# CTTM2 + TUTH v1.1 + Pherlure **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 18, 2006, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587 "2006-08-18T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/1 "2006-08-18T23:44:09Z")
I must say that this mix was insanely good. 5 girls and 2 guys were cheering at me; I was the center of the universe, they were dancing like crazy with me. The girls were incredibly horny, the guys were especially respectful. I got a whole lot of eye contact all night, I was fearless, danced very well. CTTM2 : 2 x chest 0,5 x left wrist 0,5 x right wrist (2,5mcgspray) TUTH v1,1: 2 x neck Pherlure : 1,2 x neck That night, my 18 year old friend wore 1xPherlure, 1xCTTM 1xTUTH v 1.0, he was able to get a stripper’s phone number, she called him the next morning and invited him to go to a hot air balloon festival and then clubbing in Montréal!!! He wore the Pherlure on his neck; she kept smelling his neck, and all other [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) on his chest. The next morning he came to my house and made me listen to the message that she had left on his cell phone. Hilarious, an 18 year old with a busty 24 year old stripper. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/2 "2006-08-19T01:03:15Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > I must say that this mix was insanely good. 5 girls and 2 guys were cheering at me; I was the center of the universe, they were dancing like crazy with me. The girls were incredibly horny, the guys were especially respectful. I got a whole lot of eye contact all night, I was fearless, danced very well. > > CTTM2 : 2 x chest 0,5 x left wrist 0,5 x right wrist > TUTHv1,1: 2 x neck > Pherlure : 1,2 x neck > > That night, my 18 year old friend wore 1xPherlure, 1xCTTM 1xTUTH v 1.0, he was able to get a stripper’s phone number, she called him the next morning and invited him to go to a hot air balloon festival and then clubbing in Montréal!!! He wore the Pherlure on his neck; she kept smelling his neck, and all other pheromones on his chest. The next morning he came to my house and made me listen to the message that she had left on his cell phone. Hilarious, an 18 year old with a busty 24 year old stripper. lol Sounds like you found a good mix for you. I sure wish I knew what was in Pherlure. I used to get that kind of responses just from Pherlure, but I naturally produce a lot of androstenone, so maybe Pherlure plus CTTM2 would be good for me… I wonder if I have any Pherlure left. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/3 "2006-08-19T03:58:11Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > lol Sounds like you found a good mix for you. I sure wish I knew what was in Pherlure. I used to get that kind of responses just from Pherlure, but I naturally produce a lot of androstenone, so maybe Pherlure plus CTTM2 would be good for me… I wonder if I have any Pherlure left. I have a theory about pheromones, some are Blue, some are Red. Pherlure is Blue, CTTM2 is Blue, TUTH is RED. People that are O blood type produce a lot of RED, so adding Blue won’t make you overdose. If you are blood type A, you are Blue, you dont want to add Blue CTTM to yourself, so add Red pheromones. Until now, my “theory” has never been wrong. I think the TUTH was bad for me because I am a Red, I dont need more Red. The CTTM2 is blue and the Pherlure is Blue, it was PERFECT for me! ---
**Author:** ![attractor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@attractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/attractor)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2006, 1:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/4 "2006-08-19T13:16:39Z")
Thomaslovie, Why do you say TUTH is bad for you? For your first post it sounds very good. I’m thinking of buying TUTH 1.1 (as it new pheromones in addition to none) and am interested in feedback. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/5 "2006-08-20T04:28:58Z")
LOL, I guess it was good, when i think about it, it was crazy good!!! 5 girls at once, my friend got a stripper!!! ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/6 "2006-08-20T17:54:32Z")
I forgot to say: The hottest girl, the one that would be PERFECT for me, so perfect to my eyes, a blend of every kind of girl/chick/women/slut/Aphrodite came and started to dance right beside me, I was enormously pleased!!! _drip_ _drip_ (drooling) ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/7 "2006-08-20T19:07:01Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > I have a theory about pheromones, some are Blue, some are Red. Pherlure is Blue, CTTM2 is Blue, TUTH is RED. People that are O blood type produce a lot of RED, so adding Blue won’t make you overdose. If you are blood type A, you are Blue, you dont want to add Blue CTTM to yourself, so add Red pheromones. Until now, my “theory” has never been wrong. > > I think the TUTH was bad for me because I am a Red, I dont need more Red. > > The CTTM2 is blue and the Pherlure is Blue, it was PERFECT for me! This reminds me of a discussion we had on LS a while back. These are the types of concepts I apply to my phero mixes even today. [http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14399&highlight=grey](http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14399&highlight=grey) blood type is another variable to be taken into consideration, though I do think other factors play a role as well. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/8 "2006-08-20T20:06:51Z")
