# Da Bella da Ball Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Journals\ **Created:** [December 28, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826 "2007-12-28T20:02:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/285 "2008-06-27T13:26:46Z")
Love you back Bella. What you have said here made me rethink a few things. You see a lot that I miss which is one reason I follow your postings. I’m hoping that some of the dictates I’m seeing are just temporary (putting the un back into uncensored in particular) and that others (quotas?) are just over emphasis to make sure the least observant amongst us get the message. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/286 "2008-06-27T13:46:43Z")
Hmm, i understand how you feel Bella. Well it have to be like that. Changes do happen for the better or worse. Yes the vibe here is different now than before ☹ And yes i have seen a few of them(dictates) around here well like renny said let’s just hope it’s just temporary. Anyway cheer up & try to enjoy the time here like you used to before Bella 🙂 Look forward to your report 😃 Take care 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/287 "2008-06-27T17:42:34Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > I’ve been told by more than a few forum members that I’m not only intitled to my opinion…I’m also intitled to express it. I do not…nor have I ever…lived my life in fear and I ain’t gonna start now. If it brings the wrath of the powers that be…so be it. > > I’m distressed and disappointed in the way some things, here, have been going of late. There have been unfair and harsh judgments made. And other issues that have been discounted and overlooked. Why one is more important than the other is a mystery to me and will, no doubt, remain so. Disagreements are one thing…how they are resolved is another. > > And I’m beginning to feel dictated to. Not a position I have any intention of getting further acquainted with. I have chosen to participate in and give freely of myself on these boards. Maybe too freely. If I didn’t participate as much as I do, a lot of this would have gotten right by me. OTOH if I didn’t pay attention I wouldn’t care so much. Maybe that’s the better scenario. Sometimes I’d be better off to shut my eyes along with my mouth. Which is what I’m gonna do right now. 😉 That and try to continue to enjoy the time I spend here. And you know I love you too Bella. I have also noticed the change in vibe of the forum. It just doesn’t quite seem as friendly or fun as before. As to suffering the wrath of the powers to be for expressing your opinion, I don’t think that’s anything you have to worry about. The forum is still uncensored for the most part, and as long as you’re not being nasty or mean toward another member without provocation, or doing something which could harm Androtics, then you really have nothing to worry about. I have NEVER seen you act anything less than ladylike, and the very few times I’ve seen the wrath of Bella show, it was well provoked. Much like our free society, which truly isn’t free, the forum is uncensored. If you kill somebody you go to prison, or here in Texas they’d probably kill you. (I am against the death penalty, BTW). In the forum, they have given us a few rules to abide by as well. We can choose to follow them, or suffer the consequences for ignoring them. I didn’t necessarily agree with the ban on the unmentionable site, but at least somewhat understood the reasoning behind it. With what I know now about recent events, I fully support the ban. And even Tisha, who fought tooth and nail to prevent the ban and loves their products, is pissed off at some recent stunts that were pulled. The people that have disappeared didn’t get booted without warning. At least the 2 that immediately come to mind were sent PM’s asking them to refrain from behavior that was deemed unacceptable, in both cases the request was ignored. In the real world, if you were disturbing the peace, a cop would probably show up and ask you to stop. And if you refused, you would then probably get a citation or be arrested. I have also received a PM or 2 asking me to please stop saying this-or-that in the forum, and after getting those PM’s I realized the reasoning behind them, and stopped. I even got chastised by Tisha the other day, for mentioning the name of a product from the unmentionable site in my journal. 🙂 I agree 100% that there have been issues that have been overlooked. I can think of a couple members that I truly thought were vulgar and offensive and needed to be banned, but were never called on anything they said. It was pointed out to me that while yes they may be offensive, they are intitled to their opinions, and until an offensive remark is directed at another member it’s just an opinion, not an attack, and therefore they are not dealt with. We have had both man-haters and women-haters in the forum. I have read posts from both camps that have had my blood boiling. We’ve had members that came on-board and seemed only to want to argue with anybody that tried to help them. And we’ve had members show up with huge chips on their shoulders. But, the vast majority of members here are awesome and truly are the greatest group of people I’ve ever met. Do I agree with everything that goes on here? NO, I don’t. Do I agree with all the laws on the books in real life? Nope! But, rules are a part of life, and hopefully in the grand scheme are intended to benefit and protect. Now if SteveO ever grows a half moustache and makes us start every post with a Heil SteveO, I’m outa here! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/288 "2008-06-28T20:04:01Z")
