# Daedelus' journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [May 31, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297 "2008-05-31T02:16:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2008, 8:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/21 "2008-06-08T08:48:22Z")
That’s a good post, Daedelus. I can see how you’re starting to get a handle on the pheromones, and willing to take risks with the -none. NPA is strong stuff, even diluted, so by doing what you’re doing on a limited basis, you’re probably conditioning yourself to handle it better. Reps to ya for that (EDIT-- er… just as soon as I spread the love. Seems I repped your recently. 😉) -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2008, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/22 "2008-06-08T09:23:52Z")
I suck at the math… what does 7 drops of NPA in 5 mL of Aqua Velva make in mcg per spray? Assuming the sprayer is roughly the size spray pattern of the large spray bottles? It smells diluted enough. My “guesstimation” is maybe 2 mcg/spray, but my math could be off. It smells like, with 2 sprays, I’m wearing a little more androstenone than in 1 spray of Ammo, but not quite as much androstenone in 1 drop of Alter Ego (which I’ve tried… and it is just too strong for me for every day). BTW, I wore less androstenone earlier in the day and seemed to make some eye contact with a young Asian woman who seemed somewhat shy. So I’m not OD’ing with only one spray, at least. Instant Honesty has really done a head trip, on me, though. It seems to make me emotionally connect with people on a deep level- I wore like 4 sprays of it in total yesterday, and about 2 sprays when I was around my brother talking to him. Like I’m really worried about my bro. and his problems have become my problems. Of course, some of this would happen ordinarily, but not to this extent- I feel like I’ve gotten really close to him somehow, closer than I have been in a long time. Combined with the coffee… I just got no sleep last night. Not a problem for me as I’m “unemployed” for the moment and working on my self, but still not cool and seems a reaction to note. I’m glad I finally reached him… pheromones obviously work, folks! Two months ago my brother couldn’t even give me the time of day and treated me like a younger brother who knew nothing about people. Now he’s taking advice from me, instead of trying to shrug off what I say. Amazing Instant Honesty = Deanna Troi (ST: The Next Generation- the cabbage head that sat next to Picard?) The empath pheromone? Vulcan Mind Meld? “My mind to your mind, my thoughts to your thoughts…” This is definitely the most “Star Trek” pheromone 🙂 I don’t think many n00bs realize how “powerful” these things can be, even in low doses. The secret is repeated exposure. At first I was afraid to wear them around my family, but now I’m not so worried. If anything it seems to make us get along better than without them (and plus, I told my mom about them, and she actually thinks its a good idea, but it’s our little secret). Though, I have found if you can’t “walk the walk” with Instant Honesty + [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) , it can suck. I’ve noted situations where I “point out things” to people. It sounds a bit arrogant unless you can do it with “unconditional positive regard” (psychological-speak), or as Dale Carnegie said, “not criticizing or condemning”. You just get a wierd look or feeling from them like “hey, maybe you are some wise monk guy… but who are you telling me what is right and wrong?” There’s some resistance/rationalization unless you can sidestep their objections by trying to go indirectly/soft. It also goes both ways. I notice I’m more accepting of ambiguity from other people with Instant Honesty. Somewhat more tolerant of give and take in conversations, and along with some self-help stuff, am quickly becomming a better conversationalist and actually listening to people and having better give-and-take. I really think pheromones can help you change your behavior, if you are open to that change. Honestly, my big regret is that I didn’t discover this pheromone stuff years ago, because it could have saved me alot of pain as a shy/socially avoidant person - I decided to reform my life at the age of 28, starting to take some control back and basicly have been on a slow, upward course ever since, but it’s only been in the last month or two I’ve made a huge leap. I’ll have to talk more about that on another post. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2008, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/23 "2008-06-08T09:40:59Z")
I… kinda suck at the math, too. I just do a 5:1 dilution with cologne and call it good. The only other way I’ve used it is straight dabs, but I haven’t done that since last year. [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) = Deanna Troi, eh? That’s an interesting way to look at it. It begs the question: What components would make up Instant Lawaxana Troi? My guess for men would be Mystery Boy. Yeah, I can totally see it… \ “I am Data4, son of the Fifth Strip Joint, Holder of the sacred Bottle of Dirty, and Heir to the 5 Cockrings of Vegas!” complete with a Liberace outfit. Jesus, I need some sleep… -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/24 "2008-06-08T16:31:20Z")
