# CTTM2 effects all by itself ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 18, 2006, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583 "2006-08-18T12:55:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/1 "2006-08-18T12:55:39Z")
Anyone spent much time testing CTTM2 all by itself, and managed to lock in dose / effect ?. I can pretty much tailor anol, bnol all alone or mixed together in different ratios, and in other mixes etc .. to emulate the intended response from CTTM2. When I use CTTM2, I get something different that I can not lock. Doses I used were small dap, 1 spray, 2, up to 4 and 5. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 3:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/2 "2006-08-18T15:17:15Z")
> [@Mak](#): > > **When I use CTTM2, I get something different that I can not lock.** > > Doses I used were small dap, 1 spray, 2, up to 4 and 5. Meaning? I think I cut and past the difference in the MHARRIS FILES, Mak. There’s something added in the CTTM2, IF, I remember correctly. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/3 "2006-08-18T16:33:19Z")
In other words; Anol + bnol + none got a workmate telling of her ex hubby flings and her monthly times, infront of an approving 2 other females. CTTM2 + none caused silent looks, looks of comfort even but silent. Are the additions to CTTM2 made up of other phero’s, and if so, are they leaning on attraction, or comfort ? BTW: Since when I needed to know a workmate monthly date ? ---
**Author:** ![Scottie2Hottie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scottie2hottie/32/628_2.png) [@Scottie2Hottie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Scottie2Hottie)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/4 "2006-08-18T21:47:12Z")
I’m pretty sure that CTTM2 is 50% anol and 50% bnol…nothing else, iirc. I haven’t used CTTM2, myself, so I can’t help you w/ dosages…there’s no info @ SmartMones re: dosage per spray or anything either. Hopefully, those who have used it can give you some idea. I will say that, back in the days when Androtics only had A314 and Bnol (CTTM1), my best mix used the same ratio as CTTM2…took me over a year of testing to get it right. Whether that’s the best ratio for others, I can’t say. I got a nice balance between the chattiness of anol and the TMI effect of bnol…and overall, more approaches from women. I’m one of those who suffer from CEE and approachability/comfort has always been an issue for me…mones or no mones. For me, the best dosage would be the equivalent of 40-60 mu…i.e., 20-30 mu anol and 20-30 mu bnol…sorry but I don’t have any idea how many sprays of CTTM2 would give you the same (or similar) dosage. What kind of effects were you expecting, btw? > [@Mak](#): > > Anol + bnol + none got a workmate telling of her ex hubby flings and her monthly times, infront of an approving 2 other females. That sounds a lot like bnol to me. > [@Mak](#): > > CTTM2 + none caused silent looks, looks of comfort even but silent. What dosages are you using? How long was the silence you experienced? High doses of anol can stun ppl. Folks could prolly help you out more, given more info. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/5 "2006-08-18T23:45:13Z")
CTTM M2 is 20mcg total. When it’s premixed, the ANOL and BNOL isn’t exactly 50/50, but it’s close enough, so let’s just call it that. You get about 10mcg of each nol per spray. There’s nothing else in this, except for the Neroli additive package. It’s Spaceland that also uses relaxing plant [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) (unless you request that we take the essential oils out) in addition to the nol. I think the problem is something like Scottie is describing. i.e., that when you made a mix before with alpha nol, beta nol, and androstenone, that you were seeing mostly a bnol or bnol/none effect, and the alpha-nol, in particular, may have been weak, or a dud. We don’t mess around here. We use expensive, American made pheromones, and accurately dose our products. Our alpha nol can definitely put people into stun and/or stupor mode. Not all that long ago, we brokered a large batch of alpha-nol from China for a perfume company that insisted on low, commodity prices. They absolutely wouldn’t buy American made, since the cost was far too high compared to commodity dealers. The bottom line to them was money, and nothing else. If we wouldn’t broker the deal for them in the price parameters specified, we’d simply lose the deal. They didn’t care to pay the extra costs to have it tested and certified, but we ordered a small, additional amount that we ended up having tested against standards. Unfortunately for them, it wasn’t exactly what you’d call high grade. In fact, even the mW was out of range compared against the standard. In use, it just didn’t “work right” at all. It came from a “better” Chinese lab that synthesizes many of the androgens bodybuilders use. I’m not going to say everything from these labs are junk, but I will say with confidence that most of the compounds they make specifically for pheromoning