# Curiosity **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [May 2, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/curiosity/50150 "2011-05-02T22:28:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jeremye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jeremye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jeremye)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/curiosity/50150/1 "2011-05-02T22:28:00Z")
Hello, I am a 25 y/o male living in Florida who is intrigued by the notion of human [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). I am pretty well acquainted to most aspects of neuroscience and the phylogenetic origins of the nervous system. I have been under the notion until only recently that the Jacobson’s organ (VNO) in humans is just a tiny vestigial pimple in humans, but my recent experiences with your products attests otherwise. Performing cursory research on the subject in this modern age of enlightenment, I discovered that, while controversy still exists regarding its hodology, the vameronasal organ in fact has been shown to exhibit EEG potentials when exposed to certain hormones (e.g., androstenone) and that the typical claim stating that the system is simply “not wired” into the brain are not at all what I thought. Interestingly, the only complaint that still registers a need to investigate a role for the Jacobson’s organ in human is that it has developed a dissimilar and phylogenetically unparalleled series of connections in humans that seems to be erratic to wrinkly old comparative neurobiologists who have studied it. I am well acquainted to similar problems of evolution that have hindered scientists in the past, such as the drastically different arrangement of the Teleost telencephalon-diencephalic circuits (i.e., the modern fishes’ dorsal preglomerular nuclei), which have been recently been brought to rest by the notion of parcellation. In short, this is the idea that larger nuclei can be broken into diverse components over time without drastic changes to gross anatomy of the nervous system; it is very likely the case that the VNO in humans, which has been shown to produce a variety of efferents that synapse in the subcortical regions necessary for emotional processing, memory, and sexual regulation (i.e., the amygdala, hippocampus, and hypothalamus). To put this even more simply, it seems probable to me that the pheromone-detecting organ in humans has evolved more complex connections to the brain rather than becoming dormant. On the other hand, it seems likely that many of the pheromones that are best studied are also not processed via this system but instead through either the primary olfactory tract which also has diverse connectivity in humans. A recent study has demonstrated that the VNO is not involved in the perception of androstadienone, but a 2011 paper blithely notes that this hormone is not likely to be a hormone due to its prevalence in only subthreshold amounts in ecological conditions. This latter effect is not relevant in terms of your products and, while some bicker about the definition of psychoactive air-borne hormones, it is clear that you have manipulated many of these compounds with success. Of course I have also reviewed the study of effects of these hormones on self-reported measures, concentration, cognitive tasks, interpersonal ratings, affect, etc. This field, while just as active over the more technical debate regarding the route of perception, is incredibly convoluted and clearly having problems designing appropriate profiles for these chemicals. I will not rant on such a subject as I suspect those in charge of this company are well-informed of such studies and their limited value in trying to understanding the problem as a whole. I am very pleased to see that this enterprise exists, as it swerves very deeply into both capitalism and empiricism. A very interesting venture. The notion of making these chemicals available to the public is brilliant, though I must attest I am disheartened to see the actual compounds somewhat obfuscated and replaced by serial numbers. The competitive incentive is obvious and the reasons for this are thus understandable, but may I suggest perhaps the use of digital forms to create data from those who are already very willing to submit their experiences? To those with the key to the actual content of these compounds (particularly the ExperiMones), this could be expediently converted to valuable data which would directly benefit the R&D at this company as well as generate value on its own, potentially being worth a substantial sum to any competing company. Oh, automation and data mining… I certainly have not seen greater potential for these utilities than at this company to date. All that being said, I am generally very social, have no problems being interpreted as masculine, and derive a great deal of pleasure from interacting with people in a way as to approach emotional intimacy. I, as many people are, am also confronted daily with situations in which I must contest others and, less often, be challenged by the typical primeval power struggle. I also have loved sex for my entire adult life (and a little before) and am piqued by the idea of improved arousal with TAC. I do believe I am familiar with the premise of the commercial line products, but I am very interested in those pheromones with very ostensible effects and the ExperiMones. I have already tried IH, IG, and TUTH to discover that androstenone is quite clearly one of those hormones with such blatant effects and that IH is also an interesting, though slightly more subtle, product. As it stands now it is apparent that there is a very curious game that this website offers: buy a mystery product, write your opinions, and perhaps discover a whole new realm of previously unconscious communication! The prospects even from this perspective alone are thrilling, and the impressive growth this company is experiencing no doubt reflects that this attitude is reflected by many other consumer attitudes. I am as eager to contribute to this amalgamation of social excitement as I am to explore the actual effects of these products and I am pleased to be inaugurated thus. ---