[Mystery Boy](https://a314.com/product/mystery-boy/) on a straight guy? Hmm… that would be interesting. It wouldn’t make you “gay” though, and I doubt you’ld even look gay, as from what I’ve read, gays have unique sensitivity to androstadienone and **Estratetraenol** (and I don’t believe either are in that product). I never saw Luwaxana Troi as being particularly empathic. Mostly she was just a tease, in a really annoying way. It was like her whole role in life was to flirt with Picard in the most unsettling way, getting under his cool, professionally unsexual exterior. And when Picard does fall for a woman, who does he fall for… a criminal who is most likely also a person with deep seated personality issues… right (Vash, the ethically challenged, female Indiana Jones)? Actually, sometimes I agree with Q… sometimes Picard was a bit of a dick 🙂 (and actually, Q was one of my favorite characters… a trickster in the Native American tradition). BTW, I just checked the math and each spray of my 7 drops per 5 ml atomizer is probably giving 2.5mcg of androstenone. So I’d say 5-6 mcg is probably getting close to my upper limit. I still think 1 spray is good in many situations and it seems to avoid the buildup and anxiety that I experienced initially. I was wearing so much I smelled very wierd, whereas 1-2 sprays of the NPA dilution smells fairly natural on me, sort of like I haven’t taken a shower in a few days (plus I believe the “secret ingredient” is actually there to buffer the smell, perhaps), but without the butyric acid funky smell. Honestly I ought to try out the Alter Ego and figure out a similar concoction, since it is buffered (and why waste it?). I also like the smell of whatever the cover is in Alter Ego. I can’t believe I detested it initially. I may have to buy some androstenone Experimone some time in the future and experiment around more with a proper “dosage” to find the exact sweet spot. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/25 "2008-06-09T01:33:29Z")
Today’s mix 1 spray NPA dilution (1.5dr/mL), 10mcg androsterone, 2 sprays of diluted Instant Honesty/[Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) X2 50/50 on wrists. I’m gonna skip alot of the boring details from now on and just talk about general observations… With an MC jacket I think it cuts down on the diffusion a little. I carried the gloves around with me just to drag around the extra 'pheromones. I’m thinking of actually spraying the gloves with a little androsterone and androstenone in the inside- I don’t know about the “lifespan” of androsterone though. I waved to some squiddy sportbikers, two fingers up at an intersection. All the sudden on the way home they pass me at 65 mph, scare the piss out of me on my little scooter. No time to react, it sounded like they were about to plow into me, and I flinched and swerved just a little. One of them returns the wave with a honk, so I honk back. Silly kids 🙂 I noticed I was alot more open to talking with the “barista” at the coffee place. We didn’t small talk alot, but I did ask about why she was hiding away the milk behind the counter (I had an iced coffee), and I asked her “how are you doing?” and got a response like “fine… how are you?”. An older guy with a young gal comes in and asks about finding work, again (“no… sorry we aren’t hiring… try again at the end of summer”, usually shit around here). They stand in line forever on their order. At one point she looks at me and says “would you need any milk or anything, can I help you?” I just say, “No, I can wait on them to finish their order”. They look at me a little funny, like “what?”. They leave, I ask for a refill of coffee. No can do (cheap bastards… at least Starbucks gives me refills). I just sort of shrug, say “oh…” and then accept some milk to put in what’s left of the coffee. I go out and sit down. A little kid is out playing around on the bike rack. He gives me alot of curious looks. I smile a little and wave at him. His mom, who is nearby, gives me a brief look (she’s smoking and pats the kid on the head with a cigarette in her hand - charming LOL. She’s got a coarse Jersey accent and frankly, doesn’t look all that appealing) and seems to nonverbally chide the kid for staring at me and mutters some stuff to him. He’s fascinated though by my appearance. I pretend not to notice him too much. Probably not a pheromone “hit” per se as I get alot of these looks from kids when I’m wearing my gear: curiosity. He goes away for a while, then some other kids come up to gawp at me and it repeats itself. The gal at the CVS seemed tired in her reactions. I think Instant Shine would have added a bit to this mix, but I’m trying to experiment around. She was tired and didn’t give me alot of eye contact. Plus there was a guy there yacking at her behind the counter about god-knows-what, something about “…is that illegal?”. I could have butted into the conversation, I suppose. But my “skillz” with convo and charisma aren’t there yet. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/26 "2008-06-09T15:26:35Z")