are (i.e., androstenol) The sad fact is that most of these sources simply make up their COAs with numbers that look good. In fact, you tend to see the same or almost the same numbers on all of their COAs, which is always a sign of intellectual laziness and/or outright fraud. (in reality, nothing is ever _that_ uniform) When you then send the samples off to a great lab or network like Intertek Caleb Brett, you see the reality that they’re not selling what they say they are. As to the ones that aren’t junk… It appears that when the androgen that shows pheromonal activity has a primary use as an anabolic or other active agent that people use to for anabolic purposes or what have you, quality is much higher. For example, let’s say we were using testosterone as a pheromone. Since there are many, verifiable uses of testosterone, both taken orally and intravenously, Chinese and Indian labs will be more careful with their synthesis. The problem is that most pheromones are at the _end_ of the metabolic chain… most pheromones are simply “waste products” products of hormones and steroids… that’s why you sweat them out, and pee them out. (and that’s why these compounds live a “second life” as pheromones – they’re “positioned” perfectly for the task) So, i.e., most pheromones have no use as a hormone or steroid you’d swallow or inject. Thus, it’s unlikely that good quality pheromones, that don’t serve a primary use as an anabolic, will ever come from China or India. Yet that’s where almost all manufacturers buy their actives, if not their entire product. I don’t, because I use my own products and _need_ them to work as best as they possibly can. Few other companies make good quality pheromones, so someone’s gotta. Cost is a secondary concern with me, like it was in the good old days. When it comes to selling my creations to others, I’d rather make less money now, and more long-term. You can only do this on a quality angle. (i.e., from serving people the best I can possibly can, so they rebuy) The opposite is something like Lil’ Orbits donuts: [http://www.lilorbits.com/](http://www.lilorbits.com/) The “Doughnuts into dollars!” type approach literally makes me sick (and that’s the kind of business most pheromone manufacturers are in, believe it or not - the so-called “BIZ OPP”!) Unless you’re crazy about good quality donuts (or whatever product it is, not just donuts 🙂), I honestly believe you shouldn’t sell them. _Everyone_ has a passion or hobby they can make money with. Everyone! There’s no need to ever do something _just_ for money. That’s myopia in a nutshell. Stupid, short sighted thinking where quality isn’t the #1 concern is the way to run a _scam_, not a _business_, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/6 "2006-08-19T03:48:21Z")
CTTM2 = intense friendly response 😃😃😃 Mharris, you sell a damn good product! CTTM2 = 5/5, 100% ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 8:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/7 "2006-08-19T08:19:00Z")
Thanks Scottie .. MHarris post probably explained it. > [@MHarris](#): > > CTTM M2 is 20mcg total. When it’s premixed, the ANOL and BNOL isn’t exactly 50/50, but it’s close enough, so let’s just call it that. You get about 10mcg of each nol per spray. 20 mcg, that is why then .. I used too much. What I needed to know, thanks Michael. I usually totalled 5 to 10 mcg using A&B nol together, and of course nothing can be exactly measured 50/50 anyway, so, close to that. I’ll keep on experimenting with CTTM2, smaller doses this time. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 11:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/8 "2006-08-22T11:51:30Z")
I really like CTTM2, but I need to test IH and IO separately now. CTTM2 has several really nice effects though… I love how it can turn me into Mister Life of the Party. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/9 "2006-08-22T15:25:17Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > CTTM2 has several really nice effects though… I love how it can turn me into Mister Life of the Party. At how many sprays, CLordy? ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/10 "2006-08-22T15:31:11Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I really like CTTM2, but I need to test IH and IO separately now. CTTM2 has several really nice effects though… I love how it can turn me into Mister Life of the Party. Good that many have distinguishable results, as I’ve expected. I’ll do my experimentation which is usually slow to cater for changes related to myself, situations and people conditions. It is fun, tho, keeps the mind and senses active towards others. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2006, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-effects-all-by-itself/583/11 "2006-08-23T01:47:45Z")
> [@M&M8257](#): > > At how many sprays, CLordy? It depends on the circumstances, of course. If I am familiar with and comfortable with the people around me, 4-5 sprays. If not, 6, 7 or even 8 sprays. Usually I keep it to 6 and under to avoid getting too spacey.