I think Androtics had the right attitude when they started PheroTalk and encouraged people to talk about Love Scent as well. It seemed a confident thing to do and communicated that they were sure their products would do well when competing with other formulas. PheroTalk can be a pheromone information source, or it can be a strictly commercial site–then it would be AndroticsTalk. The Google ads that lead people here do seem to convey that PheroTalk is an honest forum where the truth about all pheromones is discussed. This branding of honesty and confidence will fade away if they decide to go forward with restricting discussion of competing products. Regarding being told what to do-- like everybody, I hate being bossed around. And no matter how politely it is stated, a command is a command. We gotta report on Experimones if we want to be able to buy them here. Fine by me. I can accept that. If it gets too unfun, I’ll accept junior phero status or whatever it is called. A smoother way to have reminded us and enforced the policy would have been to have moderators show up in threads encouraging testing and asking questions to individual people. However, it seems the Androtics team is busier than ever with their phero products. So I am guessing that the forum can’t be given quite as much attention as it used to. I really hope Michael and Jasmin realize that an uncensored PheroTalk is an incredible marketing tool for Androtics, and an asset they would regret losing. 🙂 Kitkit ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/289 "2008-06-29T10:47:28Z")
I was always under the impression that the idea here was to discuss pheromones. The Good The Bad and The In Between. What an understatement. From what I understand…in the thread where Jasmine pops in and explains why we…for the time being…can’t discuss potions of a magical nature…it has to do with litigation, liability and association with a competitor that has perpetrated harm…in more ways than one…to our beloved Androtics. I’m sure most people can understand it’s complicated and Androtics wants to protect themselves. I think it was a misunderstanding through lack of communication to begin with. A simple straight forward explanation would have saved everybody a lot of speculation, misunderstanding, confusion and heartache. I’m one for puttin’ the cards on the table. If it’s gonna be rough…mabbe you should tell me to spray on some Shine and pour me a stiff one first. Then deal 'em straight up. I might not like the hand but I’ll play…if I still wanna be in the game. That’s the deal. 😉 That’s the way Androtics has always been…at least since I’ve known them…straight up…and frankly it’s what I’ve come to expect. When the Magical thread just disappeared with no explanation, I’m sorry, but were we suppose to not notice? Jeeze. We were a go-go over there almost every day. Of course we started to talk about it. And then when the thread we were talking about it in disappeared…Jasmin thankfully stepped into, yet, _another_ thread and made her announcement about what was really going on…and why the Magical thread was removed and we could no longer discuss their products. Believe me, I understand her trepidation. They’ve been so upfront about all the other problems they’ve had. We know…at least anybody who’s been paying attention does. So, what I’m saying is we aren’t the types who’ll just shut up and walk away without a viable explanation…nor should we be expected to be. Obviously. 😃 When we started asking questions…they just shoulda told us. 🙄 We’re a very understanding/accepting bunch. We love this company and the people who keep it screwed together. Yes, we do. Anybody wanna argue that? As far as members who have recently been banned, I’m only aware of Eldros. Why he was banned…I’m not sure. I’m _am_ sure he wasn’t banned for no good reason and I’m also sure, as you said cowboy, that he was warned. I’m so sorry he didn’t heed that warning. But I’d like to know _why_ he was banned…for a couple of reasons. First, because he’s a friend of mine. Second, I don’t want to make the same or similar mistake. When _any_ member is banned…I don’t think it should be a secret, or crime, to ask why and expect an honest answer. Things get screwed up even with foresight and the best intentions…everybody’s doing the best they can. We’re all friends here…even if we don’t always quite agree on how to handle things…let’s not forget that. 😉 We need to look out for one another…no crime there either. Bella ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/290 "2008-06-29T16:06:07Z")
Didn’t think ya were ignoring me. 🙂 That wouldn’t be like you, Ms. Bella. Haven’t gotten any pms from you yet. Maybe now that I have so _many_ messages in my inbox, I have the same probs as the popular people. 😃 …um, actually, having broken PMs kind of sucks. I get it now. Ah well. The people with forum admin rights’ll fix it, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/291 "2008-06-29T17:09:51Z")
Hey Bella, I got your pm so not all of them are being lost. I’ll consider what you said and get back to ya. Just wanted to let you know I got it. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/292 "2008-06-29T17:49:32Z")