Your report is getting interesting there buddy 🙂 Hmm, yeah some silly kids tried to be a daredevil in the road. And good to hear you can talk with the barista at the coffee place a lot more better than before 🙂 For the girl at CVS, you will get your chance again to experiment & do consider to improve your skills in conversation & charisma. Anyway some reps for your updated report 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/27 "2008-06-09T21:52:38Z")
Well, I got EoW today and I wore some… around my mom even. She didn’t say anything when we went out shopping and did some errands (cat food and the like). Then I told her over lunch what I was wearing (she knows I wear pheromones), and what copulins did, and she and I had a few laughs. She didn’t really feel any different around me at all. At one point she did get some hot flashes and a little nervous, though, but that could just be the heat. We stopped and got some water for her, and I needed some labels for vials, too. BTW, self-effects seemed pretty mild from just one drop. I felt maybe a little more masculine, maybe a little more powerful. I felt a bit “nervous” when I first put it on, though. Frisky? There’s definitely a sexual component to this stuff, although I wouldn’t say it’s very forward, unless you want it to be. I didn’t feel highly sexualized, maybe just a touch. Manwhore? Definitely not. Ladies man? Maybe. It’s not so much a “jerk” kind of effect like I was expecting, more like a “smooth” guy that is confident around women. That could be the other pheromones I was wearing, too. Plus I’m no longer a teenager or young guy with raging hormones. I can imagine in women it would make them look more feminine and approachable in larger doses. I got lots of [IOI](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/#)’s from men, a few from women- I was walking with my mom… maybe they thought I was taken 😮. All the women I interacted with treated me well, I didn’t sense any negative reactions, but I only interacted with a few people. I did not wear this stuff alone, but I wore it with some Scent of Eros, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), and a little androsterone/[Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) (5mcg androsterone)… oh, and a touch of NPA, not alot, maybe the equiv. of 1/4 of a drop. Oh yeah, this copulins stuff smells like a really funky aged cheese combined with wine or vinegar. It’s very wierd smelling, doesn’t smell masculine at all. think it might be better diluted to half a drop, although 1 drop didn’t seem to produce any wierd reactions I’m not sure it’s good at that dosage every day. Edit… hmm… the smell is getting much stronger. Actually, I feel a bit nauseous, for some reason… Probably a combination of greasy food, heat I’ve experienced during the day, and the smell of the pheromones and the cologne (It’s a little intense for summer, honestly). I ran to the bathroom and threw up a little, then grabbed some water to try and settle my stomach. The smell is mingling a bit with the cover scent (OS Pure Sport) and its really a potent, twangy smell just sitting here on the computer and I made the mistake of putting my arm near my face, yecch… I’ve got a sensitive stomach when it comes to odors sometimes I’m feeling my pulse and anxiety go up just a wee bit, too… and um, some sexual thoughts are sort of creeping into my consciousness more often with this stuff (how embarassing, but it’s in the name of “science” 🙂. I think you need to cover this stuff up really well, it’s kind of nasty after a while. But like I said, I’ve got a really sensitive nose for a guy. I think I need to dilute this stuff for sure if I wear it again. I feel like a bit of a teenager or something wearing this stuff with raging hormones, plus the smell is, umm… potent. If I break out in zits tomorrow or the day after, I’ll know what to blame (BTW, I still get acne even in my 30’s- heat in summer seems to cause breakouts, plus sunscreen. I use tea tree pads and Clearasil pads every day, otherwise my pores clog up and I get papular acne). Now I can perfectly understand why they call that stuff “Dirty”, BTW. It really does seem to insert sexuality into a guys mind in a way androstenone doesn’t. 