# Could pheromones affect your dreams? **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [February 13, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020 "2007-02-13T15:21:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3bc359/32.png) [@badger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/badger)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/1 "2007-02-13T15:21:38Z")
Had IS, TUTH and A314 for around a week now, haven’t used them every day or at the same time, but it seems that they all have some kind of effect on my dreams. Obviously I can’t be sure about this by the nature of dreaming itself, but the 4 or 5 times I have used them, they’ve all been fairly late in the day around 9/10PM and I’ve always had, what seem to me as to be more vivd, “stronger” dreams. Could this just be random or have the pehero’s affected my sleep in some way? could there be a more direct effect where the phero’s are still being recognised in my sleep. I could be way off the mark here but just thought I’d see what other people think? ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/2 "2007-02-13T19:53:21Z")
A couple people have touched on [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and dreams. I have noted some effects myself. p83 for example made my dreams very ordered. There was one thread in particular that mentioned spraying turn up the heat on ones face prior to going to bed. This resulted in very sexual and often wet dreams. The wet dream may be a side effect exclusivly to that person, but the sexual dreams have been expressed by more than just this individual. Vivid, lucid, and waking dreams have also been reported with many pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2007, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/3 "2007-02-13T20:50:07Z")
One of the reasons that I wanted TAF was to explore dreaming. I got it yesterday 😉. I sprayed 25mcg of TAF to chin about 3 hours before sleep, another 25 mcg 30 minutes before sleep. While still awake, I felt a “stretch” of consciousness, with the OCD / clean up component of TAF forward, but not overpowering. My subjective experience of time was a bit faster than without TAF – meaning that my typical brain performance was a bit overclocked: in five minutes, I thought through six or seven minutes of mental process. When I woke, I remembered having an “engaged dream” – a bit short of being a lucid dream (where I notice and am aware of dreaming, while dreaming). In my “engaged” dream, I exercised direction over the content and plot of the dream, but I didn’t have the “I’m dreaming” awareness. I like this…🆒 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2007, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/4 "2007-02-13T22:34:54Z")
This could be a fascinating experiment. I possess a mind machine and have been thinking of trying it out with some of the pheromones. Pheromones are so NOT one sided. ---
**Author:** ![The\_GQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_GQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_GQ)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/5 "2007-02-15T04:06:55Z")
Very interesting, I’ve read a few people talking about pheromones and their dreams, I guess once I get mine, I’ll have to see for myself, it’s another section of pheromones that once again fascinates me, I wonder if a scientific connection can be made here. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2007, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/6 "2007-02-15T21:44:55Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > One of the reasons that I wanted TAF was to explore dreaming. I got it yesterday 😉. cool piece that discusses the Reticular Activating System (RAS) is here. TAF ‘prevents premature closure of the RAS’ so it makes sense that it is associated with vivid dreams… I wonder whethe TAF would enhance the effects of hypnosis and/or other kinds of personal change programs (bodywork?) [Transforming the Mind - Background Psychology](http://www.trans4mind.com/transformation/transform4.1.htm) At this level of the brain, the basal region, in the brain stem, we also find the Reticular Activating System (RAS), an area which is enormously important because of its role in arousal and awareness. Our ability to think and perceive, even our power to respond to stimuli with anything beyond a mere reflex, is due to the brain cortex, but the cortex cannot function unless it is in an aroused state - awake. The brain cortex cannot wake itself up; what awakens the cortex from sleep and keeps it awake is the RAS. The RAS is also invoked in order to switch from perception of things outside us, to perception of things within our inner world. The RAS regulates and controls all our muscular activity and all our sensory perceptions; the cortex and RAS operate in a feedback mode, the purpose of which is to maintain an optimum level of arousal (see the following paper ‘States of Cortical Arousal’). Sensations which reach the brain cortex are fed back to the RAS, and when the level of activity becomes too high, the RAS sends inhibitory signals to the cortex to reduce the excitation. Anxiety states occur when the inhibitory function of the RAS **fails to keep cortical activity within comfortable limits. On the other hand, in a sensory deprivation situation, where the level of stimulation reaching the RAS via the cortex is too low, the RAS sends stimulating signals to the cortex to maintain alertness, frequently resulting in hallucinations. It is the RAS which switches on the cortex during sleep to produce vivid dreams.