# Could someone offer some advice to a noob regarding gym **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 21, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774 "2010-10-21T13:50:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Trip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@Trip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trip)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774/1 "2010-10-21T13:50:48Z")
Great day, I am wired, finished my last exam, got awesome news about career, running like a fine tuned-engine. Time to go my third test. In my utility belt I have a togo of Ammo, an A314 and An [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). I adhere - after reading numerous posts, to the comments of the group, and unwisely apply 1 x Ammo to wrists, and 1 x A314 + 1 x IS to either side of my neck (note never again: congruency is both psychosociological and physical…next time I shall stick to my own analysis - for the uninformed I will post my discussion from the intro in here at a later date). Regardless, I hit the gym. Best to describe my frame…ya see, this pheromone thing was always the way it worked for me, way before I even heard of this stuff. Meaning the effect everyone seeks from mones, well, for me it can be generated. Well, the mones, seem to balance natural homeostatic reuptake, limit environmental variables and the natural asymmetry of degenerated DNA (i.e. aging). Still, I want advice, because, see, I’m in gym, doing body attack. Its 95% girls, 85% of which are hot. But the A314, Ammo and IS, well, they have me powered up like supercharger. I see myself in the mirror, a combination of the hulk, wolverine and Borat. Seriously, I scare myself I look so fkn Alpha. So gents, what do I do? The power/rage/alphaness was intense, I loved it. It clicked so well with my wired/intense/full-on fitness nature that I was superpowered. But fk me, I wouldn’t go near me either! Too powerful, too intimidating. I was amazed shy geeky girl from my first post experience approached, but her head was pounding with so much blood rushing through her veins, I thought she was going to nuclear meltdown. So yeah, the damn things work, but chicks don’t dig the hulk : ) Oh - postscript. I have IOx2, P83, P79, and TUTH in the mail to me. This might seem odd, but in the gym, i need to de-alpha..? Damn - one other thing. I have a really strong sense of smell, and even with the smallest amount I am swimming through the weight of these things. I am not sure about you guys, but I feel like am wearing a bucket of horse testical sweat, cheap hooker’s panties and sabre-tooth tiger urine washed down with Popeye’s spinach aftershave. Is there anyway to tone down the smell, its toooo much ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774/2 "2010-10-21T15:00:39Z")
I think you just need to soften up your image a bit. This topic has been covered before but not the “I’m too alpha” vibe. Try out some [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) or some CTTM, if you don’t have those, skip the A314 for now and work with some IO and IS. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774/3 "2010-10-21T15:25:25Z")
P51 made a good suggestion with both of those, I personally thing you would benefit a lot from [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). It can cut away at some of that “intimidation” at lower doses. ---
**Author:** ![Trip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@Trip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trip)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774/4 "2010-10-21T21:22:06Z")
Gosh - it would be a tough tradeoff. I went to the gym again this morning - and man oh man - the A314 is like superpower juice. I had so much energy - full-on power testosterone machine horse train. I realise I probably come across as a wanker - but seriously, closing conversation this morning as the class finished. Me: 'Hey man that was awesome, but seemed like you and me were the only ones enjoying" (might have had something to do with the most people were - tired/half asleep/fatigue - it was 7am after all…but not me! : ) Bloke" 'yeah man, we are the 3 bulls!" Now I don’t actually know this guy at all, but he was wired as well…I mean, in an enclosed space, with fans blowing air around, how much is this stuff going to effect everyone. Normally I generate a massive amount of heat and sweat, but with a314, my entire body arcs up, I am almost completely red (normally a white guy) and generating so much heat I have to stand in front of the fans. Well - thanks, I shall look through the threads for the scent aspect, and cut the A314 from the gym (bit of a shame). Funny, I wasn’t even interested in hits, was having too much fun : ) Oh don’t get me wrong regarding the scent. In fact, having just got back from the gym and sitting in front of the PC, I realise my own scent has been powered up. I smell like sex, earth and surprisingly, chocolate. Maybe this is attractive? I feel like a caveman. But not sexual. More like I want to go a wrestle a bear. Well, I shall post my previous comments for consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Trip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@Trip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trip)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774/5 "2010-10-21T21:32:48Z")
Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Having reviewed an number of posts (including your journal Josie) I suppose I can’t help but wonder about the stimulus/response mechanism of the introduction of pheromones into an environment. In nature these markers appear to be dispensed according to environmental factors (seasonal/fight/flight). When applying this to human scenario’s, an example is exhilarating/unifying aspect of adrenalin (as illustrated in Josie’s previous post). I suppose I can’t help but wonder around the projection/dispensation aspects relative to human metabolism… anyway, I am sure I shall be able to test my ideas soon enough. Not meaning to be rude, but how does a new user claim their gift voucher? October 18th, 2010, 04:10 AM #13 (permalink) 1Alpha Anxious to use my mones! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Los Angeles Age: 42 Posts: 227 Thanks: 21 Thanked 30 Times in 29 Posts Nominated 6 Times in 5 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Reputation: 43 Provided Answers: 4 (Mark Best Answer) Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Quote: Originally Posted by Trip Having reviewed an number of posts (including your journal Josie) I suppose I can’t help but wonder about the stimulus/response mechanism of the introduction of pheromones into an environment. In nature these markers appear to be dispensed according to environmental factors (seasonal/fight/flight). When applying this to human scenario’s, an example is exhilarating/unifying aspect of adrenalin (as illustrated in Josie’s previous post). I suppose I can’t help but wonder around the projection/dispensation aspects relative to human metabolism… anyway, I am sure I shall be able to test my ideas soon enough. Not meaning to be rude, but how does a new user claim their gift voucher? Hey Trip, Fascinating comments! Itching to see your observations on the mones you use. I got my GC after 5 days, mostly because I posted on a Friday night, I think. AD is off on the weekends. You should send Mickaelia a PM, PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum - View Profile: Mickaelia see what’s the holdup. Then when she gets it first thing Monday, you can get an answer from her. I suggest you look at Tisha23’s comments on what are considered ‘HITS’ to some and comparing the results of pheromones after application and pre-application. Good read, link is below on my sig. Good 'moning!!! * * * My Experience and journal with Amazing in a bottle! Finding your sweet spot by Steve O How do you know what are HITS!? by Tisha23 What’s your personality type? I’m-INTJ If u liked my post, thank me on the lower right corner! Weapons Locker(small caliber): Instant Shine_2 Instant Open_2 Instant Honesty\*2 A314 [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) TUTH Top 5 Wish list: TAF TAC P93 P90 (I know its a P…get it when i growup) ICM 2.0 aka Essence of Steve(I can dream!!!) October 18th, 2010, 11:06 AM #14 (permalink) Mickaelia Androtics Sweetheart Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Indies Age: 26 Posts: 3,678 Thanks: 364 Thanked 370 Times in 329 Posts Nominated 2 Times in 2 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Reputation: 699 Provided Answers: 59 (Mark Best Answer) Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Welcome to Pherotalk Trip! Nice selection. I see that you are very intelligent guy who has done his research. I just can’t wait to see the results when you have started on these. Your interest will be even more intrigued with this forum because it offers just more than sexual products but research and more information than one can handle. Your gc was issued. * * * Order Inquiries: Please use my Knowledge-Base articles to search for the most common questions by going here: [https://a314.com/](https://a314.com/) PLEASE DO NOT PRIVATE MESSAGE (PM) ON THE FORUM ABOUT AN ORDER, AS IT’S NOT SECURE (Notice the word “secure” in the link above) If you don’t find the answer you’re looking for, please submit a support ticket at the same location as the Knowledge-Base. As always, you can also reach me by phone. In the US, call 1-800-671-6464. Internationally, 01-425-786-2000. [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) October 18th, 2010, 02:32 PM #15 (permalink) Trip Pheromone Cadet Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 37 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Reputation: 10 (Mark Best Answer) Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Thankyou for the prompt response and GC : ) I shall now order additional compounds. To be honest, I am also somewhat skeptical. I am not doubting the efficacy of the compounds, more their consistency of impact. For compound to be viable, the effect needs to be able to be repeated when applied within the same situation (reliable) and actually achieve what it aspires to do (valid). That said, the continued interest and commercial viability would illustrate their ‘realness’. Anyways, I have been thinking…something about the random placement of metabolic markers (supposedly provided by nature in response flight/flight/reproduction environment variables) doesn’t gel with me. Hmmm See - from my perspective - the human body runs with its own ebb and flow, energy cycle, electromagnetic field, heat radiance and (adding to this list : ) pheromone signature. Numerous spiritual/traditional theories delineate these pathways and their associated nodal energy/nerve fiber repository. Apologies if this is text is a bit random - its just my rambling anyways. So - here’s a few examples: Chakra’s (Hinduism), Meridians (Taoist/Confucianism), and Sephirot (Kabbalah): Chakra meridians - Google Search Serpents of the_Kundalini_Fire The Tree of Life Again, apologies for the randomness - just skip to the Western interpretation of Chakra’s in the wiki if bored (I assume anyone reading this feel asleep a few minutes back : ) I guess the part that I am wondering about is the relative placement of pheromones on the body relational those parts of the body that are conceptual energy centers for the influence/creation of the effect that a person is trying to achieve… In following this hypothetical red herring, one might presume that placement of pheromones at key position of the spine (top of skull for a314 , base of skull - top of back of neck for IH /IS, between shoulder blades for IO , on each shoulder for ammo , and perhaps wrist’forearm and coccyx bone for TUTH ). I suppose the point is the align