🙂 If it doesn’t make him toss cookies first 🙂 LOL. Addendum: Later in the day we had a movie to return to Best Buy, and my brother came along. We wen’t out to eat afterwards at some cheap place. On the way home, I noticed a certain hostility in everybody’s voice. The copulins smell was still pretty strong on my arms, even after the cologne weared off. By this point in the day I believe my other pheromones had been reduced alot. I felt vulnerable. In the restaurant, noises seemed louder and everything was irritating. In the car, the convo was dominated by negative vibes, people just seemed a little edgey and not as cool. I don’t know if copulins were a cause or not. I do know I did some research on the ingredients, and one of the ingredients is butyric acid. This is the rank smell in BO, the nasty smelling stuff you find on rancid butter, etc. Tentative hypothesis and conclusions: Perhaps a man wearing copulins requires sufficient buffers of other pheromones, otherwise he’ll seem like the sexual interloper that just happened to get lucky, and thus, open to attack? I have no idea but this whole thing has raised my suspicions about copulins. Plus, the stuff is darn hard to wash off, it’s about as bad as androstenone, maybe even worse. I also have to wonder if maybe the Essence of Woman is attempting to be too realistic with the butyric acid, perhaps there are other ingredients that are less offensively odored but contribute more to the sexual effect? Perhaps there are ingredients in this copulins product that promote hostility? Further musings: Is copulins actually the odor of female smegma? [Smegma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smegma) Not to get too graphic, but men can make their own version of this too (assuming they are like the majority of men on this planet, and not, er, surgically altered, _circumcised_). Actually, now that I think of it, copulins is just the smell of rotting dead skin cells and oil. That would explain all those acids in the stuff. Is it really a pheromone? I guess it does alter peoples’ behavior somewhat, but it’s not directly made by the human body, at least not most of the ingredients. Propionic acid, valeric, butyric acid, etc (reading some stuff from the ingredients list on the bottle) are usually the result of bacterial decay, and aren’t even uniquely found in genitalia. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/28 "2008-06-10T07:06:06Z")
Copulins are actually vaginal secretions from a woman who is aroused. It’s in her natural lubricants. To me, the smell is like… well, you said smegma, so I can say this. 😉. It smells like a woman who had sex 3 or 4 times in a short amount of time, then slept for 8 hours in a Florida summer with no a/c and spent half an hour in a sauna, all without showering after the sex. I think men and women share certain chemicals that make the smells and tastes of certain things similar. In fact, I’ve been told that semen tastes similar to vaginal juices, but with a few noticeable differences. So, yeah, I think that’s why it smells similar to male funk. BTW, my usual application spot for Dirty is below my navel. It cuts down on the smell for you as the wearer, however you specifically may still have a problem since your sense of smell is pretty sensitive. For dilution, I like the baby oil mix I put together. You can still smell the copulins, but it’s masked somewhat. Not sure of the composition of EoW-- is it oil or alcohol? -D4 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 8:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/29 "2008-06-10T08:14:11Z")
> [@data4](#): > > Copulins are actually vaginal secretions from a woman who is aroused. It’s in her natural lubricants. To me, the smell is like… well, you said smegma, so I can say this. 😉. Although, I believe the female version of copulins is probably distinct enough from “man crotch funk” in subtle ways (men and women do have different hormones of course, and men usually have more _Propionbacter acnes_ cooties), it’s just similar in nature and is heavily bacterial influenced (unlike androstenol, for instance). Also, I finished reading _Scent of Eros_ (not that long of a book, really) and it notes that progesterone also influences a woman’s copulins scent favorably. So the stuff in a bottle is probably just an approximation. It sounds like it isn’t due to a single chemical, but more like our brains have been hard-wired to respond to a chord (to use a musical analogy) of odors and recognize it as copulins. And my image of valerian root (valeric acid, another ingredient) will be forever tainted by copulins. 🙂 Now I understand sort of why so many people hate the smell of valerian. I never thought of it as being sexual in any way (maybe it goe back to that chord analogy earlier). Kohl, in _Scent of Eros,_ also notes that some of the rhesus monkeys involved in experiments reacted differently when exposed to copulins, the results weren’t always consistant, and there was a learning factor involved, possibly- that’s what I gathered, anyways. Also, women exposed to copulins thought shy, quiet men were more attractive, moreso than the women exposed to adrostenone (who were attracted to very macho/assertive men), very interesting experiment noted in there. He also makes a tentative, but interesting assertion that male/female circumcision may have been unconsciously influenced by the desire to remove