OK Ladies I am going to overstep my bounds here and clear up a few misconceptions because I have been getting PM’s about them as well and its easier for me to just blurt it out here. If I disappear you will know why. j/k maybe not LOL This is a huge forum and it gets bigger everyday. Yes its basically uncensored, Yes we talk about all sorts of things, Yes disagreements occur. It has always since day one of this forum been the rule that you could talk about whatever **product** you liked but not mention other Lab or manufacturers names. It has also always been a rule that you can not post other forum links or links to other pheromone businesses. While this is not really a Marketing site it is also not intended as a advertising vehicle for other pheromone companies. We all know how to use google. Its how we got here. That being said, I am sorry that you feel you have been dictated to. Perhaps this is partially my fault because instead of not informing members what is happening it has always been **my** policy to be upfront with them. To the extent that some of my own posts get deleted by the administration. (I have no problem with that either.) I choose to go with there request because I believe in Androtics there products and the people running it. I still do. In reference to the “unmentionable site” that we are all so distressed about. This has not been a easy decision for any of us. It is a **temporary** situation. Jasmin posted this in the ice breaker thread “temporary” because of the lab that was used and there association with it. Myself and SteveO decided to leave that thread untouched so that members would understand better what is occurring and why there was a problem for Jasmin with this lab. Of course the ladies took it different. They felt the men got to keep there mention of the lab but the womens thread on the associated company was lost. There is a vast difference. The ice breaker thread sheds light on why this lab is not good without damaging another company. If we had posted that info in the section for LP then it would have looked bad for them as well and we didn’t want that so it was pulled into moderation where it is safely waiting for its release. Jasmin also didn’t want them mentioned in the forum till the products from said lab were sold out. She has no problem with the unmentionable company or the new lab they use. > [@](#): > > I even got chastised by Tisha the other day, for mentioning the name of a product from the unmentionable site in my journal. 🙂 I didnt chastise you. I informed you LOL I do understand there reasoning and I support it even though I am highly distressed at not being able to talk about it. I am looking forward to the disappearance of that A-hole Chris’s products and a brighter future with once again being uncensored in this area. I am also extremely sad by the lack of understanding and faith people who have been long time well treated customers here have shown Jasmin and Androtics in this situation. (not referring to anyone in this thread) I know they will claim there are other reasons and spread hateful lies and rumors but Androtics is growing so rapidly and has had its share of bumps and bruises along the way just like any other company. All I can say about these sad events is what you put into the universe will come back to you. We are not worried about what will come back to us. But then something else occurred. Certain members violated a trust and began to PM links to this company to new members telling them to get there products there. So keywords were added to avoid this. After all it is the smartmones forum and thats not really fair to them is it ? If we did this in there forum they would pitch a fit. Now onto the keyword problem One of words " EST " was added and unknowingly to us every damn word with est in it would trigger the filter and it screwed things up. So if you wrote Best it got filtered. This caused a problem with the PM system backing up. We had no ideal it was happening until people started mentioning it on the forum alot. Obviously there is still some work needed on the keywords but I do not have the ability to do it and steveO is away on a important business trip so he is trying the best he can to fix things during breaks in seminars and interviews. Thing is store issues are a priority right now so he has to deal with those first leaving very little time for the forum and a very cranky steveO LOL j/k well not really. Let me make this perfectly clear, No one reads your PM’s the key words are all that shows in a PM. Even if we could we have no interest or time to read them. Both myself and steveO are very upset by the accusation. How we got the information that someone was PMing new members and referring them elsewhere will remain between us and the person who informed us of it. Onto the mention of disappearing members, Some members disappear over time on there own for whatever reasons. Very few members have been banned from here and not without prior warning. I know who we are referring to and I also know that you all assume that he got banned because of the comment he made to me. Not so. Its what he did after he was warned that got him banned. If you attempt to hijack the membership by PMing them with your chat room links you can be banned. This is nothing new its always been a rule. He was warned and after said warning decided to do it anyways. I have already said more on this subject then I care to. Before passing judgment realize that more go’s on behind the scenes then people know on a open forum. On to the subject of advanced users… This has always been a research forum that is no secret. Jasmin posted asking people to report on products if they bought advanced and they did when it first opened but then it stopped and people would talk about other products and the same mixes over and over. Many people have asked when are new products coming out. Well