# CTTM or CTTM2? **URL:** \ **Category:** Store Announcements & Feedback\ **Created:** [March 19, 2009, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-or-cttm2/27221 "2009-03-19T12:04:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-or-cttm2/27221/1 "2009-03-19T12:04:39Z")
I just recieved my order and with it I recieved a togo bottle of CTTM on the lable. Thank you!!! You know I love my CTTM 😃 My large bottle of CTTM2 does say CTTM Mix 2 on it though…so is the togo the “old” version of CTTM with the straight 50:50 ratio of alpha:beta nols, or is it CTTM2 with no mix 2 on the label? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-or-cttm2/27221/2 "2009-03-19T19:08:05Z")
All CTTM is mix 2. We just made those to go bottles at the bequest of people just like you 🙂. When we do things in Lab like labels its hard to always get it just right. Its a very good question ---
**Author:** ![FastJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7c8e57/32.png) [@FastJ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FastJ)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-or-cttm2/27221/3 "2009-04-08T02:09:40Z")
I have a question about CTTM2. I’ve been reading up on it, as I was thinking of getting honesty and openess. Seems to be a 50/50 of those two. Great. But it has been called “rough” by a few people. What does that mean? ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-or-cttm2/27221/4 "2009-04-09T15:24:03Z")
I have not tested yet, but what I read is that it is “rough” in that it causes a local effect, people around you get chatty, as opposed to chatting you up. I can see this as a positive, as it would make opening sets easier, and make people want to talk to A314+TUTH+Shine Guy. I am waiting on my bottle of CTTM2 now… I am so giddy… ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-or-cttm2/27221/5 "2009-04-09T16:50:53Z")
> [@FastJ](#): > > I have a question about CTTM2. I’ve been reading up on it, as I was thinking of getting honesty and openess. Seems to be a 50/50 of those two. Great. But it has been called “rough” by a few people. What does that mean? It’s an older mix of Alpha and Beta Androstenol which are key components to IO and IH (respectively). Not quite 50/50 more like 45/45/10 with the 10 being steering [pheromones](https://a314.com/). I think what some of the fabulous forum members mean by “rough” is its not as smooth as the individual products such as IH and IO. Each one of those is a perfect blend of the Nols with steering mones to achieve the desired result. If you want more conversation (say like in a bar) you would use much more IO with a little IH to keep it light and fun, but not blabber. Deep rapport, but still open and responsive you use lots of IH with a little IO. With CTTM2 it is already mixed so you cannot do that. You get what you get. Thats why many users (most in fact) prefer IH and IO to CTTM2. Please keep in mind though that CTTM2 is a good mix if you are looking for an equal mix of the two 🙂, with steering mones of course 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FastJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7c8e57/32.png) [@FastJ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FastJ)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm-or-cttm2/27221/6 "2009-04-09T20:33:43Z")
That answers my question. Thank you. Took a gamble and ordered it already, LOL.