copulins from the equation of human sexuality, in the absence of commonplace bathing/hygene. > [@](#): > > You can still smell the copulins, but it’s masked somewhat. Not sure of the composition of EoW-- is it oil or alcohol? I think it’s all or mostly alcohol based, similar to Alter Ego (which I know you can dilute with cologne into an atomizer, shake well, and spray). I’ll experiment in the future. For now I will lay off because copulins seems too much of an unknown, and probably not the best for regular social stuff unles it’s buffered. I bet a man smelling of copulins without any other pheromones would probably be in for some rather cold/harsh treatment, that’s my hunch. I’m also now gaining some more stuff for my hypothesis that some of the chemicals that develope on the unwashed body probably contribute to intensifying depression. I bet some of those fatty acids found in copulins probably contribute to deepening depression, especially in isolation. It would be interesting to do more research. At the end of the day I definitely felt something was “wrong”, when it seemed like the androstenols and androsterone had sort of worn off… like I was open to attack and everything was irritating me. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2008, 8:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/30 "2008-06-11T08:34:43Z")
Well folks, it’s O’Dark Thirty here and my bro. and mom are over working on a house, about $15 dollars in diesel away (that’s how you measure stuff now days). Today I didn’t do alot… I tried a reduced copulins mixture, maybe 1/4 drop or so sprayed (yes, it does spray/mix), mixed with an equal dilution of Alter Ego and covered with 1 spray of my diluted NPA (about 2.5mcg of androstenone). Scent of Eros was the base mix, and I put that on first. What a sucky day, though… it was raining all afternoon/evening. I rode the 50 out to the grocery store and picked up a few things, got a little wet. I added on some Instant Shine and my own “home brew” 50/50 [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)/Instant Honesty. I noticed alot of attention wearing this mix, more IOI’s from everybody. The guy at the register was polite. The weather was sucking so I just went home and dried off a little. Later in the evening I went to the bookstore and looked around, read some magazines. I added another spray of NPA, more Instant Openness/Honesty. I read some magazines and noticed some people looking my way a little, but nobody approached me. When I went through past a group of people meeting and talking in the store, I seemed to blend with them perfectly, I didn’t give off an “interloper” vibe, and I got a few casual glances. I ordered some coffee “To Go” and the staff was fairly friendly… but there were no free tables and this place was full of college students. My dirty little secret is I feel intimidated around college student, I just feel like I can’t talk to them- and I’m cursed by being surrounded by alot of college students all over the immediate area. So rather than barge around looking for an empty table, I just decided to leave. Overall a very mediocre day. I was in a down mood, bordering on depression almost… so I went home, took a bath, put on a little Scent of Eros because that seems to really even things out, took some SAM-e and put on some Patchouli to sniff (I’ve heard it’s good stuff for when you are feeling down, but then I don’t know much about aromatherapy). Better luck next time but I probably have more work to do with myself, if I have so little confidence/success. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/31 "2008-06-11T18:29:40Z")
I accidentally got a big whiff of copulins earlier today (synthetic, of course… I didn’t spill anything on the floor/desk, thankfully). Self-effects are very interesting. It feels similar to [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) with a highly sexual edge. I am wearing no other pheromones, but I haven’t taken a shower yet (I took a bath yesterday). I feel a little weak, you know, like something is in my throat or on my chest. I feel softened, but still masculine. I also feel just slightly nauseous, and it feels like there is the presence of another human being in the room, one that is a woman (but unlike Instant Female Magic, it isn’t a dark feeling, it’s rather light… Instant Female Magic also feels a bit gender-neutral, or even masculine). There is a definite sexual component to this feeling as well, but it’s not too forward, at least in whatever “dosage” I got from the whiff. I would say the sensation is almost like being attracted to somebody sexually, combined with falling in love. Sad that I’m falling in love with a bottle of chemicals (and I didn’t even get her name or phone number, LOL) 🙂 I guess the women have us whipped… maybe I just need some man-pheromones? I think I’m going to invest in a gas mask to work around all these pheromones 🙂 Definitely I’m going to invest in another ozone generator/ionizer to “clean out” the rooms I work in (I keep pheromones in about two rooms, one of them has an ionizer but it can’t handle anything but a little whiff of odors). I’ll also have to test out a spritz or two of Febreeze. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/32 "2008-06-14T02:07:38Z")