synchronisitic aspects and ensure an element of balance between the induced (i.e. pretend) pheromone and the natural equilibrium existing within the body. Perhaps its of no relevance… > **[Symmetry in biology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_(biology))** > > Symmetry in biology refers to the symmetry observed in organisms, including plants, animals, fungi, and bacteria. External symmetry can be easily seen by just looking at an organism. For example, the face of a human being has a plane of symmetry down its centre, or a pine cone displays a clear symmetrical spiral pattern. Internal features can also show symmetry, for example the tubes in the human body (responsible for transporting gases, nutrients, and waste products) which are cylindrical and h... The other consideration I have is in regard to homeostasis…has there been any analysis of down-regulation of personal pheromone production in relation to induced states? Clearly natural down-regulation occurs with age, but too much of a good thing could over-tip the scales, yes? Not expecting an answer. Just appreciating the community and - well - procrastinating (again!) October 18th, 2010, 02:38 PM #16 (permalink) Trip Pheromone Cadet Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 37 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Reputation: 10 (Mark Best Answer) Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Postscript.. I meant skip to the Chakra bit in the (wiki) on endocrine system - then skip to here: if even more bored than before : ) Endocrine\_system blah blah ; ) October 18th, 2010, 04:03 PM #17 (permalink) Trip Pheromone Cadet Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 37 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Reputation: 10 (Mark Best Answer) Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Ordering done…not what I was expecting I had to get togo versions of TUTH and Ammo …as they were out of stock of others. So additional order included: 30ml IO (double strength) @ 30mcg. 30ml P83 @ 15mcg over Grapefruit 30ml P79 @ 10mcg over Neroli. Volume procured relative to mcg is based both on value for money and previous experience of user. October 19th, 2010, 10:17 PM #18 (permalink) Trip Pheromone Cadet Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 37 Posts: 11 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Reputation: 10 (Mark Best Answer) Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Amazingly quick delivery to the other side of the world. I am not sure I shall keep a journal. But I shall pass on my thanks. Observation: Argh cough splutter, the density of scent/smell/presence of these things is akin to walking in a room completely shrouded in incense smoke. These are heavy compounds, tangible, brooding and untiring. Observation: having rushed to collect my package after completing 3hr exam, I trial togo of ammo to the cocyx and shine to the rear base of my neck. Hmm - accuracy of dispensation is suspect…perhaps I shall progress to my own devices. Generalised observation regarding the first experience: The compounds seem to be about congruency, fit with persona, objectives, projection and perception. They appear to work both ways, on the wearer and person being interacted with. Yes - I had all expected variations - women seeking touch, man snarling then joyous, women sneezing and staring, friendliness from non-friendly’s. Nice. Placebo could come into this… and unfortunately, that previous sentences probably just describes a standard day of mine. However - might as well skip to the ‘hit’ of note. Hit: young girl, shy, geeky, sort of pretty, i’d flirted with her once or twice after gym, she giggled ecstatically on previous indication (analysis: she was very interested). Knew very little about her other than her name. I’m over six foot, very strong/fit/maybe intimidating/sometime get told I look like a demon. She’s maybe 5ft 3, thin, a bit delicate, but fit. If she were a guy, I’d could probably fight 3 of her at once. Don’t worry, I am just setting the context. Most importantly, I can I assure, I am a good person : ) Anyway, I’m finishing my second gym class and she is awaiting the next one outside the glass door, my third class, her first for today. Class starts, continues (mixture of tai chi, yoga, pilates etc a bit camp - but hey - 90% girls in those classes : ) Class near to end, she leaves. Sits outside class, watching…me? not sure. I change, leave gym, talk to another pretty girl (hmm - they aren’t running away - nice). Geeky girl follows behind, see’s me talking to pretty girl. Drives off. I leave in my car, drive 20mins to shopping centre (mall)… go into grocery store, geeky shy girl just happens to appear in the same aisle as me 25mins after class has finished…funny! what a coincidence! hi - blah blah ha ha. Continue shopping. Geeky shy girl lines up a checkout behind me. Talks to me as we leave. Bye - woops don’t have my phone, get your number some other time… Hmmm. One could say placebo. One could say coincidence in a big city. Or one could say I better be careful ; ) October 20th, 2010, 02:14 AM #19 (permalink) JosieW Anything is possible Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: South Carolina Age: 32 Posts: 479 Thanks: 48 Thanked 163 Times in 117 Posts Nominated 3 Times in 3 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Reputation: 174 Provided Answers: 5 (Mark Best Answer) Re: Greetings from curious analytical guy with very strong sense of smell Beautiful. Please be careful sir, you may find some of us wanting to study you as much as you want to study pheromones. Now that you have your mones here is my suggestion. If have not already done so, please start a journal. The journals on here have very valuable information that are very often used to develop new mixes and have a better understanding of what we are dealing with. Secondly please start posting your results in the Men’s forum. This