# CTTM 2 and the Girlfriend Catastrophe (copyright pending) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 21, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234 "2009-04-21T03:31:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ball.Saxbury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ball.saxbury/32/1063_2.png) [@Ball.Saxbury](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ball.Saxbury)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/1 "2009-04-21T03:31:21Z")
Well, the verdict is in. If you want to be “the man”, for Steve’s sake (he’s MY god), don’t don’t don’t wear CTTM 2 (or really any nol product). A little background: my girlfriend is 100% into the “alpha” vibe. Anything else and she gets bored. This is her first relationship, because, according to a friend of hers, “nobody else ever kept her interested or challenged her.” Now, don’t get me wrong, it’s fantastic, she’s quite a catch, and my natural personality is very much the composed, stable, strong male. She is additionally highly responsive to AMMO/TUTH and A314. I had never worn anything else around her until now. Anyway, I happened to have on two sprays CTTM 2, which was her first exposure ever to a nol phero. Results were … well … disastrous. Basically, she didn’t take me seriously at all. I couldn’t help but feel that I was acting very unfocused and overly energetic around her. After about an hour of this, she got tired of me and I left. Crap. Well, needless to say, I won’t be doing that again. I felt like I lost my composure as a result of the self-effects, and lost her respect (temporarily) because of the nol and because of my erratic behavior. Product name, scent and strength: CTTM 2, neroli, 1x strength. Application dosage and locations: 2 sprays to chest/throat Enviroment tested in: House, car. Self effects: Erratic, bouncy behavior. Effects to others: Loss of respect. Duration of effects: ~ 1 hour. Effects from mixing with other products: n/a Range: Very, very close. Time exposure: ~ 1 hour. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/2 "2009-07-28T18:50:29Z")
Thank you for posting. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/3 "2009-07-28T19:18:35Z")
Interesting… Might I suggest TUTH? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/4 "2009-07-28T21:45:34Z")
AMMO has Alpha Androstenol, so technically it’s not the first time you’ve worn Androstenol in front of her. Even the -none in AMMO is buffered pretty well thanks to the Androstenol and Androsterone. How were things with her before you wore [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in front of her? ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/5 "2009-07-28T23:32:00Z")
> [@Ball.Saxbury](#): > > Well, the verdict is in. If you want to be “the man”, for Steve’s sake (he’s MY god), don’t don’t don’t wear CTTM 2 (or really any nol product). > > A little background: my girlfriend is 100% into the “alpha” vibe. Anything else and she gets bored. This is her first relationship, because, according to a friend of hers, “nobody else ever kept her interested or challenged her.” Now, don’t get me wrong, it’s fantastic, she’s quite a catch, and my natural personality is very much the composed, stable, strong male. She is additionally highly responsive to AMMO/TUTH and A314. I had never worn anything else around her until now. > > Anyway, I happened to have on two sprays CTTM 2, which was her first exposure ever to a nol phero. Results were … well … disastrous. > > Basically, she didn’t take me seriously at all. I couldn’t help but feel that I was acting very unfocused and overly energetic around her. After about an hour of this, she got tired of me and I left. > > Crap. > > Well, needless to say, I won’t be doing that again. I felt like I lost my composure as a result of the self-effects, and lost her respect (temporarily) because of the nol and because of my erratic behavior. > > Product name, scent and strength: CTTM 2, neroli, 1x strength. > > Application dosage and locations: 2 sprays to chest/throat > > Enviroment tested in: House, car. > > Self effects: Erratic, bouncy behavior. > > Effects to others: Loss of respect. > > Duration of effects: ~ 1 hour. > > Effects from mixing with other products: n/a > > Range: Very, very close. > > Time exposure: ~ 1 hour. I can definitely vouch for what you’re talking about. If I wear too many socials without some sort of anchoring -none/-rone I can act like such an energetic freak that any/all girls lose interest. Its like trying to enjoy a painting during an earthquake. ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/6 "2009-07-28T23:32:56Z")
Arrrgggh - I can certainly relate to this. My worst phero mistake ever was along similar lines. We had a temp start working Fridays in my office. English backpacker. She was of mixed descent, about 22yo, MAGNIFICENT body. She looked like a whiter version of Beyonce. I had to stop by her desk to help with her computer her first day. Phero wise all I had on was a cologne and NPA mix (yes i wear 'None to work). Instant DIHL, hair twirling, shy little smiles and giggles, blushing - never had a hit that fast before or after. A few of us were going for a drink after work - i invite her along and she agrees enthusiastically. The evening goes well - she’s glued to my side for two hours before her housemate calls her home urgently. I don’t get the chance to number close, but I’m not worried about it - i’ll see her at work the next week anyway, and I know it’s a foregone conclusion the way she responds to me. Fast forward a week. She comes straight to my desk in the morning and asks ME to the pub after work that night 🙂 Ahh life is good. And then I have the brain snap of all time. Despite the fact that all my [pheromone](https://a314.com/) success has come from 'None based mixes and despite the fact that this girl nearly slid off her chair when I wore NPA, I decide to wear nothing but Androstenol to the pub, figuring it would make her chattier and gigglier and she’d think I was fun. I reckon it took all of 10 seconds sitting next to her that night before she got this bewildered and, oh God, DISAPPOINTED look all over face. Within 5 minutes, no matter how well I gamed her she was looking for the door. The following Friday, a different temp replaced her - she’d continued her travels… Now, what’s that old, old saying? If it ain’t broke - Don’t fix it!!! ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/7 "2009-07-28T23:37:59Z")