Not much too much to report today. Today’s mix was Scent of Eros, 5mcg [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) plus some Instant Shine for late lunch. Later in the day I put on some Instant Gentleman and Instant Honesty/Instant Openness over the Scent of Eros. Me and my mom went to Best Buy to look for some movies. It’s hot in here, maybe over 80 degrees, 82 degrees. My mom comments on maybe they are cheaping out. A guy in a blue shirt walks up and says “how can you help you?” I immediately ask why it is so hot. I was surprised I was so fearless in just going up to this guy. He responds that the AC is broken. I tell him it’s understandable, but I wish it were cooler, and “thanks”, and walk off. I did it with very little thought, just seemed the natural thing to do- complain about the environment in the store (my mom had commented that maybe they were being cheapskates on the AC). I felt like a man wanting to demand answers in that little interaction, like my time was too important to mess around with yet another cheap-ass store worried about electric bills (sorry, but it is annoying as hell in Florida’s summers to have no respite from the heat), I wasn’t the least bit worried at all about how he’d react- I knew he’d answer at least somewhat respectfully (though personally, I felt it was a little “matter of fact”, there was no warmth in his voice at all- but he wasn’t snide at all). We went to the Movie Stop and I was looking for a particular movie. The guy that was working there was super-helpful to us, and looked it up- they should have had it but they didn’t have it on the shelf, somebody must have hid it away or stole it, who knows. But anyways he was very friendly. When we left my mom commented on the guy being friendly, helpful, and taking his job seriously. I suggested it was pheromones, then she immediately agreed, but I just gave a caveat that perhaps he was naturally that way to some people, and the pheromones combined with our demeanor just cued him off that he could be more helpful to us. I asked her what she was wearing- she said the stuff in the purple atomizer (I filled this for her in a “to Go” sized atomizer), Instant Sexiness B- 1 spray. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/33 "2008-06-14T17:37:18Z")
I had a little accident with NPA earlier. Let’s just say I got a little too much on me. Crap, this stuff is like a couple cups of coffee (without the caffeine)… even after I washed it off I was “wired”. I also feel cranky. It couldn’t help of course I haven’t had much coffee today. NPA won’t be in any future orders, for sure. I think I’ll try The Edge or [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)… NPA is just way too strong to easily work with if you are sensitive to androstenone. Plus, the dropper for NPA sucks, it comes out way too fast- my bottle is like Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde… it worked fine a week ago, now it sucks. Also, I’m going to try MX203 soon. Not sure what it’lr do. Phatsounds had fun with it at the club, but I don’t go to clubs ☹ ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/34 "2008-06-14T18:37:48Z")
I’ve always had NPA as a staple in my collection, but the more I read about [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/), the more I’m considering it as a replacement. It’s over twice the price, but as it’s oil-based, it’ll probably last twice as long. I have the same problem with the dropper top on NPA. It’s… for lack of a better word, retarded. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/35 "2008-06-14T19:51:10Z")
> [@Daedelus76](#): > > Also, I’m going to try MX203 soon. Not sure what it’lr do. Phatsounds had fun with it at the club, but I don’t go to clubs ☹ Good you are trying [MX203](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx203/) there buddy 😃 Let’s see what it can do for you there & it doesn’t necessary need to be in a club, you too can try it anywhere you want or like a bar in your town buddy 🙂 Go for it buddy! ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/36 "2008-06-15T01:38:03Z")
