# CTTM and IFM **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 12, 2006, 8:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415 "2006-06-12T20:48:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2006, 8:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/1 "2006-06-12T20:48:26Z")
so I got back from Denver. and all was good. I made a thread asking for suggestions. and this was the mix some users recommended. perfect mix!!! I got off the plane and my ex was there to pick me up. she gave me a buddy buddy hug. tried to kiss her in the car, and she flinched. bleh! šŸ˜® got to the hotel, tried again. same response. so at this point im confused. so I hit the shower , get out, spray 3 CTTM, 2 IFM, and 1 Itā€™s Him v2. I sit right next to her and ask what she was watching. next thing I know. she catches the cloud and grabs my hand. At this point, I wasnt about to get declined again, so I didnt react. pffff well guess I didnt have to cause she pounced like a Lion. LOL In the morning, she was calm and coolā€“Hit the shower again, used the same formula, and pow, she was responsive and very emotional this time. We went out to watch The Omen, and I was getting hits šŸ˜® couple of girls were behind us, we slowed down to let them pass, but they wouldnt. this whole time my ex wouldnt let go of my hand. even when I was smoking. weird. hahahaā€“another girl was behind us, and we were about to cross the street, the girl followed, but then we decided to turn around and continue on the sidewalk we were on. As I look back, the girl that was going to cross the street with us, paused, then turned around looked straight into my eyes, smiled, then continued on the other way. My ex is usually nervous/shy around me at firstā€“Not sure if the mones had a play in it, but I must say the shower wasnt very long (20min) and she did a quick 180 in less than 30min. You guys were right-- mones are very sensitive to asians. She picked up on the smell very quickly. She asked me what I had on. I used my usual line ā€œSome body spray I got from Brazilā€ She really liked the smell of CTTM and TUTH (which is the main formula of Itā€™s Him) she even kissed the front of my neck a couple of timesā€¦ So yea, Denver was fun. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 7:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/2 "2006-06-13T07:44:13Z")
So letā€™s seeā€¦ CTTMā€¦ TUTHā€¦ Copulinsā€¦ and what else is in Itā€™s Him? I swear, if you keep teasing me with these stories and donā€™t tell me how to make that s\*!t, Iā€™m gonna hunt you down one of these days! lol Lemme guess. Thereā€™s also [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), right? And what else? ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 2:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/3 "2006-06-13T14:31:14Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > So letā€™s seeā€¦ CTTMā€¦ TUTHā€¦ Copulinsā€¦ and what else is in Itā€™s Him? I swear, if you keep teasing me with these stories and donā€™t tell me how to make that s\*!t, Iā€™m gonna hunt you down one of these days! lol > > Lemme guess. Thereā€™s also Instant Shine, right? And what else? HA! version 2 consist of none, copulins and TAL/TAH. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2006, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/4 "2006-06-13T14:57:33Z")
> [@](#): > > So yea, Denver was fun. > > `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/../images/smilies/biggrin.gif` High five, dude! Poor catlordā€¦ If you keep Itā€™s Him away from him any longer Iā€™m sure heā€™s going to be at your door with a sawed off shotgun and a demanding red eyed look on his face. šŸ˜®šŸ˜®šŸ˜® ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/5 "2006-06-14T02:22:10Z")
Naw. Iā€™ll just come up with Liquid Lust. Like I did today! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![b737pilot88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@b737pilot88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/b737pilot88)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2006, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/6 "2006-06-26T21:55:29Z")
umm there r 2 versions of cttm right? How come there is version 2 only in the store but not with the version 1? Which is best and is the 2nd one the best for right now? ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2006, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/7 "2006-06-26T22:03:23Z")
> [@b737pilot88](#): > > umm there r 2 versions of cttm right? How come there is version 2 only in the store but not with the version 1? Which is best and is the 2nd one the best for right now? There was the original ā€œ[Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/)ā€ that introduced beta-nol to the market, then 7 more mixes total came after it was pulled from the market. Thus, thereā€™s CTTM 1 through 8. We only have the most popular up now (CTTM Mix 2), but, truth be told, none really make people come talk to you (unless youā€™re a female). Great for communication, yes, but the name implies initiation, and that irks me. Itā€™s important to me that the name of the product substantially reflects the produced effects. Consider it a relic. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2006, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/8 "2006-06-27T01:16:54Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > There was the original ā€œCome Talk To Meā€ that introduced beta-nol to the market, then 7 more mixes total came after it was pulled from the market. Thus, thereā€™s CTTM 1 through 8. > > We only have the most popular up now (CTTM Mix 2), but, truth be told, none really make people come talk to you (unless youā€™re a female). > > Great for communication, yes, but the name implies initiation, and that irks me. Itā€™s important to me that the name of the product substantially reflects the produced effects. > > **Consider it a relic.** The name, or the product? I think youā€™re gonna have a lot of people upset if you take the product away. šŸ™‚ Goot schtuff, ya? ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2006, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/9 "2006-06-27T22:39:18Z")