> [@BLADE](#): > > If it ain’t broke - Don’t fix it!!! That’s what PANIC will do to’ya! EVERY SINGLE TIME! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/8 "2009-07-28T23:48:31Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > That’s what PANIC will do to’ya! EVERY SINGLE TIME! 😃 I wish it had been panic… unfortunately it was just pure stupidity :o ---
**Author:** ![Des\_1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/des_1/32/695_2.png) [@Des\_1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Des_1)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/9 "2010-05-20T00:34:05Z")
…wow, well this is confusing ---
**Author:** ![Des\_1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/des_1/32/695_2.png) [@Des\_1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Des_1)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/10 "2010-05-20T00:35:52Z")
I very strongly disagree 🙂 but I guess everyone is different ---
**Author:** ![21st-evo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/b77776/32.png) [@21st-evo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/21st-evo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/11 "2010-05-20T01:33:18Z")
What if you mix CTTM2 with A314 or [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)? Different extreme poles of attraction, but you have them both in your body, will it work or cause confusion or yet another catastrophe? It seems like you only had CTTM on for that experiment and it is a test on a girl. Perhaps you want to give it another try with a mix of Ammo? And try with other girls too, see how the respond. ---
**Author:** ![Buddhiman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@Buddhiman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Buddhiman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/12 "2012-01-23T19:27:47Z")
I have used CTTM with some pretty amazing results. I try to mix the more alpha male stuff with the talkative stuff with excellent results. Remember that different mixes will affect different people and also that your own body mones will differ as well. For me though, CTTM and TUTH with a dash of A314 is just a killer combo… I’ve had women practically tearing their clothes off in front of me and the entire club. It’s a double edged sword though… I’ve been attacked by some women I was not attracted to in anyway it almost ruined my game with another that I was going for. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/13 "2012-01-23T19:33:48Z")
> [@Buddhiman](#): > > I have used CTTM with some pretty amazing results. I try to mix the more alpha male stuff with the talkative stuff with excellent results. > > Remember that different mixes will affect different people and also that your own body mones will differ as well. > > For me though, CTTM and TUTH with a dash of A314 is just a killer combo… I’ve had women practically tearing their clothes off in front of me and the entire club. It’s a double edged sword though… I’ve been attacked by some women I was not attracted to in anyway it almost ruined my game with another that I was going for. I can totally see that combo working. Reps! Holy crap, which kind of women were you attacked by? Crazy! In lieu of CTTM, have you tried equal squirts of IO/IH? OH and have you tried either [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) or P74? Those pair REALLY well with the spark of TUTH. I can see it working for you… ---
**Author:** ![Buddhiman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@Buddhiman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Buddhiman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/14 "2012-01-23T21:43:22Z")
I won’t get into detail, but one was this cute girl, a bit thick but had nice curves and a amazingly cute face. She was really sweet though and a great kisser… not that I had much of a choice in the matter. Same thing happened another time with another girl, she was thiner but not anywhere near as cute as the other one. Mostly I found that a lot of girls were down to talk and had some great convos on this, lots of peaking and glances from the ladies. Approaching was easy and open. Some guys we all on the defensive when I was talking to females in their group though. Perhaps another drop of A314 would do the trick. Not sure. Might OD the mix too… or maybe I already had OD’d. But it has been a pretty fun mix for me so far! ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/15 "2012-01-23T21:59:15Z")
Niiiiice! 😉 Do you remember the ratios and mcgs of TUTH you used? Any particular age range as for attraction? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Buddhiman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@Buddhiman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Buddhiman)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/16 "2012-01-24T14:46:57Z")