**Author:** ![black\_ice\_pc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@black\_ice\_pc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/black_ice_pc)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/curiosity/50150/2 "2011-05-02T22:34:37Z")
Hey jeremye, I’m in FL too. Welcome! It’s clear that you have a scientific background and mindset towards pheros. And that’s one impressive intro lol. I like your analytical mindset to pheros and hopefully you’ll discover some interesting findings through your experimentation. I’m sure you could be a great contributor to the community. I also liked the “mystery” kind of aura of trying a new product, and seeing what happens. Hope you enjoy your time here at the forum Again, welcome to PheroTalk! ---
**Author:** ![black\_ice\_pc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@black\_ice\_pc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/black_ice_pc)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/curiosity/50150/3 "2011-05-02T22:42:06Z")
If you haven’t yet, I’d recommend checking out some users’ experience journals [here](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-journals/), the [Pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) Theory (right up your alley) subforum [here](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/), and the pheromone Studies and Abstracts subforum [here](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/studies-abstracts/). Have fun 😃 ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/curiosity/50150/4 "2011-05-03T14:55:25Z")
Hello and a welcome, jeremye to the mone forum! That was some detailed post. I’ve read many intro’s in my time here, this is worthy of a WOOOHOOOO!!! 😃 Black ice pc mentioned the Pheromone Theory and Studies and Abstracts discussion, I’m sure you’ve delved into the threads posted there with satisfaction. I’ve used mones for many months now, and cannot deny both the positive and negative effects of these. As you mention some mones that you’ve tried, such as TUTH and IH and IG, you seem to have a grasp of the potential of the commercial line. The excitement of the P molecules and MX’s that you feel… I’m right there with you! One thing about the forum is that since its been around for many years, it has become a large repository and it can be a bit difficult to find the information you seek. I’m going to post up some useful threads that you may or may not have already discovered. Besides the links in my signature below, here are some gems of information that I’d like to share: > [@Your Skin is a Pheromone Mixing Canvas](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-skin-is-a-pheromone-mixing-canvas/34388): > > July 24th, 2009, 02:01 PM In the late 90s, with Erox advertising heavily on the radio, I first tried these products. I had always written off pheromones as much as I would astrology (bad astrology from carnies, anyway), but I figured if they were spending so much to advertise such a product, it might be worth a shot. And hey, it’s even available in normal department stores. I don’t have to call a 900# or go to a strange, smelly sex shop or anything fishy. So I tried the product. Did smashingly… > [@Natural scent of women linked to increased testosterone and seduction](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/natural-scent-of-women-linked-to-increased-testosterone-and-seduction/49063): > > 2010 This news article discusses the demonstration of a sexually-relevant hormone response to the natural body odor of women, and may help to sustain interest in the use of pheromone-enhanced fragrance products for women. [2010 Women’s natural scent more seductive than perfume](http://news.discovery.com/human/women-perfume-natural-scent.html). Here’s the link to the article abstract. “…[olfactory cues signaling women’s levels of reproductive fertility](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20424057)were associated with specific endocrinological responses in men–responses that have been linked to sex… > [@Research Oriented Pheromones Description + Product Value / Ingredient Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557): > > Product Value and Price Guide(Not exact, but its close enough.) A-1: Must Home-brew it. Follow [this guide.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668) A314: About 80%(?) AndrosteR0NE, with some AndrosteNONE and 7 other pheromones in the mix as well. This is an oil based, “drip it on” kind of product, whereas the rest of the consumer line that I’m explaining comes in a spray bottle. 23.8mcg per drop. 280 drops per bottle. Regular Strength($110) = 61mcg per $. 39cents per drop. Ammunition: About 33% AndrosteNONE, 33% Alphanol, 33% An… > [@Social/cultural dynamics and how they relate phero use.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/social-cultural-dynamics-and-how-they-relate-phero-use/49512): > > While I know that this topic has been discussed here and there over the years, I thought it would be good for our newer members to look through this and discuss. Also, it’s helpful to have a better understanding of how social values come into play with respect to how pheromones can affect any particular person. I’ve seen a lot of people say “for Asians, use this mix.” The problem is that there is an important need for clarification here. An incorrect assumption is being inferred by our newer… There are many users that will be of excellent support to you, such as dbot, christiank, the ghost, to name a few. We can always use another VNO to test and report on the responses to mones! 🙂 If you haven’t done so, I’d also suggest you call up the number above and speak with Steve O. Some of the points you make in your intro should be discussed with someone who represents AD. I say this in the hopes that these comments will help out AD and further the research into these mones. I’ll check on your threads later, because I know eventually, you’ll have a personal journal to chronicle your mone uses. Don’t have too much fun with these products… no, just kidding, enjoy, but, share your joys with us! ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/curiosity/50150/5 "2011-05-03T21:44:52Z")
Welcome to pherotalk Jeremy! I am glad that you are taking this whole pheromone experience from a more scientific side and in my opinion will have a richer experience with these products. Let us know by starting a journal all about your pheromone journey as your introduction was so intriguing a journal from you will make for some good reading. **Your gc was issued! 😉**