OMG, i just remembered that at the club, there was this super hot 19 year old that walked up to me, stood beside me for 80 seconds, then stode on my other side for 40 seconds, then left and came back for another 20 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/9 "2006-08-20T20:08:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Right now I’m looking to not think about the variables (our own signatures) and the preference of a particular target, and rather create a general guide for mixers that we can tweek according to our instincts based on the afforementioned variables. > > To simplify, let’s say there are three categories of mones: > > Black, Blue and White > > Black – None, LaCroy secret ingredient, TAA? > Blue – Rone, beta rone?, A1 > White - A-nol, b-nol, dienol > > I know I’m leaving some out, but you get the point. So, generally speaking, what will make an attractive mix to women? Somethng that will draw older women but not scare off younger women. Perhaps it would have to be tweaked for black women, latino women (more none) and asian women (less none) just as faller and eisu pointed out, a man with lower none production would want to increase none. > > Now is what makes an attractive pheromone signature too subjective to do this? I think at normal levels, perhaps, because it’s about ratios, but at the levels we are using I’d guess that we’re pumping up the volume enough to touch on some buttons that are often present in females. Still, we need balance to make sure we’re not just sending one signal (ie the black mones) because, as shown in the face study, women desire a balance of masculine and feminine features. > > As a starting point to find the ratio between black, blue and white mones, I would think it’s things like that we have to look at. Or it’s just based on our own experience with pheromones. Since a product like Chikara is a lot of mones, I’d say we have to take it as a homeogeneous signal, ie it is a “blue nearing the white end of the spectrum product.” AE might be a blue product nearing the black end of the spectrum. Edge totally black, SOE completely white. > > It’d be nice to be able to one day say, “well, the average guy does best with a mix sending 30 percent black signals, 30 percent blue and 40 percent white.” Mobley has some good mix threads, perhaps they should be looked at. Cool, his theory is like mine. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 10:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/10 "2006-08-20T22:03:52Z")
I think the same concepts should and could be applied to the products used here on androtics, and we could rate each product on a sort of spectrum scale based on the nature of its effects. The spectrum would be a dominant/aggressive extreme on one side (what you would clasify as red), a comforting/inviting extreme at the other(what you would classify as blue), with perhaps a social/neutral in the middle (purple?). In between the two extremes, there would be a broad spectrum into which products would fall…some more on the aggressive side, some more on the comforting side. I don’t have much experience with the putatives and experimental mixes, so here’s my take on the “official” releases. Incidentally, the products that sit on the extremes of the spectrum, are rarely ever used as standalones. **(Dominant/Aggressive)** \*\*- \*\*Raw Power - Instant Jerk - Turn Up The Heat - A314 - Ammunition - [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) - Instant Shine (**Social/Neutral)** \*\*- \*\*PMX100 \*\*- \*\*Instant Openness - Space Land - CTTM - Instant Honesty - IFM **(Comfort/Inviting)** Since a lot of us here still incorporate LS products, here’s my take on it with the LS products in mind: **(Dominant/Aggressive)** \*\*- \*\*Raw Power -Primal Instinct - Instant Jerk - Turn Up The Heat -New Pheromone Additive - The Edge - A314 - Alter Ego - Ammunition - Instant Gentleman - Chikara - Perception - Instant Shine (**Social/Neutral)** \*\*- \*\*PMX100 - Scent of Eros \*\*- \*\*Instant Openness - Space Land - CTTM - Instant Honesty - IFM - WAGG **(Comfort/Inviting)** In building sexual mixes, its faulty to assume that the ideal sexual side sits more on one side or the other. The perception of what is more sexually stimulating is highly dependent on our inherent personality and physical characteristics (blood type as well), the personality and physical characteristics of our targets, the nature of our interaction with our targets (ie Date vs first approach), and the contextual environment in which the mones will be worn (ie club/social - sexual vs date/intimate). What’s sexually ideal in one situation, could be an absolute bust in another. The trick is to consciously aim for an ideal spot for a mix to land in the overall spectrum of effects, depending on the afformentioned variables. Think of what kind of effect (position in the spectrum) that would be most beneficial, depending on the circumstances of the interactions you’ll have throughout the day. Build a mix that complements your own characteristics in such a way that brings you closer to that ideal spot. My recent trials have led me to realize that overly complicated mixes can actually work against a person if they don’t know what they’re doing. When we incorporate too many products into a mix, we run the risk of creating an overly clouded phero signal that fails to create a strong centralized impression. For this reason, its much easier to find a sweet spot with our mixes if we use fewer products. That isn’t to say that overly complicated mixes don’t work, however there needs to be a centralized type of effect that a mix concentrates on. An arbitrarily selected group of products lacks focus, and successful mixes tend to benefit from a highly focused effect being projected at precisely the right time. A variety of other products can help complement a centralized effect, but they should not be incorporated to an extent that diminishes the ideal effect that we’re going for. ok I got kinda carried away with that lol ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/11 "2006-08-20T23:57:19Z")