** It is also responsible, during dreaming sleep, for inhibiting the activity of the whole spinal cord, so that the person does not literally enact the dream and possibly endanger himself. It is the function of biofeedback to facilitate co-operation between the cortex and the RAS, in order to achieve self-regulation. The brain can receive, classify and respond to sensory information without such data penetrating into consciousness. However, if a repeated stimulus finally results in conscious awareness, this is because the RAS has been activated. This is the capacity of the brain for selective attention: when reading a book, especially if it is sufficiently interesting, the reader will be oblivious to surrounding distractions. This duality of perception is necessary to man’s survival. Consciousness is a limited capacity system and needs to be used to maximum advantage. Limiting inflow of data would be detrimental, but what is needed is a variable restriction on what enters into consciousness. To achieve this, at the pre-conscious stage of the perceptual process, the brain detects the meaning of the incoming information and then initiates an appropriate change in the level of its sensitivity from the RAS level. In this way, important, meaningful data are more likely than trivial information to achieve conscious representation. That the RAS can be trained is clear. Mother will awake on hearing her baby while father sleeps on. Father, in the country, will awake when he hears the dog bark, but on a visit to town he soon learns to ignore a dog’s bark while he is sleeping. Many functions have a completely automatic program - if one wishes to move an arm, there is no need to decide which muscles to use. However, we can run almost all our life ‘on automatic’; our reactions to other people and particular situations are very often controlled by a program, the existence of which we are completely unaware. Such habits based on fixed beliefs may well be irrational: ungrounded in reality, inappropriate and self-defeating. Such a program or reaction had been imprinted in a rather traumatic situation, or may have been installed by a process of repetitive conditioning, but we go on responding the same old way, though the present situation may be significantly different. This is the price we risk paying for the advantages of a variable threshold to consciousness. Psychotherapy helps us to look at these old habits and to learn why we make a particular response or have a particular reaction, so that new, more appropriate programs may be consciously installed. The RAS and the limbic system work closely together. The top part of the brain stem contains the RAS which then merges into the mid-brain limbic system: a collection of associated structures that play an important role in emotion and motivation. The central part of the limbic system is the hippocampus, which processes incoming information from short-term to long-term memory, and is therefore vital to learning. The limbic system seems to be responsible for many of the strange phenomena of altered states of consciousness, such as loss of body boundaries, feelings of floating or flying and strange visual experiences such as sensations of white light. ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/7 "2007-02-16T21:26:44Z")
Interesting post, PheroQuirk. That’s something else to be added to my to-do list when the pheros get here. Use them for lucid dreaming. I’ve been interested in it for a while, and I had an experiment where I would try to provoke a lucid dream. Every night, for a couple of months I would tell myself that I wasn’t going to blank out like most people do. I was going to fall asleep while maintaining consciousness. Night after night, the experiment failed. Until one night, weeks later, it worked. Sort of. I got the experience of floating that you described. A complete loss of bodily sensation. Then I was falling. It felt like the bed had lost all friction, and was now at an angle of 70 degrees to the floor. Problem was, I would always fall head first. That is damned scary, if a stone wall is just behind your bed. If I could fall feet first, I’ll bet I could teach any mystic a few things about lucid dreaming by now. But no, I always fell head first. I would snap awake convinced I would smash my head open, and the experiment was abandoned after many attempts to overcome that barrier. If anyone wants to repeat the experiment, and report back with results, I’d be very interested. Musk ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/8 "2007-02-16T21:58:22Z")