without testing data on the molecules they cant come out so they restricted new members from buying them for a while in the hopes that the more experienced members would step up get them and report. I am sure you remember me telling them they had to make a few orders first and report before they were allowed to buy advanced. Well that didn’t work out well so SteveO and Jasmin came up with the pricing incentive which is great in my opinion. You want them at a low cost then provide feedback and you get the 1/2 off incentive. At first it worked and people reported then they released the new putatives and nothing. Members of this forum bought them but very few reported on them. Myself any SteveO tested 2 and reported trying to get the ball rolling but not only one or two people responded. Mark even tried to run a contest giving out free products of his own and very few took the bait. In a last attempt to let people report before prices go up for alot of people **I** thought **I** would mention that its time to report. This was something I did in a attempt to save my friends here on the forum from having to spend double the money for some of the products they love and to inform newbies who tend not to read the stickies in all the sections to understand that if they report they can get discounts. I also have selfish reasons, I want more womens products and we are not going to get them until we report on the putatives more because they need the feedback to create them. I bitch and m o n e at steveO at least once a week about this. We need feedback is the answer. Looking in the forum the men do give more feedback on the putatives. > [@](#): > > A smoother way to have reminded us and enforced the policy would have been to have moderators show up in threads encouraging testing and asking questions to individual people. However, it seems the Androtics team is busier than ever with their phero products. So I am guessing that the forum can’t be given quite as much attention as it used to. We cant ask them questions if they dont report. Alot and I mean alot of advancd users have the new putatives. How many reports have you read. We tried. “They should have told us” Other members have the right to privacy so there are somethings we cant just tell you. Jasmin has the right to do what she feels she must to protect the company the forum and the members in it. She cant always discuss why and its kills her more then it kills us. Now that he has been arrested and its been made public its a little better but she still dosnt want to open that can of worms to far. So if this feels like dictatorship I am truely sorry. Even in a uncensored forum some order needs to be followed. ALL this over that one Bad **labs** actions. Sure they could have been upfront and just flat out presented the facts on this company but how would that have reflected on the scent company we know and love. They took the “if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all” approach. Tisha PS If I am banned inkling has my email addy 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/293 "2008-06-29T20:09:03Z")
Will someone please untie ({{Tisha}}). 😃 We love ya, girl. 😉 Thank-you. I know the Magical ladies are inexperienced when it comes to pheromones and the quality of such. They were duped because of their inexperience and were led astray by people they trusted who should know better and had their own agenda…they’ve learned a hard lesson and are on their way to straightening out. Yeay. 🙂 I LOVE their POTIONS!!! I’ll try to report more on the putatives I have. My prob is I don’t wear them everyday and don’t have as many opportunities to test under circumstances that are conducive to it. I’ll do what I can. 😉 Bells ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/294 "2008-06-29T20:26:43Z")
![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/6/6980eb6887947232bed06bbdf421555f2cf49868.jpeg) She has a headache…and she misses her ninjababe. So sorry. Oh well, everybody’s gotta pay the piper. 😉 Adiós, amigo. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/295 "2008-06-29T20:33:17Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Will someone please untie ({{Tisha}}). Naaah, not so fast!!! 😃 😛 Well, thanks for the insights Tish! That clears some things up. The only thing I still don’t understand is why it’s so terrible to PM members with a chat room address… I’ve been there and had a great time watching someone _cough_ finally find the Enter key. 😃 It’s been just fun and not much pheromone talk there either. And the info on the chat room stated that it’s not affiliated with any site. So I really don’t see the problem in inviting members of this forum to a little personal chit chat… ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/296 "2008-06-29T20:50:41Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Naaah, not so fast!!! 😃 😛 > > Well, thanks for the insights Tish! That clears some things up. _ **The only thing I still don’t understand is why it’s so terrible to PM members with a chat room address…** _ I’ve been there and had a great time watching someone _cough_ finally find the Enter key. 😃 It’s been just fun and not much pheromone talk there either. And the info on the chat room stated that it’s not affiliated with any site. So _ **I really don’t see the problem in inviting members of this forum to a little personal chit chat.** _.. I was done till I saw this…? Gee, I’ve PMed people my private email to speak to me outside of the forum. We also discuss pheromones at my private address. 🙄 I guess you could call it my own private chat room. Though I only speak to one person at a time. There are people, who know better, who have committed _much more_ grievous offenses…and for _whatever_ reason…the powers that be have chosen to overlook/excuse them…and _they_ certainly aren’t 17-18 yr old kids. _That is patently UNFAIR. But then again, fairness has absolutely NOTHING to do with it, not in this case. I really have to stop paying so much attention. Ya see, I really do know_…I just don’t understand. 🙄 Now I’m done. Bella ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/297 "2008-06-29T21:07:55Z")