cool post, very scientific in your approach. Michael Harris should have a scale from red to blue or neutral purple in the middle. He should change the bottles color according to its effect on people. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 11:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/12 "2006-08-22T11:47:58Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > In building sexual mixes, its faulty to assume that the ideal sexual side sits more on one side or the other. The perception of what is more sexually stimulating is highly dependent on our inherent personality and physical characteristics (blood type as well), the personality and physical characteristics of our targets, the nature of our interaction with our targets (ie Date vs first approach), and the contextual environment in which the mones will be worn (ie club/social - sexual vs date/intimate). What’s sexually ideal in one situation, could be an absolute bust in another. > > The trick is to consciously aim for an ideal spot for a mix to land in the overall spectrum of effects, depending on the afformentioned variables. Think of what kind of effect (position in the spectrum) that would be most beneficial, depending on the circumstances of the interactions you’ll have throughout the day. Build a mix that complements your own characteristics in such a way that brings you closer to that ideal spot. > > My recent trials have led me to realize that overly complicated mixes can actually work against a person if they don’t know what they’re doing. When we incorporate too many products into a mix, we run the risk of creating an overly clouded phero signal that fails to create a strong centralized impression. For this reason, its much easier to find a sweet spot with our mixes if we use fewer products. > > That isn’t to say that overly complicated mixes don’t work, however there needs to be a centralized type of effect that a mix concentrates on. An arbitrarily selected group of products lacks focus, and successful mixes tend to benefit from a highly focused effect being projected at precisely the right time. A variety of other products can help complement a centralized effect, but they should not be incorporated to an extent that diminishes the ideal effect that we’re going for. > > ok I got kinda carried away with that lol Bravo. That’s why I always say… know each one before you try to mix it. That way you know what “colors” you’re mixing, and you have a good idea what “color” you’ll end up with. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/13 "2006-08-22T15:51:27Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > CTTM2 : 2 x chest 0,5 x left wrist 0,5 x right wrist > (2,5mcgspray) TUTH v1,1: 2 x neck > Pherlure : 1,2 x neck So, Signor Thomas, that’s **2 sprays of CTTM2** to the chest, **a half of spray** to each wrist, **2 sprays of TUTH** to the neck, and **1 spray of Pherlure** to the neck, say? What differences have you noted between that application and your 2 sprays of CTTM2 to the neck and 1 spray of Pherlure to the thoat? :o Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/14 "2006-08-22T20:14:01Z")
Hmmm..just wondering..is TUTH more sexual or AMMUNITION? If both are at a 2.5mcg anone dosage.. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/15 "2006-08-25T22:31:38Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > So, Signor Thomas, that’s **2 sprays of CTTM2** to the chest, **a half of spray** to each wrist, **2 sprays of TUTH** to the neck, and **1 spray of Pherlure** to the neck, say? > > What differences have you noted between that application and your 2 sprays of CTTM2 to the neck and 1 spray of Pherlure to the thoat? :o > > Thanks! YES, that is it. When i say neck, i mean throat, the same for me 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/16 "2006-09-03T03:15:23Z")
> [@Homura83](#): > > Hmmm..just wondering..is Turn Up The Heat more sexual or AMMUNITION? > If both are at a 2.5mcg Androstenone dosage.. I think TUTH is supposed to be more sexual and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is supposed to be more friendly. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnieT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@JohnnieT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnieT)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/17 "2006-09-15T15:37:11Z")
Hi guys. I seldom post,because I’m a two finger typist. I’ve used CTTM(M2),for a couple of months;received many lighter hits;meaning the hits were not overtly sexual,using CTTM(M2) alone.I like this product,as it helps to break the ice;great with younger women.I’ve tried Pherlure(my first [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) 2 1/2 years ago).I don’t believe it works on me;neither pos. or neg..I was lurking on the LS forum for a year,when Catlord was bashed,for posting his views(on Pherlure).I lost respect,for the moderators on LS,that day.One mans trash…treasure.Our chemistrys’ all differ. CTTM(M2) has become one of my favorite products,along with IS,A314,and IO. ---
**Author:** ![nfs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nfs/32/1656_2.png) [@nfs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nfs)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 3:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/18 "2006-09-15T15:52:02Z")
here we go again Catlord 🙂 Heheheheheh.. PherlureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEE My starsign sez pherlure is bad for my karma. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/cttm2-tuth-v1-1-pherlure/587/19 "2006-09-15T20:42:53Z")
You’re nuts, NFS. 🙂