> [@](#): > > [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) ‘prevents premature closure of the RAS’ we know this how? ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/9 "2007-02-16T22:10:38Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > we know this how? that’s a quote from MHarris (I don’t know how he knows it, but my personal experience of TAF is certainly at least consistent with this - it’s posted in the oldest TAF thread here I think). ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/10 "2007-02-16T22:17:57Z")
> [@MuskCloud](#): > > Interesting post, PheroQuirk. > > That’s something else to be added to my to-do list when the pheros get here. Use them for lucid dreaming. > > I’ve been interested in it for a while, and I had an experiment where I would try to provoke a lucid dream. Every night, for a couple of months I would tell myself that I wasn’t going to blank out like most people do. I was going to fall asleep while maintaining consciousness. > > Night after night, the experiment failed. Until one night, weeks later, it worked. Sort of. I got the experience of floating that you described. A complete loss of bodily sensation. Then I was falling. It felt like the bed had lost all friction, and was now at an angle of 70 degrees to the floor. > > Problem was, I would always fall head first. That is damned scary, if a stone wall is just behind your bed. If I could fall feet first, I’ll bet I could teach any mystic a few things about lucid dreaming by now. But no, I always fell head first. I would snap awake convinced I would smash my head open, and the experiment was abandoned after many attempts to overcome that barrier. > > If anyone wants to repeat the experiment, and report back with results, I’d be very interested. > > Musk Musk - that’s very scary… I haven’t tried this myself but remember reading that pink noise can help induce lucid dreams. Have had some oddly geopolitical dystopian dreams with TAF after a few glasses of red wine but not yet experienced the lucid state. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/11 "2007-02-16T22:22:11Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > This could be a fascinating experiment. I possess a mind machine and have been thinking of trying it out with some of the pheromones. > > Pheromones are so NOT one sided. Not sure if you were here when he posted, but tacitus has explored synergy between mind machines, mones (partic fem mones) + hypnosis tapes and you might take a look at those posts. I am at the early stages of experimentation here, but fem mones (EST, TAH) do seem to increase corpus callosum inter-hemisphere communication and lots of people have found betanol good for enhancing meditative states. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/12 "2007-02-16T22:41:43Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Musk - that’s very scary… I haven’t tried this myself but remember reading that pink noise can help induce lucid dreams. Have had some oddly geopolitical dystopian dreams with TAF after a few glasses of red wine but not yet experienced the lucid state. Ok, what is pink noise? I’ve heard of white noise, but not pink. What’s next, purple, green, periwinkle! AAHHH! what’s this world coming to. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/13 "2007-02-17T06:30:54Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Not sure if you were here when he posted, but tacitus has explored synergy between mind machines, pheromones (partic fem pheromones) + hypnosis tapes and you might take a look at those posts. > > I am at the early stages of experimentation here, but fem pheromones (EST, TAH) do seem to increase corpus callosum inter-hemisphere communication and lots of people have found betanol good for enhancing meditative states. Thanks PheroQuirk I’ll be sure to read about it. I thought I might have come across the post once and said I needed to go back to read it. Again thanks for reminding me-I think ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 8:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/14 "2007-02-23T08:31:44Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > that’s a quote from MHarris (I don’t know how he knows it, but my personal experience of TAF is certainly at least consistent with this - it’s posted in the oldest TAF thread here I think). My use of TAF has resulted in lucid dreams twice so far. Would TAF be a good [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to help somebody regain a memory,someone who can’t remember their friends etc… kind of amnesiac? ---
**Author:** ![Fra\_Septimus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fra_septimus/32/692_2.png) [@Fra\_Septimus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fra_Septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2007, 12:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/15 "2007-09-02T12:29:01Z")
I have some TAF on order specifically to test the Lucid Dream aspect. Thanks to all for the suggestion. I’ll post results when I have them. ---
**Author:** ![Fra\_Septimus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fra_septimus/32/692_2.png) [@Fra\_Septimus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fra_Septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-pheromones-affect-your-dreams/2020/16 "2007-09-03T14:52:27Z")
I’ve got some TAF on the way specifically to try with lucid dreaming. I’ll let you know if it works.