On Eldros and the chatroom issue, I completely understand the reason and motivation behind banning him. Plain and simple, he was politely asked to stop using the forum to try to lure members over to his chatroom, and he did not. Then after his thread was removed, instead of letting it go, he kept it up and started PM’ing members. If he was not asked to stop and was banned without warning, then I could sympathize, but that wasn’t the case. BTW, just so it’s clear, I also liked Eldros and even sent him some of my pheros so that he could participate in my contest awhile back. ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/298 "2008-06-29T21:20:28Z")
Maybe if he promised not to do it anymore, he could come back? Oh and the EST filter is hilarious! Not only do I often sign off with Best! Kitten, I also have EST in my signature. Sooo many words end with est. Best, behest, jest, majestic, pinkest, blackest, lest, ablest, calmest, plumpest, pest, rest, forest, crassest, test, cutest, vest, divest, west, newest, zest. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/299 "2008-06-29T21:20:37Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > On Eldros and the chatroom issue, I completely understand the reason and motivation behind banning him. > > Plain and simple, he was politely asked to stop using the forum to try to lure members over to his chatroom, and he did not. Then after his thread was removed, instead of letting it go, he kept it up and started PM’ing members. > > If he was not asked to stop and was banned without warning, then I could sympathize, but that wasn’t the case. Sure Mark, I just don’t understand what’s the problem with a chat room where we can just gather for a little talk about all and nothing… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/300 "2008-06-29T21:27:13Z")
Well Bob I am not the rule maker I am the enforcer but I do understand the reasoning and it was discussed months ago on the forum between us I believe you remember that post. They had PMed steveO on this and he explained Androtics position then. It was made clear then, he was warned again this time, The warning was disregarded. How many times should we warn someone before we take action ? There is more to it but I really cant breach that. > [@Poll to chatroom or not to chatroom "that is the question"](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/poll-to-chatroom-or-not-to-chatroom-that-is-the-question/189831): > > Alright let decide now if we should have a chatroom for phero research! THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO ELIMINATE post results on the forum. It is an idea to help users with there mix. Results will still be posted on the forum but the chat room will help experts assisted in helping new users with phero combos and such. Lets vote Bella if you want to exchange email addy’s with people cause you want to stay in touch or chat that is fine. No one said you couldnt do this. What ever you talk about by email is not affilated with this site at all. I would also add that we take pride in the fact that this is a very active forum. We work very hard to make it that way. If you had a forum and someone came in and tried to lure your membership away what would you do? How would you feel ? What grievous offenses? Show them to me and I will either explain why or take action. Mercury is in retrograde big time. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/301 "2008-06-29T21:42:18Z")
Well, obviously I am not Androtics and cannot speak for them. All I know is that he was asked to stop using the forum to lure members over to his chatroom, and he did not! But, I’ll make a guess and say that it’s possible they may have felt that if Eldros were allowed to use the forum to solicit members for his chatroom, others might feel they’re entitled to solicit forum members for other reasons or purposes as well. So, where do you draw the line? ---
**Author:** ![bond007](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bond007/32/1076_2.png) [@bond007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bond007)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/302 "2008-06-29T21:46:15Z")
thats a good point mark, i understood eldros’s banning as well and was almost banned myself… just ask the lady with the bondage fetish 😉 bond ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/303 "2008-06-29T21:52:07Z")
Hmm, sad that i have to see this happening. Eldros was a good buddy & friend of mine so i will miss him. For his offense, i got nothing to say about it as he has been banned from here. Well i noticed this is becoming a flaming war here, do anyone noticed? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826/304 "2008-06-29T22:04:26Z")
Ok where is the flaming, I am looking for grievous offenses and flaming and cant find any. Someone want to help me out here 😕 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826.md?page=14) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/da-bella-da-ball-journal/7826.md?page=16)