk/-none aggressiveness part so you won’t gain enemies or whatever. > > I’ve always felt IJ worked well on me, because I’m pretty much a nice guy so I never succumb to the “jerk” in IJ. So I always just try to work with its positives. You know? **Like the positive confidence IJ gives you, confidence to walk with your head straight up, and that gutsy feeling IJ gives you.** I’ve always have worn it with socials though, so that’s another thing. Just to make it 50/50. Ah yes I know exactly what you mean bro. It’s so comforting, almost like a high 😮 That is why I am trying to replicate it, but in a less intimidating way 😛 My new “Ammocop”(xD) mix should do the trick hehe I just tested out 3 sprays of Ammo and nope, doesn’t fit the swagger. This makes me believe that the copulins in IJ contribute to the feeling. Why? Hehe, testosterone 😛 😛 😛 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/30 "2009-05-09T17:40:23Z")
> [@Young\_Beast](#): > > Ahhh lol, I definitely don’t _need_ it bro. I just would like to have it. I know I don’t gotta prove nothin, and like I said in my journal, I’m pretty popular in the first place. I just want to amplify it a little. Add some icing on my cake. Ya know? > > And LMAO, yeah a couple of guy friends were sorta freaking flirty today? Kinda scares me about their true feelings 😮 Oh boy. Here we go. Let’s make one thing perfectly clear. Wearing enough cops to turn on other men… does not mean they’re gay. It means they HAVE to be either straight or bisexual - and genuine bisexuals are pretty rare. They make up a VERY small percentage of the population. Copulins will turn off and repel gay men. And some bisexual men, too. Believe me. I have used it frequently to “stop the flirting” with a couple of the gay guys I know. So if you use cops, and some of your male friends start acting flirty, chances are: A) You have seriously OD’d on cops. B) you have proven that they’re hetero. C) You’re cruisin’ for a bruisin’ once they realize how they’re responding to another male. Think of social proof strength copulins as a “+10%” effect. whatever good you’d get otherwise, add 10% and that’s what you’ll usually experience with SP cops. However, those people you repel will give a -30%+ response. So wearing cops with ammo works because ammo is masculine and it makes sense to be paired with cops for what it’s “saying” to begin with. Masculine, social, fun. Makes sense that such a guy would be sexually active. ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/31 "2009-05-09T19:07:21Z")
As I am reading this thread I cant stop laughing. All I can imagine is CatLord doing what Marty’s avitar does as he tries to explain this. Dont worry about the neg rep. If you say something “playerish”, there is a woman in this forum who loves to go around posting negative comments in peoples rep boxes instead of posting in the forum for everyone to see. Quite fucking coward-like. You are not the first. Don’t sweat it, she seems to be some scorned sci-fi’er. ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/32 "2009-05-09T22:44:31Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Oh boy. Here we go. > > Let’s make one thing perfectly clear. Wearing enough cops to turn on other men… does not mean they’re gay. It means they HAVE to be either straight or bisexual - and genuine bisexuals are pretty rare. They make up a VERY small percentage of the population. Copulins will turn off and repel gay men. And some bisexual men, too. Believe me. I have used it frequently to “stop the flirting” with a couple of the gay guys I know. > > So if you use cops, and some of your male friends start acting flirty, chances are: > > A) You have seriously OD’d on cops. > B) you have proven that they’re hetero. > C) You’re cruisin for a bruisin once they realize how they’re responding to another male. > > Think of social proof strength copolunis as a “+10%” effect. whatever good you’d get otherwise, add 10% and that’s what you’ll usually experience with SP cops. > > However, those people you repel will give a -30%+ response. > > So wearing cops with ammo works because ammo is masculine and it makes sense to be paired with cops for what it’s “saying” to begin with. Masculine, social, fun. Makes sense that such a guy would be sexually active. I really do get what you are saying. In fact, your last paragraph is congruent with my whole thought of Ammo + cops. It would go great with Ammo because it would add spice to the already spicy aura, correct? That’s what I was saying all along.. I think you’re misinterpreting what I was trying to give off. I wasn’t saying cops do everything. If I was saying that then I would have just used cops by themselves. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/33 "2009-05-10T00:36:21Z")
> [@Young\_Beast](#): > > I really do get what you are saying. In fact, your last paragraph is congruent with my whole thought of Ammo + cops. > > It would go great with Ammo because it would add spice to the already spicy aura, correct? That’s what I was saying all along.. I think you’re misinterpreting what I was trying to give off. > > I wasn’t saying cops do everything. If I was saying that then I would have just used cops by themselves. I was really more worried that you were thinking the guys responding to it were gay. But yes, it goes well with Ammo because it is congruent with the message Ammo gives. ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/34 "2009-05-10T02:15:56Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I was really more worried that you were thinking the guys responding to it were gay. But yes, it goes well with Ammo because it is congruent with the message Ammo gives. LOL naw that comment I made was a joke. Even though they were acting a little soft, they weren’t literally flirting with me ROFL. And even then, I would know they weren’t really gay. Everything you said was right It’s all good bro, we’re just two victims in a world of misunderstandings 😃 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/35 "2009-05-11T00:51:15Z")
Try it. 6 drops of straight copulins. Go to a gay bar. See who hits on you. lmao ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/36 "2009-05-11T05:28:18Z")
Is there something you’d like to share with us, Catlord? Prior similar experience, perhaps? 😉 -D4 > [@catlord17](#): > > Try it. 6 drops of straight copulins. Go to a gay bar. See who hits on you. lmao ---
**Author:** ![m3turbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@m3turbo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/m3turbo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/37 "2009-05-11T20:26:43Z")
My 2 cents on cops when I have wore them is that they drive away most females and make you seem grimey. The only females who were into it were real bohemian types of girls who seemed like they might be bi or gay. I am glad to hear though that other people are having luck with it its a genius idea in theory.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/38 "2009-05-11T21:02:28Z")