Just some thoughts… Mostly today I tried out some TAK in a mega-dose and I’m now convinced that WAGG is either wholely or partly TAK. The effects are almost the same, if not the same altogether. TAK diffuses much better. Both [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) seem to produce an easygoing, consensus seeking vibe and a tendency to take down peoples emotional defenses/shields. Both seem to produce about the same effects in the same dosage (~50mcg). I think they are almost interchangeable, except TAK seems to be a little more expensive, but works a little better than WAGG in dropper form (I may try putting some in alcohol and an atomizer, this stuff is great stuff, both TAK and WAGG, for creating an easygoing mood). It’s probably great for socially ackward people, too, since it seems to reduce tension. Some other thoughts… I notice I’m getting a little more outgoing with people in the last week or two. It’s not a huge difference, but it’s gradual. It is frustrating some times because I realize that I have a long ways to go, when things go wrong it’s even depressing a bit, but I suppose Rome was not built in a day. I need to keep pushing myself without pushing too hard. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2008, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/37 "2008-06-17T04:09:56Z")
Well, today I just wore Scent of Eros all day, re-applied a little once. Lousy weather here in Florida, grey skies most of the day, but cooler temperatures too. I’ve been wearing the same shirt for three days in a sort of mini-experiment to see what happens. I took a bath this morning but it’s the same shirt I wore two days ago. The shirt smells a bit like musk, but that’s probably from my deodorant. I cut myself shaving this morning, though, didn’t even feel it (the blades I sometimes use are Feather’s, they are super sharp- I’ll probably quit using this blade and find a smoother one), so I’ll have to launder the polo shirt tonight and get the stain out if I can. I went to Walgreens and looked at their fragrances just for kicks. They had some imitation fragrances on sale so I bought a few to try out, such as an Obsession knockoff and Cool Water, plus imitation Acqua di Gio- on sale. The Cool Water seems to be very close to the original, though the top note is slightly hazy compared to the orginal. I understand sometimes butane is used as a thinner in these types of fragrances, perhaps that is what I’m smelling, or perhaps the fragrance is just more diluted. I was talking to Data4 in aother thread about trying a nasty/overbearing/cheap fragrance out with pheromones and seeing what reaction I’d get. The Obsession knockoff seems close, as it’s pretty overbearing smelling, very sweet amber, doesn’t even smell like a men’s fragrance. I’ve also wanted to try the infamous Jade East, since I never tried that one but my parents remember it. Have some mischief with pheromones, see just how far you can push them 🙂 It’s my opinion now days that I don’t think fragrances matter that much at all, and in fact I’ve noticed my nose isn’t so tuned to them anymore. It’s like my nose is tuning into pheromones moreso. I don’t know if this makes any sense at all, or if it’s even feasable, but it seems like I’m actually smelling peoples pheromones closer to “consciously”, and I smell through fragrances alot of the time like they aren’t even there. Again, I think most fragrance snobs underestimate the power of “personal body chemistry” in deciding wheather a fragrance smells good. I got a compliment the other day wearing a drugstore cologne, so that’s intrigued my interest in seeing just how wierd you can go. BTW, I’ve also taken just to wearing aromatherapy essential oils dissolved into jojoba. Smells sort of good, actually, in a “natural” sort of way- better than alot of colognes. I’ve gotten some wierd compliments from family members, though (jokes about smelling like a hippy), but I am starting to become a believe in aromatherapy. I’ve also experimented a bit with just sticking them under my nose and using less and seeing what that does. I really like the smell of patchouli and lavender, oranges are nice too, so is frankincese. My mom’s got an air freshener in the car smelling like “lavender” because she thought it would smell nice and she’s heard its good for “calming”, but sniffing it, it just smells artificial (more like linalool than real lavender) and gives me a heady buzzy feeling (sort of like that Obsession knockoff I was talking about earlier- it’s almost pheromonal in some way) - she ought to just try out the real thing, methinks. There was an older Asian woman at the checkout that was very friendly to me, much moreso than most Asians I’ve encountered. Her voice seemed to warm up a bit to me as I talked with her a little. I walked up to the counter and said “Hello” with a little cheer in my voice, enthusiasm. She said “Hello… how are you?”. I hand her the money and sort of say “Fine”. She seemed somewhat reserved on the whole, and I commented on the weather being rotten, talked about that a little as I bought the fake frags and some nuts and other assorted items, then told her thank you and bye. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/38 "2008-06-18T04:38:31Z")