Okay: a product renaming contest!!! Go go go go!!! How about: Gabfest Motormouth Mix Hey, Keep it down! Shut the f up! ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/10 "2006-06-28T04:20:30Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Okay: a product renaming contest!!! > > Go go go go!!! > > How about: > > Gabfest > Motormouth Mix > Hey, Keep it down! > Shut the f up! Or from what Iā€™ve seen (on occasion): ā€œTell Me Things Iā€™d Rather Not Knowā€ ā€œTalk My Ear Off Until It Bleeds and/or Turns Green and/or Blueā€ ā€œYounger Women and Teen Girls, Give Me Eerily Abundant Amounts of Obvious Attentionā€¦ Until Your folks or Friends Notice, so They Can Start Eyeing Me with Suspicion Remiscent of Old, Communist Russiaā€ ā€œPlease, Goddamnit, I Gotta Go Juiceā€ šŸ˜‰ Mind you, it has itā€™s upsides, too. (Iā€™m sure some of you WILL view some of the above as an upside! Bless your souls) ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/11 "2006-06-28T05:17:16Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Or from what Iā€™ve seen (on occasion): > > ā€œTell Me Things Iā€™d Rather Not Knowā€ > > ā€œTalk My Ear Off Until It Bleeds and/or Turns Green and/or Blueā€ > > ā€œYounger Women and Teen Girls, Give Me Eerily Abundant Amounts of Obvious Attentionā€¦ Until Your folks or Friends Notice, so They Can Start Eyeing Me with Suspicion Remiscent of Old, Communist Russiaā€ > > ā€œPlease, Goddamnit, I Gotta Go Juiceā€ > > šŸ˜‰ > > Mind you, it has itā€™s upsides, too. (Iā€™m sure some of you WILL view some of the above as an upside! Bless your souls) Iā€™m young and energetic. -I like rumors -Talk my ear off, that means rapport, plus youā€™ll say all the negs while I sit back and DHV. LOL -Iā€™m not around teens, but 18-24 (college)ā€¦ is in my bracket. =P No need to bless my soul. I was born enlightened. =P ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/12 "2006-06-28T07:05:50Z")
I think you should call itā€¦ Instant Gemini. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/13 "2006-06-28T18:44:20Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > There was the original ā€œCome Talk To Meā€ that introduced beta-nol to the market, then 7 more mixes total came after it was pulled from the market. Thus, thereā€™s CTTM 1 through 8. > > We only have the most popular up now (CTTM Mix 2), but, truth be told, none really make people come talk to you (unless youā€™re a female). > > Great for communication, yes, but the name implies initiation, and that irks me. Itā€™s important to me that the name of the product substantially reflects the produced effects. > > Consider it a relic. CTTM is 100% bnol and CTTM2 is 50/50 anol/bnol, right? Interesting. When I was first testing CTTM it was way too serious. I couldnā€™t believe the things total strangers told me. šŸ˜® Actually it was the confession of a gal pal (via CTTM) that clued me into the effects of A314 which I had been testing for a period just prior. Anyway, I began varying the ratios of anol and bnol in my mix and hit the sweet spot at about 50/50ā€¦+ or - a fraction of a mcg or so. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/14 "2006-06-29T01:19:54Z")
> [@Scottie2Hottie](#): > > CTTM is 100% bnol and CTTM2 is 50/50 anol/bnol, right? Interesting. When I was first testing CTTM it was way too serious. I couldnā€™t believe the things total strangers told me. šŸ˜® Actually it was the confession of a gal pal (via CTTM) that clued me into the effects of A314 which I had been testing for a period just prior. Anyway, I began varying the ratios of anol and bnol in my mix and hit the sweet spot at about 50/50ā€¦+ or - a fraction of a mcg or so. What did she tell you about the effects of A314? ---
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2006, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/15 "2006-06-29T01:47:58Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > What did she tell you about the effects of A314? She said that she had been attracted to me for awhile, but lately she felt I was ā€œout of her leagueā€ and ā€œwould never have a chance w/ meā€. Oddly enough, the only negative reaction I got while testing A314 was from her on a night that I attempted to OD w/ 10 drops. She apologized later and said that it was the same night that she realized that she ā€œwould never have a chance w/ meā€. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2006, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/16 "2006-06-29T04:25:50Z")
> [@Scottie2Hottie](#): > > She said that she had been attracted to me for awhile, but lately she felt I was ā€œout of her leagueā€ and ā€œwould never have a chance w/ meā€. Oddly enough, the only negative reaction I got while testing A314 was from her on a night that I attempted to OD w/ 10 drops. She apologized later and said that it was the same night that she realized that she ā€œwould never have a chance w/ meā€. Do you think she was attracted because of the A314 testing and then the OD made her think that? How much had you been wearing before? ---
**Author:** ![b737pilot88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@b737pilot88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/b737pilot88)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2006, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/17 "2006-06-29T05:40:09Z")
OUCH! what a bummer.ā˜¹ I would be saddened by that situation. a314 is pretty serious stuff when wearing too much for dating. ---
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2006, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/18 "2006-06-29T12:24:40Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Do you think she was attracted because of the A314 testing and then the OD made her think that? How much had you been wearing before? She had been around me w/ my (at that time) club mix of NPA/AE/SOE. I think the A314 testing sorta amplified that sense of attraction and added the element of ā€œhigher valueā€. I think the OD was probably overwhelming and this was her perception, to which she reacted by lashing out at me. I normally wore 2-4 drops around her, she just happened to be out the night that I tried the OD experiment. To complicate things, she was dating a good buddy of mine at the time. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/19 "2006-06-30T18:12:34Z")
Did the 10 drops kill your chances? ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2006, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415/20 "2006-06-30T18:19:23Z")
Thatā€™s the point where you just need to embarce her firmly, 1930s movie style, and plant a firm kiss on her. DHVing just means you have to amplify your position as a man. Not a popular choice these days, granted, given the rise of ā€œmetrosexualsā€ and whatnot. Still, it works. Women respond well biologically to you being a man. Sameness may keep a long term relationship together, but remember that it is our sexual differences that initially attract, after all. Her telling you that youā€™re out of her league is a heck of an IOI. She can feel like that all she wants, but no woman saying that would refuse your advances. It only kills your chances of her making a move, which is fine ā€“ sheā€™s not supposed to. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-and-ifm/415.md?page=2)