Well it all depends on environment. I dunno where you live, but there are extremely large amounts of sexually liberal girls around here. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/39 "2009-05-12T04:54:06Z")
I think EOW is a tricky difficult product to use, and my friend has been using the gentler Passion Copulin Concentrate with some success, but the strong feminine fruity perfume just seemed ridiculous on my friend. A good gentle alternative is SOE/W gel packs to try it out and c if it works before committing to full bottles. Apparently,A-nol is a great buffer for Cops and the Cops in SOE/W is much less potent than the above 2 products. Works well with Ammo or TUH, as Catlord states, creates a balanced, congruent message. I am a big fan of combining female [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) with male, but only in small doses and it must be balanced with a masculine pheromone. TAH and TAL r the popular and perhaps safer choices than COPS. Something about TAH in particular that combines great with Androstenone. Why? there may be abit of sexual-social proofing here too, not that u have slept with a woman pers se, but the women just connect, vibe and build sensual comfort with u that much easier…and yes, TAH and TAL are sexual and forward with very little risk at doses between 2.5 and 10mcgs’s. Infact, the results with TAH progressively improved between 5 and 10mcg with 2.5mcg being too subtle. So yes, adding small amounts of 1 or 2 female products work great, but perhaps stick to the neutral less-risky stuff. TAH in actuality has been my secret additive to most mixes to amplify attraction. Copulins however, especially when using gentle products like lust after me or soe for women - can be affective…and deifnatley so in sexually liberated areas such as Montreal, Sweden, Australia, France, Brazil etc…so, depends where u live. Im in Sydney and Tuh/Soe for women has really worked for me at any bars where for some crazy reason, 7/10 women r bisexual or doing it for attention. If i lived in Dubai however, i cannot really see the influence it would have. ---
**Author:** ![pupy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bc8723/32.png) [@pupy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pupy)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/40 "2009-05-12T07:37:49Z")
I skim-read a bunch of this thread so if I’m stating completely obvious points of saying something that’s been said before, sorry. Copulins _ **on a guy** _ I would assume should bring about the desired effect **only** if your personality already fits the chemical message being sent. For example, if you’re the guy who people never exchange sex stories with because they assume you’re already more “experienced” than they are and they don’t want to appear immature in front of you, then copulins will definitely enhance that image. But if you’re the guy who’s using pheros to get out there and be more adventurous (basically, change your whole persona), then copulins will more likely than not spoil things for you. And like mahalo silver suggested, it also depends on the location you’re using them. If you’re surrounding yourself with highly conservative girls, copulins aren’t going to help you unless you know that a rebel is going to be found as highly desirable. Same time, I have a question for Young Beast! and catlord17… if you were to wear copulins around a (girl) friend, what’s the general reaction? I mean, wearing none might come on as quite aggressive, where as copulins might (at least in my mind) set her at ease because she doesn’t feel like she’s a target anymore. Am I right? ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/41 "2009-05-12T20:44:31Z")
> [@mahalo\_silver](#): > > I think EOW is a tricky difficult product to use, and my friend has been using the gentler Passion Copulin Concentrate with some success, but the strong feminine fruity perfume just seemed ridiculous on my friend. A good gentle alternative is SOE/W gel packs to try it out and c if it works before committing to full bottles. Apparently,A-nol is a great buffer for Cops and the Cops in SOE/W is much less potent than the above 2 products. Works well with Ammo or TUH, as Catlord states, creates a balanced, congruent message. > > I am a big fan of combining female pheromones with male, but only in small doses and it must be balanced with a masculine pheromone. TAH and TAL r the popular and perhaps safer choices than COPS. Something about TAH in particular that combines great with Androstenone. Why? there may be abit of sexual-social proofing here too, not that u have slept with a woman pers se, but the women just connect, vibe and build sensual comfort with u that much easier…and yes, TAH and TAL are sexual and forward with very little risk at doses between 2.5 and 10mcgs’s. Infact, the results with TAH progressively improved between 5 and 10mcg with 2.5mcg being too subtle. So yes, adding small amounts of 1 or 2 female products work great, but perhaps stick to the neutral less-risky stuff. TAH in actuality has been my secret additive to most mixes to amplify attraction. > > Copulins however, especially when using gentle products like lust after me or soe for women - can be affective…and deifnatley so in sexually liberated areas such as Montreal, Sweden, Australia, France, Brazil etc…so, depends where u live. Im in Sydney and Tuh/Soe for women has really worked for me at any bars where for some crazy reason, 7/10 women r bisexual or doing it for attention. If i lived in Dubai however, i cannot really see the influence it would have. Very nice man. I might scrap the Ammocop and look into Ammo + TAH ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 10:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799/42 "2009-05-13T10:09:26Z")
I totaly agree with mahalo silver he seems to have it down perfectly, There is a fine line when using the opposite sexes mones. You want to go low on the female stuff just to enhance the male mones. Keep in mind that women usually have a good rapport with gay men and befriend them and when you use female mones you may very well likely be seeing more women interacting with you or being friendly. The question is are they interested in you as a man or are they assuming your not a threat. Using to much female mones can push you over that line even when it comes to copulins. Only a small percentage of women will respond to social proofing and environment will make a huge difference. Cops are different then the other female molecules. Its impossible for men to make them so they wont get the gay vibe from this one. Tisha [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/copulins-what-to-pair-them-with-for-social-proof-and-is-current-eow-weaker/28799.md?page=3)