will allow your post to be seen by a larger group thereby facilitating group discussion. I think you should also review the pheromone theory forum. You may be very interested in what you find. I would also recommend that you read journals by Tacitus, Catlord, k-train, Madison tate, and Dancing Joker (can’t remember if he has one). You will find that your theories on chakra and application points will probably garner much discussion. If you will please repost it in the men’s forum as well. The discussion of reliability is very important. The commercial products such as IS, IO , IH , A314 , Instant Sexiness A/B are considered to be reliable. Meaning they have consistent results. All other products are primarily for testing. Reliablity is probably the most tested aspect of the mixes and putatives. * * * My goody bag IS, Ammo, A314, IJ, CTTM2, UF Test pack, Androstenol split test pack, P75, P79, P83, P130, P74 TAF, TAC ---
**Author:** ![Trip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/59ef9b/32.png) [@Trip](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trip)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774/6 "2010-10-21T21:46:45Z")
Hmm - the repost of mine lost the links. The summary is as follows: Nature prefers symmetry: > **[Symmetry in biology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_in_biology)** > > Symmetry in biology refers to the symmetry observed in organisms, including plants, animals, fungi, and bacteria. External symmetry can be easily seen by just looking at an organism. For example, the face of a human being has a plane of symmetry down its centre, or a pine cone displays a clear symmetrical spiral pattern. Internal features can also show symmetry, for example the tubes in the human body (responsible for transporting gases, nutrients, and waste products) which are cylindrical and h... [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are (faked) phenotypes allude to symmetry and good genes (DNA structure): > **[Phenotype](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype)** > > In genetics, the phenotype (from Ancient Greek φαίνω (phaínō) 'to appear, show' and τύπος (túpos) 'mark, type') is the set of observable characteristics or traits of an organism. The term covers all traits of an organism other than its genome, however transitory: the organism's morphology (physical form and structure), its developmental processes, its biochemical and physiological properties whether reversible or irreversible, and all its behavior, such as a peacock's display. An organism's phe... > **[Facial symmetry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_symmetry)** > > Facial symmetry is one specific measure of bodily symmetry. Along with traits such as averageness and youthfulness, it influences judgments of aesthetic traits of physical attractiveness and beauty. For instance, in mate selection, people have been shown to have a preference for symmetry. Facial bilateral symmetry is typically defined as fluctuating asymmetry of the face comparing random differences in facial features of the two sides of the face. The human face also has systematic, directional a... Splashing this stuff randomly about the body doesn’t gel with me as it runs counter to the natural phenotype/symmetry/congruence. Congruence for me is as much an interpersonal disposition as it is about physical placement. Pheromones seek to portray a vibe/energy. Tradition notions of vibe/energy are captured in traditional theories, one being chakras > **[Chakra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra)** > > A chakra (/ˈtʃʌkrəˌˈtʃæk-ˌˈtʃɑːk-/; Sanskrit: चक्र, romanized: cakra, lit. 'wheel, circle'; Pali: cakka) is a meditation-aid in the form of a psychic or psychospiritual energy-center in the subtle body, as visualized in a variety of Hindu and Buddhist tantric yoga and meditation practices. Medieval Buddhist texts from 8th century CE mention four or five chakras, while Hindu sources have various numbers. The best-known variant has seven chakras, as described in Sir John Woodroffe's 1919 book The... Script to the western interpretation - note the following: Endocrine system The primary importance and level of existence of chakras is posited to be in the psyche. However, there are those who believe that chakras have a physical manifestation as well.[17] The author Gary Osborn, for instance, has described the chakras as metaphysical counterparts to the endocrine glands,[18] while Anodea Judith noted a marked similarity between the positions of the two and the roles described for each.[19] Stephen Sturgess also links the lower six chakras to specific nerve plexuses along the spinal cord as well as glands.[20] Jump to endocrine system: > **[Endocrine system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrine_system)** > > The endocrine system is a messenger system in an organism comprising feedback loops of hormones that are released by internal glands directly into the circulatory system and that target and regulate distant organs. In vertebrates, the hypothalamus is the neural control center for all endocrine systems. In humans, the major endocrine glands are the thyroid, parathyroid, pituitary, pineal, and adrenal glands, and the (male) testis and (female) ovaries. The hypothalamus, pancreas, and thymus also ... noting the relationship between chakra, position’s within the body where hormones are produces, relative locations on the spine, then, shake (don’t stir) and you have a notion of physical congruence/symmetry associated with pheromone placement and intent. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/could-someone-offer-some-advice-to-a-noob-regarding-gym/42774/7 "2010-10-26T04:18:50Z")
try not to use AMmo or other -none products in gym front of other guys. I see many of them try to “show-off” in front of me. Punks, lol. I know better - women see through all that crap too- so I just let them act like a$$es, lol