2 sprays of CTTM2 on the wrists, 2 sprays of TUTH to the wrists (or inner elbow) x1 1 spray of TUTH to the back of the neck x1 1 drop of A314 to the front of the neck just below the adam’s apple I’ve also done 2 sprays of CTTM2 on the wrists 2 sprays of CTTM2 on the inner elbow 2 sprays of TUTH to the wrists (or inner elbow) x1 1 spray of TUTH to the front of the neck just below the adam’s apple and 2 sprays of CTTM2 on the wrists, 1 spray of CTTM2 to the back of the neck x1 2 sprays of TUTH to the wrists (or inner elbow) x1 1 drop of A314 to the front of the neck just below the adam’s apple All three had similar results, but the second option seemed to get more reaction once they came in close. Also options 1 and 3 tended to get more of the “girl next door” type, versus the straight up party girl with option 2. So anyway, I was reading on here that CTTM2 is just 50-50 IO and IH… So I decided to do a little expirement at work… I put 1 spray of IO on each of my wrists and 1 spray of IH on each of the inner elbows. Instead of TUTH (cuz I’m at work and not trying to get fired today lol) I put on 2 drops of A314… I’m interested to see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![okyoureabeast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/okyoureabeast/32/1395_2.png) [@okyoureabeast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/okyoureabeast)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/17 "2012-01-24T15:50:08Z")
I’ve found that changing a pheromone signature with a girlfriend is very bad. It tends to throw her into a loop of confusion, at least mine has been acting weird as of late. Oh and don’t ever use copulins when you’re in a LTR… ---
**Author:** ![Buddhiman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@Buddhiman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Buddhiman)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/18 "2012-01-24T16:26:56Z")
lol I definitely agree with not changing the soup mix with a girlfriend. That can get pretty crazy… if you do, then think minor tweeks, not changes. Also, by “copulins”, are you referring to pheromones in general or just specific ones… That being said, take caution using mones with LTRs… that can backfire so badly… and frankly if androtics goes out of business… my life will change forever lol and my relationship will probably crash. Either way, I’ve probably already opened pandora’s box with that one. Luckily she knows that I use them and what they do…lol sometimes she’ll even take a sprits of IO before going out. kinda wierd really… ---
**Author:** ![okyoureabeast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/okyoureabeast/32/1395_2.png) [@okyoureabeast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/okyoureabeast)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/19 "2012-01-24T20:33:14Z")
> [@Buddhiman](#): > > lol > I definitely agree with not changing the soup mix with a girlfriend. That can get pretty crazy… if you do, then think minor tweeks, not changes. > > Also, by “copulins”, are you referring to pheromones in general or just specific ones… > > That being said, take caution using mones with LTRs… that can backfire so badly… and frankly if androtics goes out of business… my life will change forever lol and my relationship will probably crash. Either way, I’ve probably already opened pandora’s box with that one. Luckily she knows that I use them and what they do…lol sometimes she’ll even take a sprits of IO before going out. kinda wierd really… In general, I watched my girlfriend break down after wearing small amounts under my nose for that weird boost feeling I get. Response was, “I just keep picturing you with another woman. I just don’t get it.” Followed by a, “I think we need some time apart.” Makes for awesome hits from random women, but Great… Things were going pretty great when I was using a314 by itself. I’m probably going to go back to using that with some IH and IS. ---
**Author:** ![Buddhiman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@Buddhiman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Buddhiman)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2012, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234/20 "2012-01-24T21:15:05Z")
so what exactly did you put under your nose? The A314? That is pretty wierd though… I can’t imagine a girl just breaking down like that… I guess moral of this story is… If you start serious using, don’t stop using and if you start serious not-using, don’t use. But really, using mones during any serious relationship is tough. I just say be upfront about it if you are going to do it daily. I just was semi-honest… she asked me what the bottles on my counter were… I told her a friend introduced me to this new kinda perfume - pheramone product and asked me to try it out. I did and I like it so I just kept using it. If she starts asking about what each one does… I do. For example, this is what I told my current LTG: IS - It just creates a happy youthful vibe for everyone around me IO - Help people open up and be more talkative IH - Helps people open up and be more honest and open about their feelings (she loved that one) TUTH - Helps create energy and a romantic vibe between us (also well taken) Ammo - I don’t use it that often so I’m not sure but supposed to help people like you A314 - It’s supposed to help you look more respectful to people… and I find when I wear it people are much more helpful Then there are a bunch of the other “test” pheromones to which I just do the same thing… give a general explanation of what they are supposed to do but make sure that it sounds more scientific than “I’m using these to get laid or get a better position in society type deal”… because if you are serous about the girl then you need to be honest and… Most Important! If you are wearing mones, be mindful of her reaction and look for mixes she doesn’t like… i.e. My girl absolutely hates IS… So, I have stopped buying it. She loves A314… so I wear it daily and double up on dates… she hate ammo unless its with TUTH and nothing else (though I can get away with A314 on with this combo)… I never where IH around her during her period (its just way to much) so I switch to something more calming… you’ll have to expiriment with that one on your own… I still haven’t figured out that mix quite yet. etc… When she starts to worry about things like that… you gotta crush those feelings quick or just suck it up and move on. Sometime girls just aren’t confident enough for these things. I am sorry to hear about your loss though. Can’t win’em all. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-2-and-the-girlfriend-catastrophe-copyright-pending/28234.md?page=2)