Today I went to Whole Foods wearing 2 sprays of that WAGG mixture I made earlier, plus a little Scent of Eros. I wanted to get some essential oils and perfume oils that my local store didn’t have. I bought my oils, checked out from the store, and there was this Asian clerk there, maybe 24-32, and I was friendly to him and said hello. I went to swipe my card in the machine, and I just sort of zoned out a bit, figuring he was waiting on the machine on his end, and then after about 30 seconds he said “Sir, what is it asking for?”. I go “oh, sorry… let me check the machine. I don’t often shop here, so I’m not too familiar with this.” He says “Did you enjoy shopping here?” “Oh yeah, it’s great except it’s sort of far… and you know how gas prices are”. “Oh yeah… I know. Where do you live?”. I tell him where I lived and he’s like “Oh yeah, that’s pretty far especially with gas at $4 a gallon”. We have a few smiles and laughs in the conversation. It was a great exchange and one of the first times I’ve actually made much real small talk with people, so I think this is a milestone- I think I’m getting better at this. BTW, I was actually nervous in the store. This place is on the ritzier side of Orlando and this place is always packed. I did get a semi-rude response from a woman who was looking at the oils at the same time I was, she asked me to move out of the way, to which I said “oh sorry”. She did her business and never said “thank you”, which I thought was a little impolite. Maybe she was just shy, who knows. This is an uppity side of town. The land is worth alot of money but most of the houses look like crap from the 1950’s. I played around for a few hours mixing up oils… smelling them each individual and thinking about what I wanted to create (I’ve made some fragrances before, with mixed results… this time I was thinking of floral Oriental). I ended up mixing 2 drops of neroli, 4 drops of orange, 1 drop of rose absolute, 2 drops of geranium, 2 each of ylang ylang and jasmine, 1 each of frankincense, myrrh, vanilla, sandalwood, 1 synthetic ambergris, and 2 drops of patchouli, in a little bit of jojoba oil. I initially mixed it up without the geranium, but it smelled too feminine without it. The fragrance is actually nice - I like it, but like an oil pheromone, it doesn’t diffuse quickly, in fact if you are moving around there isn’t a huge cloud around you like with a spray, and it lasts a long time. And it’s pretty light dissolved in about a mililiter of jojoba. Incidentally, alot of these oils have aromatherapy properties that are good for depression and anxiety. I also ordered some oud oil to try out, it’s a cheaper oud but I’d be interested in playing around with it and seeing what it can do, especially worn under something else or mixed with fragrant oils. I also asked around a bit on a few fragrance forums about unusual fragrances to try out that also were not too expensive. So I put in order for some Lucky You, Salvador Dali pour Homme, and Jade East. Edit… I thought I’d add another blend in, just for posterity. 4 neroli, 2 sage, 1 rose, 1 rosemary, 4 frankincense, 3 myrrh, 2 ambergris, 1 vanilla. This one was suppossed to be more Arabian / Meditteranean themed. I really like this one and the scent is much more “clear” than the previous “Floriental” I created. All the oil blends I’ve created so far don’t seem very “manly man” scents, but I was trying to go for something somewhat neutral/mysterious and let the pheromones fill out the rest. I’ll see how they do this week. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/39 "2008-06-18T08:47:04Z")
Hmm… I think I’m going to have to keep trying out 2 sprays of WAGG. It seems to really help out making small talk, and 2 sprays (25mcg) is just low enough that it doesn’t give me the “Homer Simpson” effect. TAK x2 might be worth trying, too. I’m not sure if it contribute to the woman not respecting my space at all and being a bit pushy. Maybe androstenone would have “sent her a message”, but I didn’t wear any today. BTW, I also saw a nasty sight today. I stopped at another vitamin/health food store and the clerk behind the counter was this older woman. But she looked like she was emaciated. I was totally creeped out. She must be one of those raw foodists or juicers, or maybe she had cancer but whatever it was, she was on death’s door. Just gross, like having a skeleton at the checkout. She would have looked halfway decent with some meat on her bones. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2008, 2:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297/40 "2008-06-18T14:10:46Z")
Interesting reports on Scent of EROS & WAGG buddy 🙂 Anyway happy mixing with the oils 🙂 Look forward on hearing more about how you wear them together with Pheros 😃 Well for my opinion that women that asked you to move out of the way & being a bit pushy is just plain rude if i’m you, i would tell her off. Anyway try wearing some pheros like Instant Shine or [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) together with WAGG or Scent of Eros with your oil blends buddy on your next report & then let’s see the results. Hmm, you say that clerk that is in the vitamin/health food store that you see today is **emaciated**. Can explained to me what is **emaciated**? Anyway you will get some reps from me for the reports 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/daedelus-journal/13297.md?page=3)